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Blockhouse posted:Not every person in a dark suit is All For One or are they
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Jul 20, 2019 05:06
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Blockhouse posted:Not every person in a dark suit is All For One That's just what All For One would say.
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Jul 20, 2019 05:09
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Blockhouse posted:Not every person in a dark suit is All For One Yeah, he had a stranglehold on crime. The man had minions to do his bidding.
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Jul 20, 2019 05:21
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Horikoshi known for just throwing random red herrings out there like a bad writer
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Jul 20, 2019 05:56
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RareAcumen posted:Yeah, he had a stranglehold on crime. The man had minions to do his bidding. True, but he probably hated One for All enough to rock up in person to gently caress up their family.
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Jul 20, 2019 06:17
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RareAcumen posted:Yeah, he had a stranglehold on crime. The man had minions to do his bidding. For having such a stranglehold on crime all he gave shiggy so far is a teleporting mist dude who needs to wear a corset, a bunch of jail birds, a family doctor that talks more poo poo than helps the league, and a clingy giant If stain didn't happen to rampage when he did shiggy wouldn't have the crew he has now
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Jul 20, 2019 06:26
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drjuggalo posted:For having such a stranglehold on crime all he gave shiggy so far is a teleporting mist dude who needs to wear a corset, a bunch of jail birds, a family doctor that talks more poo poo than helps the league, and a clingy giant In the present day, AfO doesn't have a stranglehold on crime anymore since All Might destroyed his organization and left him for dead. He doesn't have the infinite resources and a personal loyalist army he did at one point. Honestly, if All Might hadn't smashed his empire 6 years ago, it's doubtful he'd even be putting the time and effort into Shigaraki that he is, since most of the purpose of this exercise is to torture and punish All Might for revenge.
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Jul 20, 2019 06:35
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Wasn't that kind of the point, to make him build his own network? And giving him a recruiter towards that end does help out too. Edit: Plus, it's not like having access to all those Nomu wasn't a pretty big benefit. Shiggy just kind of blew his load on that fairly early.
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Jul 20, 2019 06:36
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Wait, wouldn't All For One have taken in Tenko before he and his empire was taken down by All Might?
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Jul 20, 2019 07:06
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Yeah if I have a read on the situation Nana left, fought All for One and lost. All for One spent years tracking down her family to spite her and her successor, All Might, who at the time was out of the country or just starting to fight the AfO organisation. After Shiggy does in his family All for One picks him up and poisons him against society, raising him and then a few years later All Might returns, wrecks AfO’s organisation and face, which Shigaraki presumably watches in horror as his mentor gets pasted. Thus leading to modern Shigiraki’s initial fixation on All Might.
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Jul 20, 2019 07:06
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My understanding was that he only sought out ways to spite All Might after he was defeated and the empire that he had spent so long building up was all but crushed.
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Jul 20, 2019 07:19
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wokow6 posted:Wait, wouldn't All For One have taken in Tenko before he and his empire was taken down by All Might? He did. All Might fought AfO and crushed his empire a little over six years ago. Since we see AfO take in Shigaraki as a child, and Shigaraki is currently about 20, Shigaraki would have been under AfO's care for at least several years. That said, I don't think AfO decided on the "groom Shigaraki into my personal avenger" until after All Might smashed him.
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Jul 20, 2019 08:32
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SKULL.GIF posted:Later that chapter he gets what seems like a static shock focused on his hand, with a black background and electric jolts in the background. Looks kinda like when AFO was manipulating quirks during Kamino. The shock happens after he throws the ball, though, and you can see the ball crumbling a bit. Also didn't AFO's Forced Quirk Activation include black and red tendrils?
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Jul 20, 2019 13:01
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Shadowlyger posted:The shock happens after he throws the ball, though, and you can see the ball crumbling a bit. Forced Quirk Activation, sure, Quirk Transfer though?
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Jul 20, 2019 13:42
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Radish posted:Ahh I missed that bit during his flashback. Seems to be implied that normally when quirks manifest in young children they're significantly weaker and grow stronger as they become adults. See l'il Bakugo's tiny hand explosions.
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Jul 20, 2019 13:52
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Hidingo Kojimba posted:Seems to be implied that normally when quirks manifest in young children they're significantly weaker and grow stronger as they become adults. See l'il Bakugo's tiny hand explosions. Exactly. If this wasn't the case then I could easily see Bakugo seriously loving up Deku during one of the many times they fought as a kid.
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Jul 20, 2019 13:55
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They've made the muscle analogy throughout the story. Starting strength has been on the rise, but overall they still need to train it up to get it to the point of utility.
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Jul 20, 2019 14:57
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And god knows Katsuki was getting plenty of practice in before UA.
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Jul 20, 2019 15:01
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Blockhouse posted:Not every person in a dark suit is All For One Walking into a Men's Wearhouse and having a massive heart attack.
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Jul 20, 2019 15:01
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Hidingo Kojimba posted:Seems to be implied that normally when quirks manifest in young children they're significantly weaker and grow stronger as they become adults. See l'il Bakugo's tiny hand explosions. They're also said that Quirks can undergo mutation when the user is extremely stressed or traumatized
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Jul 20, 2019 15:02
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Shadowlyger posted:The shock happens after he throws the ball, though, and you can see the ball crumbling a bit. I actually missed the tiny cracks on the ball, I'm glad, that's better than AFO giving it to him from a nearby bush.
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Jul 20, 2019 15:03
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I could see Shigaraki's quirk being a "power storing" one. The reason he was itchy and felt awful inside (other than, you know, the abuse) was because the Decay was building up inside him, which is why it all came out with such a big effect.
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Jul 20, 2019 15:43
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Terper posted:I could see Shigaraki's quirk being a "power storing" one. The reason he was itchy and felt awful inside (other than, you know, the abuse) was because the Decay was building up inside him, which is why it all came out with such a big effect. I saw the itchiness as more of a manifestation of his dark desires. Every time he felt angry and wanted to lash out and kill, he felt itchy. I think it carries over into adulthood to, since Shigaraki almost always scratches himself when he's frustrated or annoyed. I don't think it's a quirk (ahoi) of Decay, and more of Shigaraki
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Jul 20, 2019 16:24
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Onmi posted:I saw the itchiness as more of a manifestation of his dark desires. Every time he felt angry and wanted to lash out and kill, he felt itchy. I think it carries over into adulthood to, since Shigaraki almost always scratches himself when he's frustrated or annoyed. I don't think it's a quirk (ahoi) of Decay, and more of Shigaraki
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Jul 20, 2019 18:30
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Zomborgon posted:They've made the muscle analogy throughout the story. Starting strength has been on the rise, but overall they still need to train it up to get it to the point of utility. This is true, but it should be noted that in and of itself doesn't necessarily prove that Shigaraki was tampered with. Some quirks just seem to start off ludicrously powerful. Eri isn't even a full generation removed from Shigaraki and her childhood quirk manifestation was strong enough to delete people from the timeline.
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Jul 20, 2019 21:17
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I will once more point out that the one character we know had an insanely powerful mutant quirk and the one character that we have reason to believe has an insanely powerful mutant quirk also have some uncommon features in common
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Jul 20, 2019 22:27
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Kanos posted:This is true, but it should be noted that in and of itself doesn't necessarily prove that Shigaraki was tampered with. Some quirks just seem to start off ludicrously powerful. Eri isn't even a full generation removed from Shigaraki and her childhood quirk manifestation was strong enough to delete people from the timeline. Fair enough. I was primarily commenting on the state of general parenting fears rather than this unusual case.
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Jul 20, 2019 22:47
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Zomborgon posted:Fair enough. I was primarily commenting on the state of general parenting fears rather than this unusual case. All it takes is one freakishly powerful child to make everyone terrified of their baby suddenly murdering the family. 
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Jul 20, 2019 23:04
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that's just a generic shocked lightning manga effect. bnha readers always read too much into irrelevant things..
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Jul 20, 2019 23:44
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Well, this is something interesting I saw posted elsewhere:   
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Jul 20, 2019 23:58
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Onmi posted:Forced Quirk Activation, sure, Quirk Transfer though? That requires direct contact.
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Jul 21, 2019 06:22
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I should point out that forced quirk activation probably would not work on shigaraki. The trigger for his decay is "touch with all 5 fingers" and nothing has suggested that he can choose not to decay something he touches with all 5 fingers, so forced quirk activation will very likely do nothing.
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Jul 21, 2019 06:31
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BardoTheConsumer posted:I should point out that forced quirk activation probably would not work on shigaraki. The trigger for his decay is "touch with all 5 fingers" and nothing has suggested that he can choose not to decay something he touches with all 5 fingers, so forced quirk activation will very likely do nothing. Most people following this line of thought are assuming his quirk was inactive/dormant and forced quirk activation made it active in general to let events take their course, rather than a specific "decay right now" thing.
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Jul 21, 2019 07:33
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M_Gargantua posted:Its the classic joker "everyone is just one bad day away..." reason that resonates so well when done right. The thing about the first time he said that is it occurs in a story where he horrifically brutalizes Jim Gordon as hard as it's possible and.....Jim doesn't break. He actually does that a few times over the years, with the same results. The point of that statement is it's the justification of a sad loser for how broken and petty they are. It's not actually true.
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Jul 21, 2019 10:32
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It's also not really relevant to Shigaraki anyway, because he had a whole lot more than one bad day leading to his becoming a villain. He faced daily abuse from his father, and his "support system" was people he cared about consoling him after the fact and telling him not to cry and stuff. Then he accidentally murdered most of his family, got hit in the face with gardening shears by his father, and deliberately attacked him, then wound up homeless for an indeterminate length of time before being found by history's greatest monster, who deliberately fostered all his negative feelings and pushed the idea that, yes, he is a monster meant to destroy everything, going so far as to give the kid a new name that means something like "death grip" and "mourning (the dead)" while handing over the remains of his dead family as a reminder of what he did. This all happened when he was five years old. Like, someone brought up from five on by All For One probably wouldn't have stood much of a chance anyway, but then everything before that... Tangent, this post arguing that Shigaraki's really the deuteragonist of the comic seemed pretty good to me. I don't quite agree with how the very end feels like it's trying to ignore the awful things he's done, though maybe it's just how it's being said that's bothering me, but overall the points regarding the parallels between Shigaraki and Deku and such make sense. It also got me thinking about the themes of the comic and got me back towards thinking that Shigaraki is going to be "saved" at some point, if not entirely "redeemed", despite how much he's done. After Shoto, Eri, Gentle, and so on, if the series just shrugs and goes "Shigaraki's circumstances mean he's an irredeemable fuckwit and nothing can be done about that, oh well", it'd be something of a reversal of its message up until now. People have been taking Gran Torino and Tsukauchi telling All Might that Shigaraki can't be saved as them being realistic, and possibly even a sort of message from Horikoshi to the audience, but I'm starting to think he actually wants us to side with All Might in that exchange. This is a shonen series, after all, and as dark as it's been getting it's still pretty idealistic overall, and has been even in the darkest arcs prior.
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Jul 21, 2019 11:53
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A52--FKUQgU
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Jul 21, 2019 12:16
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Kanos posted:He did. All Might fought AfO and crushed his empire a little over six years ago. Since we see AfO take in Shigaraki as a child, and Shigaraki is currently about 20, Shigaraki would have been under AfO's care for at least several years. That said, I don't think AfO decided on the "groom Shigaraki into my personal avenger" until after All Might smashed him. Considering how long All For One was in charge, it probably took All Might years to tear apart his empire before finally confronting All For One. Shigaraki was probably a long term backup plan in case this All Might situation went poorly for AfO.
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Jul 21, 2019 13:21
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Also, as All For One himself says, he's the kind of guy to do that sort of thing (take in a child and twist him into a monster solely due to his relation to someone he hates) and probably would have enjoyed doing it even without the All Might aspect.
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Jul 21, 2019 13:27
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Kanos posted:Most people following this line of thought are assuming his quirk was inactive/dormant and forced quirk activation made it active in general to let events take their course, rather than a specific "decay right now" thing. Fair, but I actually dont see any evidence that the forced quirk activation can even activate a dormant quirk. It looks more like meat puppetry than anything else.
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Jul 21, 2019 13:37
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Roland Jones posted:Tangent, this post arguing that Shigaraki's really the deuteragonist of the comic seemed pretty good to me. I don't quite agree with how the very end feels like it's trying to ignore the awful things he's done, though maybe it's just how it's being said that's bothering me, but overall the points regarding the parallels between Shigaraki and Deku and such make sense. It also got me thinking about the themes of the comic and got me back towards thinking that Shigaraki is going to be "saved" at some point, if not entirely "redeemed", despite how much he's done. After Shoto, Eri, Gentle, and so on, if the series just shrugs and goes "Shigaraki's circumstances mean he's an irredeemable fuckwit and nothing can be done about that, oh well", it'd be something of a reversal of its message up until now. People have been taking Gran Torino and Tsukauchi telling All Might that Shigaraki can't be saved as them being realistic, and possibly even a sort of message from Horikoshi to the audience, but I'm starting to think he actually wants us to side with All Might in that exchange. This is a shonen series, after all, and as dark as it's been getting it's still pretty idealistic overall, and has been even in the darkest arcs prior. Building onto this, after reading the latest chapter I'm convinced that it's going to be Shigaraki, not Deku, who ultimately kills All For One. The parallels in this hypothetical are too strong: both Kotaro and AFO are father figures to Shigaraki, and both of them are ultimately responsible for the torment and unending pain that Shigaraki experiences, first as Tenko in his childhood literally unable to withstand being at home without scratching himself to the point of disfigurement, and then as Shigaraki unable to exist in Quirk Society without an overwhelming desire to destroy it all and tear it down. Shimura Kotaro was the patriarch of the household, and everyone followed his orders -- and, as we know, All For One is the hidden patriarch of Quirk Society with nearly everything about it being able to be traced back to his orders or his influence. If the only thing that could quell Tenko's painful existence was killing Kotaro, then the only thing that could satisfy Shigaraki is killing All For One. On top of that, we've already seen twice that One For All isn't capable of finishing off All For One -- first, implicitly, when All Might disfigured All For One and lost his internal organs in the process, and, second, explicitly, at Kamino with United States of Smash not actually killing AFO despite All Might pouring all of (what remains of) his strength into it. Sure, it could be a "Heroes don't kill" ethos, but we're shown that AFO is packed to the brim with durability Quirks, and for some reason I don't think All Might was holding back at Kamino. What can Kill AFO? Perhaps a Quirk that disintegrates everything the user touches, without limit? Some people might be concerned that this would redeem or justify Shigaraki, but I don't think so -- just like when Tenko finally kills Kotaro after disintegrating the rest of his family, it's shown to be clearly an evil, gleeful act, and it seems likely that Shigaraki destroying AFO would be similar.
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