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moths posted:Orks presumably speak all languages because it never occurred to them that they don't.
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moths posted:Orks presumably speak all languages because it never occurred to them that they don't. In the warp-addled, brain-freezing, absurdly violent, batshit world that is 40k, this... works. Zoggin' ell, dis 'umie lern'd da langwij. 'Ee muss be a warboss or sumfin. Chuck da git back an let 'im get 'is mates an we c'n 'ave a proppa barney! 'Ope ee don't get an evil eye or sumfin' doh. Oi told ya ee wuz a scary git!
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Jul 10, 2019 08:24
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moths posted:Orks presumably speak all languages because it never occurred to them that they don't. quoting this mostly so I can look at it in the future and nod at how good an idea it is.
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Jul 10, 2019 11:59
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There was a bit in Baneblade where a weirdboy 'talks' in a tech priest's head and it sounds normal but when he opens his mouth it comes out as ork cockney. Probably hard to enunciate in gothic with teef. Thinking about it a Solomon Kane story had basically the same scene with an African medicine man.
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Jul 10, 2019 12:05
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I remember that being pretty cool alright. Baneblade was a good book. I need to get the sequel sometime.
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Jul 10, 2019 12:45
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I was enjoying Dead Sky Black Sun until the author decided to focus on his Chaos Marines and they're so boring  e: Onyx is so special he controls his demon, ooooo StrixNebulosa fucked around with this message at 13:19 on Jul 10, 2019 |
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Jul 10, 2019 13:15
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StrixNebulosa posted:I was enjoying Dead Sky Black Sun until the author decided to focus on his Chaos Marines and they're so boring Ugh... those books are so meh I forgot about all those character. I literally only remember "TOOT TOOT! All aboard the daemon train out of nowhere" and "skinless marines and womb factories". I don't even remember if Ultramarine Genericus McCodex makes it back. Guyver posted:There was a bit in Baneblade where a weirdboy 'talks' in a tech priest's head and it sounds normal but when he opens his mouth it comes out as ork cockney. Probably hard to enunciate in gothic with teef. Why do I have a weird memory of some short story involving a captured ork who somehow talks an administratum working into becoming a violent rear end in a top hat and beating the poo poo out of his boss? Must have been in this thread somewhere or one of those fan-fiction stories. EDIT: My brain is telling me "The Littlest WarBoss" was the title, but that sounds more like a fever dream Dog_Meat fucked around with this message at 13:39 on Jul 10, 2019 |
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Jul 10, 2019 13:36
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Dog_Meat posted:Ugh... those books are so meh I forgot about all those character. I literally only remember "TOOT TOOT! All aboard the daemon train out of nowhere" and "skinless marines and womb factories". I don't even remember if Ultramarine Genericus McCodex makes it back. Don't worry, he survives - he's got at least one sequel. I think. I refuse to read it, because after this I am taking a break from space marines. More complaints: - more cameos from Storm of Iron, and they're all more badass and interesting than Uriel, which is ticking me off because this is the first book where Uriel's actually had some interesting character moments and naturally he gets outshone immediately. - stop writing action scenes please I swear to god they're so boring - i'm still reading Nightlords and ADB's Chaos Marines could eat these guys for lunch Some praise: + the horror is incredible. You can tell McNeill is having a blast writing about horrific skin factories and demonic mutants and so on. His writing always gets a boost when he's writing about something awful, and you could see it even in his first short story with the crucified space marines on the tanks. + Uriel and Pasanius doubting each other and the emperor and everything is the best character work these two have ever had. Passy carving the double-headed eagle into his chest to atone for his magic healing cyber-arm is great, Uriel brooding while trudging through hell is great, it's great. If this book were just Uriel and Passy tromping through Hell getting a guided tour it would easily be one of the best horror novels in the Black Library. As it is, between bouts of excellence I'm yawning.
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Jul 10, 2019 14:13
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I remember reading somewhere, or in this thread for that part, that McNeill's forte is anything involving horror or less than human things. Probably why he's so good for AdMech.
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Jul 10, 2019 14:38
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Cooked Auto posted:I remember reading somewhere, or in this thread for that part, that McNeill's forte is anything involving horror or less than human things. Probably why he's so good for AdMech. A Thousand Sons wasn't scary and didn't really involve less than human things much, but is still fantastic.
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Jul 10, 2019 15:30
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 Uriel just got stitched into a demon womb, on page 666.
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Jul 10, 2019 15:40
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StrixNebulosa posted:- i'm still reading Nightlords and ADB's Chaos Marines could eat these guys for lunch In fairness to Unicorn Ventricle, those Chaos Marines have almost 10,000 years more combat experience and are pure blood first founding marines who fought in the Heresy on Terra and fought alongside Primarchs. They're also goddam hillarious. StrixNebulosa posted:Some praise: Now you've mentioned it, I do recall some of that being suitably grim. There was a scene in one of the earlier books (I had the omnibus) where a dark eldar has made a "flesh sculpture" out of someone. Which is described as him basically being perfectly vivisected so that all of his body parts are cut but still connected as if you're looking at a Haynes manual of a human. And kept alive...  EDIT: Now that memories are returning, I also seem to recall Uriel taking ridiculous amounts of punishment in that story. I know astartes are drat near invulnerable with all the genetic doohickeys and redundancy, but I remember thinking that if this keeps up he'll be in a dreadnaught Dog_Meat fucked around with this message at 16:00 on Jul 10, 2019 |
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Jul 10, 2019 15:56
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Quote. Edit. Yay
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Jul 10, 2019 15:59
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Dog_Meat posted:In fairness to Unicorn Ventricle, those Chaos Marines have almost 10,000 years more combat experience and are pure blood first founding marines who fought in the Heresy on Terra and fought alongside Primarchs. They're also goddam hillarious. Not really, due to Warp temporal shenanigans, every warband has experienced time in a different manner. For First Claw and their buddies, the Heresy was only a couple centuries ago.
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Jul 10, 2019 16:07
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Uriel birthing himself by violently squirming free
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Jul 10, 2019 16:16
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StrixNebulosa posted:Uriel birthing himself by violently squirming free For some reason your avatar seems to fit really well with my recollection of that book
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Jul 10, 2019 16:25
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Reading Dark Imperium and it's ok? The half with Guilliman's thoughts and opinions and the wider state of the Galaxy is interesting, but the other half just seems to be the starter box battles in novel form. Is the sequel worth picking up?
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Jul 10, 2019 16:31
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Muppetjedi posted:Reading Dark Imperium and it's ok? The half with Guilliman's thoughts and opinions and the wider state of the Galaxy is interesting, but the other half just seems to be the starter box battles in novel form. Is the sequel worth picking up? I found Dark Imperium quite lugubrious. Lots of meticulous descriptions of the minutiae of 40k life; I tuned out halfway through and never went back to it. Count me in as another interested in the sequel if it picks up!
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Jul 10, 2019 16:59
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Muppetjedi posted:Reading Dark Imperium and it's ok? The half with Guilliman's thoughts and opinions and the wider state of the Galaxy is interesting, but the other half just seems to be the starter box battles in novel form. Is the sequel worth picking up? This is an excellent way to describe that book, spot on. I stopped half way through as I got fed up with it even though guillimans thoughts & views were gripping, reading the 3rd paragraph about the new type of marine with his new type of gun and how awesome it was got really old really quick.
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Jul 10, 2019 17:05
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rocket_Magnet posted:This is an excellent way to describe that book, spot on. I stopped half way through as I got fed up with it even though guillimans thoughts & views were gripping, reading the 3rd paragraph about the new type of marine with his new type of gun and how awesome it was got really old really quick. I just tuned out every part that was an obvious advertisement for little plastic men and it was ok. Really, though, the only combat scene that even stood out was that one chaos marine trying to go prone under a repulsor tank and getting squeezed out like a tube of toothpaste.
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Jul 10, 2019 22:24
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Is Vengeful Spirit by McNeill any good? It's next in line in my readthrough of the Horus heresy but I'm trying to avoid the stinkers.
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Jul 10, 2019 22:27
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Fairly average but at least is not as aggresively bad as some of the other turds in the series.
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Jul 10, 2019 22:40
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The only thing i remember from Vengeful Spirit is they have a Horus/Loken ESB "I am your Father" moment but other than that it's a blur
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Jul 10, 2019 23:25
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On a similar note, I know Outcast Dead is considered not great but how 'not' is its greatness? Like is it Fulgrim level or Battle for the Abyss-tier?
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Fallen Hamprince posted:On a similar note, I know Outcast Dead is considered not great but how 'not' is its greatness? Like is it Fulgrim level or Battle for the Abyss-tier? All in all I didn't think it was THAT bad. Certainly not Battle for the Abyss levels of grox shite. I think my problems with it were a lovely weaboo character and a few power level inconsistencies with a world eater and custode (inconsistencies in 40k?!). It's not too bad, has some ok characters and a glimpse of the Thunderwarriors. It just...didn't really need to happen. And the cover looks like a REALLY bad rogue trader era setup For reference, I thought Abyss was utterly dire and Fulgrim was actually OK but really ham-fisted Dog_Meat fucked around with this message at 17:06 on Jul 11, 2019 |
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Jul 11, 2019 12:22
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Fallen Hamprince posted:On a similar note, I know Outcast Dead is considered not great but how 'not' is its greatness? Like is it Fulgrim level or Battle for the Abyss-tier? It's just INCREDIBLY unnecessary as a story.
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Jul 11, 2019 12:39
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Maybe the Thunderwarriors will come in useful for a plot in the future. As of now its just pointless
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Jul 11, 2019 13:11
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The emperor was totally going to planned obsolescence the navigators, primarchs and all the space marines thunderwarrior style after conquering the universe. He was all about the humies and space marines and primarchs were made wholly unassimilable from birth into human society both oh a mental and physical level with very few exceptions.
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Jul 11, 2019 13:29
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I like outcast dead as a stand alone and it was a super cool look at the assassins but its super unnecessary and is a perfect airplane novel
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Jul 11, 2019 13:57
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Dog_Meat posted:... custode (in 40k?!)... You should read Vaults of Terra and Watchers of the Throne.
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Jul 11, 2019 14:50
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StrixNebulosa posted:
I can only imagine McNeill fist pumping and going "Yes, nailed it!" when he managed to pull that off.
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Jul 11, 2019 16:03
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Azubah posted:You should read Vaults of Terra and Watchers of the Throne. I have. Loved them  I meant that I shouldn't be surprised that a WH40k (well, 30k) book has inconsistencies in power levels according to plot. Outcast Dead spoiler - The bit I'm going on about is when the captive, unarmoured World Eater rips an armed, armoured custode apart to escape. I know Custodes have been expanded on more since then so it's a little unfair to complain TOO much, but these are the goddam custodes. Literally head and shoulders above the astartes, created from the Emperor himself, his personal bodyguard and guys that are sent to keep an eye on errant primarchs (First Heretic). They should be to a space marine what a marine is to a human. But Angry Dude kills him with his bare hands
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Jul 11, 2019 16:24
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It's just bad writing, don't sweat it too much.
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Jul 11, 2019 16:41
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He was just that angry, ok?
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Jul 11, 2019 16:57
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I've not read it, but, I'll just use the excuse of the Custodian was super arrogant, caught completely off guard and paid the price.
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Jul 11, 2019 19:43
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I’ve never really bought the ‘Custodes are super space marines’ thing. Even some of the fluff points out that the in-universe legend of them being to space marines what space marines are to regular humans is impossible, because that would imply an entire legion of primarchs. It makes more sense for them to be more like top-tier regular marines with different training and better equipment to suit their role as bodyguards.
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Jul 11, 2019 22:36
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But aren't they literally "The genetics of the Primarchs, but with intense conditioning for unconditional loyalty to the Emperor"?
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Jul 11, 2019 22:46
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Randalor posted:But aren't they literally "The genetics of the Primarchs, but with intense conditioning for unconditional loyalty to the Emperor"? They’re definitely nowhere near Primarch-level, Horus and bros. were a one-off deal that the Emperor had to do all kinds of Extra Heretical poo poo to make. If the Emperor could manufacture an army of mindlessly loyal footsoldiers as strong a Primarchs there wouldn’t be any need for the legions, the Custodes would be enough to conquer the Galaxy with Imperial Army backup. Fallen Hamprince fucked around with this message at 23:00 on Jul 11, 2019 |
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Jul 11, 2019 22:57
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Every time the primarchs fight it seems less like two guys having it out and more like two forces of nature having beef. Like normal people can barely stand to be in the presence of a primarch at first, custodes and space marines are just kind of unnerving. To me it just seems like custodes are marines that big E had a hand in every detail of creation. Not just throwing some new organs in a kid and pumping him full of super steroids and hoping for the best.
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I think it was First heretic (although I could be hugely mistaken and I'm just trying to attibute more stuff to ADB) that nailed the power levels of the Custodes the best. One on one, a Custodes will tear an Astartes in half. Ten on ten it's even. One hundred on one hundred and the Astartes wafflestomp the boys in gold. Astartes work best as a team, Custodes are individual heroes. I'd be down with named character bias here though. And IIRC this was a World Eater clear-headed enough to be locked up and interrogated, not just put down on sight like a mad dog and a clear headed World Eater is a terrifying thing. With an ambush as well, I get it. It'd be like opening a door expecting to see a bunch of monkeys chained up, but instead there's an angel dust snorting chipanzee on the other side with nothing to lose. You can have a gun, but that chimp is closer, angrier, and filled to they eyeballs with Florida Powder. There are so many other parts of Outcast Dead I hated that I'll allow it.
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