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That's exactly how I imagine Rothfuss. Sitting at the side of a pool, shirt still on, taking selfies from unflattering angles and hitting send on some weird-rear end tweets.
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Those glasses are a choice. Someone made those. Someone thought they were a good enough idea to sell them. And then Pat Rothfuss thought they were a good enough idea to buy and wear them.
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Jul 22, 2019 02:57
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Dirt Road Junglist posted:Those glasses are a choice. A choice of three parts, if you will.
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Jul 22, 2019 04:35
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See, this is why I don't believe in body positivity This man should not be proud of anything about his physical aspect
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Jul 22, 2019 15:02
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The woman taking his picture looks skinny. Good on him for that at least.
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Jul 22, 2019 23:08
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That's his
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I'm not even sure what "Birthday Boyfriend" is supposed to mean, and I think that's for the best
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Jul 23, 2019 02:27
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Sham bam bamina! posted:That's his Ah, so that is how he knows that every woman alive wants to bang him for his smell.
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Jul 23, 2019 02:47
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rothfuss looks like he wears a fanny pack and there is always some cheese in it
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Patware posted:rothfuss looks like he wears a fanny pack and there is always some cheese in it Cheese is likely the most innocuous thing is his pack. Asking con girls to follow him up to his room for ice cream does not sound like someone who's just looking for pleasant chat.
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Jul 23, 2019 04:07
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the cheese is only for him to get ready
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Jul 23, 2019 04:13
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He has a girlfriend and he still can’t bring himself to comb his ugly beard?
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Jul 23, 2019 05:02
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Why would he? He's already got a girlfriend.
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Jul 23, 2019 06:58
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specifically, one who apparently already puts up with the beard
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Jul 23, 2019 07:52
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At least they’re dating each other and not inflicting themselves on anyone else I guess
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Jul 23, 2019 08:04
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HIJK posted:At least they’re dating each other and not inflicting themselves on anyone else I guess Got bad news for you about infliction based on the con stuff
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Sham bam bamina! posted:That's his It gets better, there's a half page long rant in the first book about having kids while unmarried is actually the real way to handle True Love because Kvothe's parents did it, and is no way refusing to commit to the woman who bore your children. I was not impressed.
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TheIncredulousHulk posted:Got bad news for you about infliction based on the con stuff Do you mean the stuff posted a few pages ago? I wasn't sure if that was serious or not, the levels of irony are hard to penetrate  TheGreatEvilKing posted:It gets better, there's a half page long rant in the first book about having kids while unmarried is actually the real way to handle True Love because Kvothe's parents did it, and is no way refusing to commit to the woman who bore your children. I remember that, my eyes glazed over when I read it. It sure was a derail.
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Just finished both audiobooks. Holy crap is this guy longwinded, and holy crap does he not know how to end a book. Both of them were just like 'okay that's all for now byeeee' like I'd just binged twenty episodes of the Kvothe show and they had a mid season break. No, not even that, because that implies some kind of climax happened and now there's a cliff hanger. Here, it's more like he ran out of pages and then just decided to stop. Wise Man's Fear especially (or maybe because I just finished it) was just a series of short stories jammed together. There were a handful of common threads running through them, but they were literal single sentences of 'oh yeah the Chandrian whatever came through here or something'. How are we on the second book of a three book series without covering any of the plot? Why does he keep introducing mysteries and characters? There are entire scenes, hours and hours long, that could be excised without affecting anything of the themes or plot within the novels. Where was his editor!? That being said, there's lots of CONCEPTS I like, and even individual characters. Even though the Adem were a pastiche of ninja tropes, I broadly liked that whole section. The hand talking and language was interesting enough that I wouldn't have minded a book about it, but then again I basically got one because he spent a hundred pages there for no reason. It was just another in a series of digressions he took while telling the story. He tries so hard to sound cool but all I could think of was that he must sound like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a6Dc7W6jXCo I'm certain that all of this has been covered exhaustively in this thread, but wow that was a waste of time. Luckily he'll never finish the last book so I won't have to read it.
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Dog Kisser posted:How are we on the second book of a three book series without covering any of the plot? Welcome to why he hasn't written anything in 8 years.
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Dog Kisser posted:Just finished both audiobooks. Holy crap is this guy longwinded, and holy crap does he not know how to end a book. Both of them were just like 'okay that's all for now byeeee' like I'd just binged twenty episodes of the Kvothe show and they had a mid season break. No, not even that, because that implies some kind of climax happened and now there's a cliff hanger. Here, it's more like he ran out of pages and then just decided to stop. No, both books are literally just random stories he wrote about Kvothe that he duct-taped together. Like the part where he killed the fake Edema Ruh was a slightly edited version of the short story that was the first thing he ever wrote about Kvothe, which is why it reads completely differently from the rest of the books and tries to play up the mysterious of him being a potential creeper rapist the book after he got drugged with a poison that took away his self-restraint and it turned out he didn't rape someone on it because he literally is unable to rape anyone. Other inserted short stories are well, you named some, but also the entire Tarbean section, which is why he takes a bath and magically converts from malnourished orphan to 15 year old Adonis who could not be more perfect right before he heads to Hogwarts..
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Why on earth would anyone think it was a good idea to cobble together a bunch of short stories into a novel. That’s the baffling part. You can’t just convert them into chapters, that’s ridiculous. Come on now Rothfuss
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Dog Kisser posted:That being said, there's lots of CONCEPTS I like, and even individual characters. Even though the Adem were a pastiche of ninja tropes, I broadly liked that whole section. The hand talking and language was interesting enough that I wouldn't have minded a book about it, but then again I basically got one because he spent a hundred pages there for no reason. It was just another in a series of digressions he took while telling the story. He tries so hard to sound cool but all I could think of was that he must sound like this: If you like this sort of stuff (the Adem evokes a poor man's version of the Fremen in Dune to me) then a similar story that I actually enjoyed was The Faded Sun Trilogy (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Faded_Sun_Trilogy) in C.J. Cherryh's Alliance-Union Universe.
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HIJK posted:Why on earth would anyone think it was a good idea to cobble together a bunch of short stories into a novel. That’s the baffling part. You can’t just convert them into chapters, that’s ridiculous. Come on now Rothfuss That's actually pretty common and used to be even more common back in the days when science fiction / fantasy magazines full of short stories were more popular. Zelazny had at least 2 (Dilvish, the Damned and My Name is Legion), Bradbury had at least 2 (The Martian Chronicles and Fahrenheit 451), etc. Note the reference to the work that Rothfuss didn't do very well: quote:The name comes from the modifications that the author needs to make in the original texts to make them fit together as though they were a novel. Foreshadowing of events from the later stories may be jammed into an early chapter of the fix-up, and character development may be interleaved throughout the book. Contradictions and inconsistencies between episodes are usually worked out.
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ulmont posted:That's actually pretty common and used to be even more common back in the days when science fiction / fantasy magazines full of short stories were more popular. Zelazny had at least 2 (Dilvish, the Damned and My Name is Legion), Bradbury had at least 2 (The Martian Chronicles and Fahrenheit 451), etc. It actually would've worked fine if Rothfart had just framed the story differently, like having different storytellers telling tales of Kvothe so the inconsistencies and stuff made sense, though it would've been hard to include the Chandrian meta-plot. But when it's all stories told by yourself, about yourself, you'd expect each story to have roughly the same biases and types of errors. poo poo even if the Chronicler had basically been telling the various tales he'd collected to Kvothe and then Kvothe could be like "well ackshually".
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A better example of that is The Warlords Chronicles by Bernard Cornwell. It's the story of King Arthur as told by one of his chief warlords. His princess friend is always like, "And then, you surely met this man who you dueled, because honor demanded a rematch!" and he's like, "No, he died making GBS threads his rear end out from dysentery, 15 years later, I never saw him again."
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Again it's real real important to understanding why these books are the way they are to remember that Kvothe is his D&D character and the structure of the story has much more in common with a D&D campaign than with a novel. The quote-unquote worldbuilding bits like overly elaborate currency systems is poo poo you'd find laid out in tables within a DM guide for an adventure. Elements get constantly discarded because there's only so much carryover between sessions. Belated discoveries of "oh you find a sign of the Chandrian" is just something a DM throws in at the end of an area or a set-piece to justify the players' presence there narratively even if the real reason is because the DM just thought it would be cool to have them do. Even things that make no character sense like Felurian can be explained by Kvothe rolling a nat 20 on his gently caress Check
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Huh, so the books can be read more as a mash up of a DM putting together a bunch of half baked lore in their self written campaign and their "avatar" character who is the focus of all the epic stories. It kind of makes more sense now.
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He is bad. Also he looks EXACTLY as I was expecting him to
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Dog Kisser posted:He is bad. Also he looks EXACTLY as I was expecting him to He's like the ur-image of the fantasy author.
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ulmont posted:That's actually pretty common and used to be even more common back in the days when science fiction / fantasy magazines full of short stories were more popular. Zelazny had at least 2 (Dilvish, the Damned and My Name is Legion), Bradbury had at least 2 (The Martian Chronicles and Fahrenheit 451), etc. Still seems like a bad practice but I learned something new today!
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HIJK posted:Still seems like a bad practice but I learned something new today! Like a lot of writing techniques, it's probably not good or bad in and of itself, its how you do it. Though I think if you're just taking old short stories and recycling them that's bad, they should probably be redrafted at a minimum. Hyperion is arguably the same sort of deal, a series of short stories told by separate characters, but all the tales relate to why the pilgrims are on Hyperion, and it harkens back to The Canterbury Tales, which itself was influenced by the Decameron. The "group of interwoven short stories" as a larger narrative can be really cool and well done. I mean in a sense that's what any epic series really is, each individual characters story could probably be isolated and told alone - though in that case each one is probably a novel or two in and of itself, rather than a short story.
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But Malazan is also a D&D campaign and while I think the writing is atrocious and can't get past the first 1.2 books, they undeniably have characters and plots.
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Nothing really precludes a story from being good just because it's based on a D&D campaign but it needs to be a novel first and a recreation of said campaign second. You can't just copy poo poo over 1:1 and expect it to function dramatically
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HIJK posted:Still seems like a bad practice but I learned something new today! Like all writing techniques, if it's done well, you don't notice it. By which I mean if done well you won't realize the novel is a fix-up. If it's done badly, welp.
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eXXon posted:But Malazan is also a D&D campaign and while I think the writing is atrocious and can't get past the first 1.2 books, they undeniably have characters and plots. I thought Malazan was a random GURPS campaign? Eventually, Dwarf Fortress is going end up creating better Fantasy novels than most authors. Hell it probably already does with the current worldgen and legend, you'd just have to edit and elaborate.
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Evil Fluffy posted:I thought Malazan was a random GURPS campaign? Started as AD&D!
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Anne Rice is literally more competent than Rothfuss.
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Atlas Hugged posted:Anne Rice is literally more competent than Rothfuss. Deep cut. But true.
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