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EthanSteele posted:I'd use the term dissonant rather than incoherent. No washer/dryer because that's how it is in most of the world. It's unfurnished because Misato is an alcoholic slob that spends 90% of her time at work because she's fueled entirely by vengeance and beer. The reason it doesn't have anything fancy is because Nerv spends all the money on the critical stuff. I think Ritsuko even calls out that Misato is living in a lovely apartment by choice instead of one of the fancier ones on site. The school thing I think is a double whammy of keeping up morale by pretending stuff can be normal and that for everyone but the top of Nerv and SEELE in theory the kids are gonna win and one day it will be over and they can live normal lives so education is important. This is from a page back or so but I wanted to chime in I totally agree with this and it's one of my favorite things about rewatching the show as an adult now. The general vibe and sense of the world at large is palpable and downright oppressive; it's absolutely one of my favorite post-apocalyptic settings Anywho, I'm usually not too interested in discussing things like LORE and whatnot, but I just finished watching Rebuild 3 and I can't help but be curious about in-universe stuff. I'm sure there must be supplementary materials or somesuch that has all of this laid out, but I'm curious what everyone's thoughts are on what's going on if you remove all of the paranormal and go to a 30,000 foot view Bear with me here but what if you're a, say, an alien living their life on mars, sitting down to your morning coffee and reading the newspaper about what's going on on Earth, with no emotional buy-in or anything. What is it like? Are angels--including the original Adam and Lillith--some sort of alien bio-weapon that's meant to prime planets for colonization by turning all of its existing life into goo? And there was a fuckup and the bioweapon ended up actually creating humanity and WHOOPS more angels need to go in and restart the goo phase to reset their fuckup?
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BiggestOrangeTree posted:23DC spoils some imagery from EoE and even uses animation from it so I'm on the fence about them. Watch the DC versions, this far in spoilers don’t matter anymore if they ever did at all.
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Waffles Inc. posted:This is from a page back or so but I wanted to chime in According to the manga (and this translation I found is rough) this is the official explanation on the origin of Adam, Litith and the Angels:    Not mentioned here is the name for the creators of Adam and Litith is "The First Ancestral Race." And you can read here for behind the scenes info of dubious cannon: https://wiki.evageeks.org/Classified_Information_(Translation) Hell, the manga is also "dubious cannon" since Hideki Anno disavowed it, apparently. That said, when I was a kid, I always took the events as a weird religious apocalypse scenario. That this was some trial humanity had to overcome -- the angels -- and that, once destroyed, mankind would be allowed to continue. And that mankind was in the clear when they defeated the last angel, but Seele and Gendo had two conflicting desires on how to use the power of the Angels and doomed mankind in the process. What can I say? I saw Death/Rebirth and End of Evangelion with the sound on low because I didn't want my parents or my brother to hear because I didn't want the former to come in and the later wouldn't lend me his DVDs because he though this show was too adult for me. And then, when it aired on Adult Swim, I had to keep the TV on low to avoid waking up my parents. I did that alot in Middle School, honestly. It was good practice for sneaking out
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Waffles Inc. posted:This is from a page back or so but I wanted to chime in I think its from one of a videogame where there's talk of a progenitor alien race that seed life all over the place via the use of Black "eggs" and White "eggs". One produces life that evolves and generally creates civilizations like humanity (fruit of knowledge), the other produces fantastical immortal one offs that don't do civilization, but are incredibly powerful individually and they're all completely unique lifeforms (fruit of life). Ideally the two should never meet but some bureaucracy gently caress up somewhere meant that Earth got both types of egg. Each egg comes with a weapon to destroy itself/the other type and that Lance of Longinus is the show is one of those. They're meant to be the failsafe where the creature kills the other with the weapon and destroy all of its descendants, hence 2nd Impact when humanity stabbed the joker at the pole and half of humanity dying. Angels are just doing their thing by trying to get to the other egg creature and kill it so they can live on the planet. I dunno how accurate that is or how "canon" it's considered and obviously none of it matters at all.
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Covok posted:Spoiler tags, dude. I planned on watching that.
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EthanSteele posted:I think its from one of a videogame where there's talk of a progenitor alien race that seed life all over the place via the use of Black "eggs" and White "eggs". One produces life that evolves and generally creates civilizations like humanity (fruit of knowledge), the other produces fantastical immortal one offs that don't do civilization, but are incredibly powerful individually and they're all completely unique lifeforms (fruit of life). Ideally the two should never meet but some bureaucracy gently caress up somewhere meant that Earth got both types of egg. Each egg comes with a weapon to destroy itself/the other type and that Lance of Longinus is the show is one of those. They're meant to be the failsafe where the creature kills the other with the weapon and destroy all of its descendants, hence 2nd Impact when humanity stabbed the joker at the pole and half of humanity dying. Angels are just doing their thing by trying to get to the other egg creature and kill it so they can live on the planet. I dunno how accurate that is or how "canon" it's considered and obviously none of it matters at all. Haha alrighty I can dig it So the alien progenitor race "army" and "navy" are tasked with colonizing worlds, but the army does so by creating entire civilizations and the navy does it by just creating one big fuckoff thing and the two accidentally sent a colonizing egg to the same planet and womp womp we all suffer for it
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There's also info from the semi-canonical game we get the progenitor race info from that the doomed civilization basically reincarnates through the seeds of life -- they uploaded their souls to the Room of Guf and inhabit either the giant Angels or individual humans. So gives those big suckers some extra reason for being.
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sis just got done watching the series + EoE. been hearing bits and pieces coming from the living room and watched the whole instrumentality sequence of EoE with her. it's insane how thought provoking this series still is to this day. Ever since she started watching it, and given that its present in the current culture for obvious reasons, i really can't stop thinking about it. This reminds me of how much i regret not having watched the series earlier, i think i was 21. i should do a full rewatch soon to get it out of my system and get on the dread-mill of waiting for 4.0
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basically, the eva backstory is real dumb so is all of eva really now that i think about it fun show though
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Jun 30, 2019 22:26
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None of that stuff is in the tv show and movie so it doesn't matter 
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Jun 30, 2019 22:40
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All of the extended universe stuff is monumentally stupid and directly contradicts poo poo in the actual show, so just ignore it.
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Jun 30, 2019 22:45
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the background lore of Evangelion was in flux during the show's production like IIRC there are notes / series bible stuff from the early episodes where the Evangelions themselves were created by an ancient human civilization, Nausicaa-style, among other differences, despite this not only contradicting the extended universe crap but later episodes of the show as well
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Jun 30, 2019 22:47
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it doesn't matter, but helps silence the nagging "Why" in my brain so i accept it
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Jun 30, 2019 22:47
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Yes agreed the backstory stuff is dumb but it’s also fun to think about and talk about in this, the Eva thread 
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Jun 30, 2019 22:48
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Waffles Inc. posted:Yes agreed the backstory stuff is dumb but it’s also fun to think about and talk about in this, the Eva thread Fair enough. I certainly wouldn't consider any of it remotely canon, though, contrary to what Evageeks says.
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I dunno, I think it kind of waters down the whole mystery of the show.
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I consider that part of the Dead Sea scrolls that SEELE had tucked away, and that everything we get in the show is trickled out if half leaks and inference. Makes it better this way and gives plausible wiggle room to "nah that's just wrong who know why"
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Beefstew posted:All of the extended universe stuff is monumentally stupid and directly contradicts poo poo in the actual show, so just ignore it. the actual show's lore is also monumentally stupid like evangelion is kind of a loving mess overall, which is part of what makes it interesting
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I want Anno to make an Evangelion show that is basically an anthology series set in the universe that tells a bunch of self-contained stories of randos having to cope with this tenuously outlined world full of conspiracies and ancient Aliens they could call it Neo-Eva Q
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JUST ONCE i would like to be able to enjoy an afternoon in the park without cosmic horrors descending on the city and turning my dog into sunny d
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The lore was never the point
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Babysitter Super Sleuth posted:The lore was never the point you can't just write it all off when the show spends a significant amount of time technobabbling about it though it's there, it's important and it's really stupid
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Yinlock posted:you can't just write it all off when the show spends a significant amount of time technobabbling about it though I can do what I want, you're not my dad
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So the Eva remake movies. Are those even worth watching?
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Origami Dali posted:So the Eva remake movies. Are those even worth watching? It's not really a remake, and yes.
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Origami Dali posted:So the Eva remake movies. Are those even worth watching? You can (not) watch
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Origami Dali posted:So the Eva remake movies. Are those even worth watching? Covok posted:You can (not) rewatch
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The Rebuilds are absolutely worth watching, if only because Anno & Tsurumaki keep everything a lot tighter. The issue of go-nowhere lore is less of a problem, likely because Tsurumaki is incredibly adept at doing the Gainax bildungsroman without cruft (see FLCL, Diebuster,) something even Anno respects.
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FilthyImp posted:The artwork is gorgeous so yes. It might have been hard to get my attention. I'm saying that you should watch. I just wanted to make a pun with the movie titles.
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Yinlock posted:you can't just write it all off when the show spends a significant amount of time technobabbling about it though Like what, in particular? I think a lot of it is just atmospheric, and for that it works very well.
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Yeah. To me any of the more complicated stuff is just there to convey "there is a big conspiracy that everyone's being kept in the dark about", anything actually important to the show is explained or heavily hinted at.
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Yinlock posted:JUST ONCE i would like to be able to enjoy an afternoon in the park without cosmic horrors descending on the city and turning my dog into sunny d I don't think the seele folks would be super fond of becoming tang and merging with all of humanity and also a bunch of animals and insects and whatnot
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Yinlock posted:you can't just write it all off when the show spends a significant amount of time technobabbling about it though I dunno I think you're looking at it the wrong way.
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Personally speaking I like dogs who find clues and solve mysteries. If Asta or Scooby Doo were in NGE I think things would have gone way differently.
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Raxivace posted:If Asta or Scooby Doo were in NGE I think things would have gone way differently.
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FilthyImp posted:My brother you need some Scooby-Doo: Mystery Incorporated in your life stat. Scooby Doo getting weirdly experimental in the last decade has been a loving trip.
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FilthyImp posted:My brother you need some Scooby-Doo: Mystery Incorporated in your life stat. Coincidentally, in regards to my earlier endorsement of VRV for having Nadesico and RahXephon, Boomerang is also part of that bundle so it actually has all the Scooby-Doo shows.
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Raxivace posted:Personally speaking I like dogs who find clues and solve mysteries. Scooby Doo was 100% Kaji's offscreen sidekick.
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shame on an IGA posted:Scooby Doo was 100% Kaji's offscreen sidekick. Turns out Kaji's college nickname was Shaggy the whole time 
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Agronox posted:Like what, in particular? I think a lot of it is just atmospheric, and for that it works very well. and again it's still a vital part of the plot despite how stupid it is the point i'm trying to make is that evangelion isn't some meticulously-crafted work, it's a fuckin mess that clearly shifts directions entirely more than once because the director was losing his loving mind while making it and that's fine! Origami Dali posted:So the Eva remake movies. Are those even worth watching? two of them are worth a watch anyway and 3.0 if you want to see a man write himself into the most insane corner possible Yinlock fucked around with this message at 03:03 on Jul 1, 2019 |
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