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Paradoxish posted:This was always going to happen, though. Greatest wealth transfer to the rich from everyone else. I kind of wonder if there is such a huge fight to keep insurance making money in the US because the people who are in power for these companies know that if they can just hold on the current bullshit system for another 2 decades at most then they will capture all of the boomer wealth.
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jeeves posted:Greatest wealth transfer to the rich from everyone else. I kind of wonder if there is such a huge fight to keep insurance making money in the US because the people who are in power for these companies know that if they can just hold on the current bullshit system for another 2 decades at most then they will capture all of the boomer wealth.
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clearly none of y'all use tinder 90% of women ages 25 - 45 include their "love to travel" and the # of "stamps in my passport" in their profile. most of their photos (and usually linked instagram) are a series of selfies in front of tourist destinations. its not a boomer thing, it won't go with them.
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Jun 24, 2019 18:51
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I've only been out of Michigan three times, twice to Ohio over 15 years ago and I've been told I was taken to Canada once as a baby too young to remember. I'm doing my part 
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Jun 24, 2019 18:56
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StabbinHobo posted:clearly none of y'all use tinder It will go with people 20+ Not by choice I expect.
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Jun 24, 2019 18:57
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StabbinHobo posted:clearly none of y'all use tinder I mean, most people who can afford to do it actually do enjoy traveling. It's one of this thread's weird quirks that so many posters insist that traveling actually sucks and no one likes it. People should take OOCC's posts as educational, because he's actually pretty representative of how defensive people will get over the idea that they aren't going to be able to travel as much anymore.
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Jun 24, 2019 18:58
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Shima Honnou posted:I've only been out of Michigan three times, twice to Ohio over 15 years ago and I've been told I was taken to Canada once as a baby too young to remember. I'm doing my part We're responsible-by-proxy for the continued existence of the big three though, sharpen that pitchfork comrade.
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Jun 24, 2019 18:58
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I don't have the luxury of such frivolous activities so whatever.
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Jun 24, 2019 19:00
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I think poo poo is gonna get super interesting when the boomers get to the age that they need assisted living to do daily living tasks but no one can really afford to give them any. Everyone loves to travel and experience new things but you don't need to go on multiple international vacations a year. The "let's all drive around Australia in a circle perpetually" is some next level Boomer poo poo. Moridin920 fucked around with this message at 19:12 on Jun 24, 2019 |
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Jun 24, 2019 19:09
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I mean honestly at this point democracy and environmentalism are not compatible, people will never support the substantial reductions in living necessary to keep the planet sustainable.
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Jun 24, 2019 19:16
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Tab8715 posted:Every boomers dream is to spend retirement traveling seeing friends, family and the rest of the world. well yeah because that sounds awesome. traveling the world for fun used to be the exclusive privilege of the extremely wealthy. traveling and seeing cool poo poo and eating neat food is fun and i don't begrudge them wanting to do that. the bullshit is that they ignore the actual cost of it.
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Jun 24, 2019 19:22
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Chuka Umana posted:I mean honestly at this point democracy and environmentalism are not compatible, people will never support the substantial reductions in living necessary to keep the planet sustainable. I’d wager most people want stop climate change. Its this minority in control is literally destroying our democracy to keep their own interests continuing.
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Jun 24, 2019 19:23
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I should've elaborated more when I said substantial reductions in living. I didn't mean we'd all have to revert to hunter gatherers or pre-modern standards of living, but we would have to evaluate some of the things we take for granted in western societies, like having huge armies, or enjoying low taxes. I honestly wouldn't mind giving away the majority of my salary if I knew it was going to helpful programs and environmental sustainability, it's just the boomers that are the problem. loving boomers.
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Tab8715 posted:I’d wager most people want stop climate change. Its this minority in control is literally destroying our democracy to keep their own interests continuing. The populations of liberal democracies want a lot of things, but if they're ever asked to make tradeoffs that involve some level of financial sacrifice (or, for that matter, the "sacrifice" of living in diverse communities), they inevitably balk. Even if we completely MMT our way through total electrification & renewables and don't raise a dime in taxes, the lifestyle changes required in denser housing & reduced mobility will be talked about as intolerable. Or not! I might be wrong!
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Admiral Ray posted:well yeah because that sounds awesome. traveling the world for fun used to be the exclusive privilege of the extremely wealthy. traveling and seeing cool poo poo and eating neat food is fun and i don't begrudge them wanting to do that. That’s the biggest thing I don’t get about this thread. There’s nothing inherently wrong with Grandpa who’s worked his whole life and saved enough for a Alaskan Cruise with his wife. I don’t get why the default assumption over travel or really any hobby that emits carbon would be “They’re a lovely rich person doing superficial things!” 
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Tab8715 posted:I’d wager most people want stop climate change. Its this minority in control is literally destroying our democracy to keep their own interests continuing. Yes, but they don't want to pay for it or make any sacrifices. "Do you care about climate change?" and "do you want to stop climate change?" are totally meaningless questions and not even worth talking about.
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Flip Yr Wig posted:The populations of liberal democracies want a lot of things, but if they're ever asked to make tradeoffs that involve some level of financial sacrifice (or, for that matter, the "sacrifice" of living in diverse communities), they inevitably balk. Even if we completely MMT our way through total electrification & renewables and don't raise a dime in taxes, the lifestyle changes required in denser housing & reduced mobility will be talked about as intolerable. Most younger generations literally want higher density housing because the single family homes aren’t practical for reasons - cost and traffic. But realtors, contractors, renters, etc. make more building, selling, etc. single family homes so they create secret political campaigns to stop any change in zoning laws.
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Jun 24, 2019 19:34
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Paradoxish posted:Yes, but they don't want to pay for it or make any sacrifices. let me tell you about gerrymandering, the Republican Party and our current POTUS.
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Jun 24, 2019 19:35
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Paradoxish posted:I mean, most people who can afford to do it actually do enjoy traveling. It's one of this thread's weird quirks that so many posters insist that traveling actually sucks and no one likes it. People should take OOCC's posts as educational, because he's actually pretty representative of how defensive people will get over the idea that they aren't going to be able to travel as much anymore. yea that's whats sent me down a solar/electric flying and boating rabbit hole the last few months. its really much farther than your armchair sky grover internet engineering expert would tell you. some examples: The Sunseeker Duo is a 2-passenger motor-glider with solar cells: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=46A01oukux0 The Silent 2 Electro is a similar powered/self-launching electric glider without the solar: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mppqfb8HpyM The Solar Stratus ... well its its own thing: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SXYQbEg5vKw
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If you want to travel jump on a containership. It'll take longer, but the marginal emissions will be near zero. Several of the lines will still let you book a stateroom.
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Chuka Umana posted:I mean honestly at this point democracy and environmentalism are not compatible, people will never support the substantial reductions in living necessary to keep the planet sustainable. I think it's more like democracy and capitalism are not compatible because despite a clear public outcry or mandate to do something the capitalists use their wealth to capture government and instead do whatever they want which is just to orient all of society and economics towards making their high score go up. I feel like except for a very vocal minority of shitheads most people do recognize disaster looming and want to do something about it but just feel powerless because they know that their vote doesn't mean dogshit actually because despite who gets elected the same puppet strings pull 99% of the politicians in office.
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Moridin920 posted:I think it's more like democracy and capitalism are not compatible because despite a clear public outcry or mandate to do something the capitalists use their wealth to capture government and instead do whatever they want which is just to orient all of society and economics towards making their high score go up. Economic externalities are a hell of a thing. And a “growth” based economy cannot go on forever. Moridin920 posted:I feel like except for a very vocal minority of shitheads most people do recognize disaster looming and want to do something about it but just feel powerless because they know that their vote doesn't mean dogshit actually because despite who gets elected the same puppet strings pull 99% of the politicians in office. Individually, our votes are meaningless but actual elections do happen and aren’t based off of one person. I get the skepticism but do you really think big oil is pumping money into cc denial for the fun of it? No, because they want John to either vote for their candidates or become confused so he stays home on Election Day. Hell this is biggest problem with cc advocates. Driving an EV, vegetarian, not flying, etc. is all well and good but real change will come from public policy. So go freaking vote.
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StabbinHobo posted:clearly none of y'all use tinder If there is one thing that might go away with the Boomers, it's the relentless optimism, denialism, and arrogance. There must be something about growing up in a golden age that makes people psychologically incapable of letting go and accepting a new and diminished status quo. The younger generations seem to be more jaded about the future and less constrained in imagining what will come and what will be necessary to deal with it. I know that those in power prefer that the different generations resent each other rather than banding together and coming for them. I still can't keep myself from hating the Boomer cohort.
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Tab8715 posted:I’d wager most people want stop climate change. Its this minority in control is literally destroying our democracy to keep their own interests continuing. lol tell me how many people would support the platform of forced non-dairy vegetarianism with one round trip intercontinental flight allowed every 20 years.
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Here's a nice paper that's been doing the rounds recently, if anybody is interested in some light reading. https://www.mdpi.com/2076-3263/9/6/251/htm Understanding the Permafrost–Hydrate System and Associated Methane Releases in the East Siberian Arctic Shelf Natalia Shakhova, Igor Semiletov, and Evgeny Chuvilin Spoiler: things are not better than you thought they might be.
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plushpuffin posted:I know that those in power prefer that the different generations resent each other rather than banding together and coming for them.
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Notorious R.I.M. posted:lol tell me how many people would support the platform of forced non-dairy vegetarianism with one round trip intercontinental flight allowed every 20 years. We haven’t decided any of this... at all but as someone who travels all the time, loves seafood, the beach, etc. I’d vote for this person.
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nankeen posted:i have high hopes for the collapse of the aged care system, there has to come a point where they can't blame millennials for it anymore Judging by the latest flu season I'm surprised no one is advocating getting sick and then hanging out with older voters at this point.
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jeeves posted:It's amazing how boomers are going to blow all of their money and leave nothing to their kids. Like, not even as in like-- climate. I'm talking pure cash. I just want to retire (yeah, right) and ride my bicycle from cafe to cafe (after I relocate to a sane nation). 
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The capitalist class haven't realized how much money could be unlocked through infrastructure rebuilding and energy efficiency like redoing power grids. Denser housing as well could produce hundreds of billions of dollars worth of construction, we'd have to completely transform America's urban landscape and push more people toward's the city center.
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Chuka Umana posted:The capitalist class haven't realized how much money could be unlocked through infrastructure rebuilding and energy efficiency like redoing power grids. You’d have winners and loser in this scenario and that’s the hold up. Realtors are now selling $250k condos instead of $500k homes. It goes on and on...
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nankeen posted:i have high hopes for the collapse of the aged care system, there has to come a point where they can't blame millennials for it anymore Millennials Aren't Having Kids. Here's Why That's A Problem For Baby Boomer Real Estate & Retirement Boomers stuck with houses that won't sell (especially homes along the coast or in flood plains) will most definitely blame millennials for playing video games instead of getting jobs, paying taxes, and buying their property when they're ready to move into retirement homes.
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Moridin920 posted:I think poo poo is gonna get super interesting when the boomers get to the age that they need assisted living to do daily living tasks but no one can really afford to give them any. That's when we'll pass a sweeping series of ironclad filial support laws. We won't have money for the survival domes as a result, but at least some folks will get rich off of fully automated luxury end of life care.
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Insanite posted:That's when we'll pass a sweeping series of ironclad filial support laws. There's a novel by Nancy Kress called Maximum Light, in a future with declining birthrates. The setting is very similar to that of Children of Men. One scene from the book has a small child carrying am old person doll, to condition her to care for her elders when she grows up.
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I already told my parents that I'll return them to the sea when they are ready to retire.
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plushpuffin posted:Millennials Aren't Having Kids. Here's Why That's A Problem For Baby Boomer Real Estate & Retirement quote:Boomer Seller: The town has great schools. 
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Admiral Ray posted:I already told my parents that I'll return them to the sea when they are ready to retire. Will warming seas be able to accept as many parents as they did in the past?
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Admiral Ray posted:I already told my parents that I'll return them to the sea when they are ready to retire.
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plushpuffin posted:Millennials Aren't Having Kids. Here's Why That's A Problem For Baby Boomer Real Estate & Retirement I'm trying to convince my parents to sell their rental property in Virginia Beach while it still has value. My mother wants me to ~inherit it~ so I can sell it at the current valuation and not what *they* bought it for way back in the early 80s. No matter what I do I can't convince either of them that waiting is not in their best interest. I made the mistake of sending my mother a link that showed the house would still technically be above ground up to a five foot sea rise, but she chose to completely ignore the fact that when the sea level rises, so does the water table, and when the soil is effectively *sand*, as it is in that area, your supposedly-still-above-ground house has probably sunk several feet into what's likely become marshland, and the roads are likely impassible. Boomers are like the adults of Derry in "It." They can't/won't see the clown because it won't kill *them*, and have been corrupted to the point of aiding It.
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Admiral Ray posted:well yeah because that sounds awesome. traveling the world for fun used to be the exclusive privilege of the extremely wealthy. traveling and seeing cool poo poo and eating neat food is fun and i don't begrudge them wanting to do that. the bullshit is that they ignore the actual cost of it. Wasn't there a paper saying basicly all of human endeavor is a net loss? We are not good at anything but grave robbing.
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