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PoontifexMacksimus posted:which one CDS. This feels like it was ages go already.
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Kurtofan posted:Macron want to stop migrants from getting medical help reimbursed, including psychiatric help
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Kurtofan posted:Good thing we didnt vote for the fash lol 
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I both have pity and giggle about CDS's fate since Assunção Cristas was the prototypical model of the "reasonable centrist" that US and UK mainstream kind of championed over everything ("She's really upset about forest fires! She once in a while champions something on the LGBTQ spectrum! But she's also very much about market solutions, a good balance against the left crazies!!") but then the same press ignored to outright poo poo on her when she tried going on talk shows, to the point she was on the largest morning show at the moment before the Prime Minister and there was little to no promotion about it or tried to do actual centre solutions like advocating for further investment on our National Healthcare System or vote along with a gender ID law that nearly everyone on the parliament voted along other than PSD, being painted as this sudden infection of the left on her. She really managed to piss off the press by predicting a major decline of PSD a couple years ago so she no longer has the graces of the press that isn't either online or on cable talkshows. She was also the former environmental minister on the 2010's IMF intervention government, which means that she could have secured an interesting position of being able to provide commentary on the the environmental dossiers proposed by the left-wing parties and the European Union. Nooope let's just relegate it to a sudden interview where she just adds that as an aside instead of well, having more commentary than "Where is money for your wacky Green New Deal? WHERE IS IT?!! HUH?!" mixed with "Ok, poor people? Starve yourselfs. Everyone? Ok change to everyone driving Teslas and using pens made of cork." Now she's stuck between PSD and what is essentially a bunch of assholes passive aggressively going "Ok why are you stupid Portuguese voting on big parties instead of small ones. Small ones, that I won't name. Ones that care about cultural marxism."
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Ghost Leviathan posted:Liberals are the vanguard of fascists. ya they're literally just polite fascists
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CDS entire function and reason to exist was to keep Paulo Portas employed in government, but then he got out played by the much better grifter Antonio Costa. Knowing his political career was going into another desert Portas decided to call it quits and the whole party is collapsing, and that's the story of CDS.
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Krankenstyle posted:ya they're literally just polite fascists Just read any twitter replies about gilet jaunes lol, they're not even polite
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thx btw kurtofan for the posts about france, sounds sucky 
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Electronico6 posted:CDS entire function and reason to exist was to keep Paulo Portas employed in government, but then he got out played by the much better grifter Antonio Costa. Knowing his political career was going into another desert Portas decided to call it quits and the whole party is collapsing, and that's the story of CDS. I'm amazed Cristas hasn't just snapped on camera at this point.
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Why call Costas a better grifter than say Portas or freakin Sócrates? I mean, sure, my perspective of him is in a best case scenario he's benign, given what we have to deal with in major party politics here.
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Because Socrates and Portas could never get PCP and BE approval.
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Electronico6 posted:Because Socrates and Portas could never get PCP and BE approval. Speaking of PT politics, what's the deal with Livre? I voted for them last time because from all smaller parties popping up they seemed like a good deterrent. Plus their figurehead at the time wrote some good stuff.
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Grifter is not exactly the term, but he just might be the most talented used car salesman in the world. He's certainly running rings around every other politician right now. I don't think there's any other guy that could have done the geringonça. Dude not only had the necessary rapport with BE and PCP, he also had the complete trust from the capitalists to pull it off.that takes talent. He's kinda poo poo when it comes to the actual governing part of the job, especially when dealing with crisis events , but if the latest reaction to the truckers strike is any indication, he might be learning. He's gonna steamroll everyone in the October elections, the only doubt is if PS will get a majority or not. I hope not, because BE and PCP kinda kept his worse impulses in check.
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Honest Thief posted:Yeah, that's a good point. But not sure if that makes him better or worse tbh. They are DOA. They are kinda poo poo because they think intelectual arguments win in politics. Also I love that the geringonça broke the right's brain so much, a whole cadre of right wing parties showed up and they are all busy doing their populist front of Judeia/people's front of Judeia version. Antifa Poltergeist has issued a correction as of 10:29 on Sep 12, 2019 |
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Antifa Poltergeist posted:Livre are the hipster intelectual Lefties. Antifa Poltergeist posted:He's kinda poo poo when it comes to the actual governing part of the job, especially when dealing with crisis events , but if the latest reaction to the truckers strike is any indication, he might be learning.
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Livre still won more votes than nearly all of the "insurgent liberal" parties on the last election and that won't stop being funny as hell compared to the incredible push and placards I saw of the latter. Seriously, Rui Tavares being "Oh heavens it appears that I probably have to address the horrifying fascism coming from here without name checking the fascism apologia from my colleagues" for a few paragraphs every couple days somehow got more votes than parties that got nearly daily constant coverage and pundits constantly going "Plz vote for smaller parties you dumb plebs". Signs screaming at me on a major Lisbon exit got at least one order of magnitude of less votes. To someone who was namechecked as a Bloco da Esquerda activist by another of his colleagues, a colleague that got a minister fired for calling him a dipshit and outright printed "Actually, Jews Protest too much, so maybe Blood Libel" next to pieces whining about Corbyn Antisemitism and somehow STILL KEPT HIS JOB. Rui Tavares beat that guy's choice and plenty others. Kunster has issued a correction as of 14:13 on Sep 12, 2019 |
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I'm still not sure where the gently caress aliança and the liberal initiative get their money to buy billboards all over the place. Chega im pretty sure is being funded by the same guys that fund salvini et al.
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Antifa Poltergeist posted:I'm still not sure where the gently caress aliança and the liberal initiative get their money to buy billboards all over the place. For aliança pretty sure it’s old businessmen and bankers disgruntled with Rio and/or personal friends of Santana. Iniciativa liberal ia a bit like Livre in that it’s a theory-driven party, but instead of left-leaning europeism it seeks the mythical socially liberal fiscally conservative being, that creature that makes technocrats everywhere and João Miguel Tavares-like commentators salivate. I’m sure a hedge-fund manager/techbro or 2 are happy to give them money. Also seeing as, same as Spain’s ciudadanos, they’re an islamophobic rant away from full fash sometimes and naturally inclined to only talk rightward, if the money spread around extremist parties is channeled through a market-loving entity they would earnestly welcome it.
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Also, media blood really, really actually wanting what Rui Rio was feared to be. I sure saw a sudden change of "Oh no, Rio had poltiical propaganda that was against the Romani people, we must be against populism" to "Oh for some reason Bloco da Esquerda cares about this random minority. Salvini wants to do what. Oh, just "migrants". Pfft. Whatever". Hell, last week they tried to attack BE over them pointing out HydroElectic Dams could gently caress up water ecosystems and water supplies around the area! There's a Poligrafo piece right now trying to argue that is not the case. Oh man I don't know how my sanity is going to keep up the following weeks, what with like, the only major left wing commentator stopping during so to prevent "potential bias on reporting". While Luis Marques Mendes is happy as a clam still on his commentary space on every Sunday for "unbiased commentary".
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Kunster posted:Also, media blood really, really actually wanting what Rui Rio was feared to be. I sure saw a sudden change of "Oh no, Rio had poltiical propaganda that was against the Romani people, we must be against populism" to "Oh for some reason Bloco da Esquerda cares about this random minority. Salvini wants to do what. Oh, just "migrants". Pfft. Whatever". Honest Thief has issued a correction as of 14:45 on Sep 13, 2019 |
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Kurtofan posted:1 percent of what BRUSSELS/BERLIN (Reuters) - Germany wants to cap the European Union’s next budget for 2021-27 at 1% of the continent’s economy
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Honest Thief posted:What work did Rio did while mayor in Porto? A friend keeps citing me to check his good work there but all I recall was the debacle with the Aleixo neighbourhood and the subway. Didn't the Aleixo project fell apart because of BES imploding? He managed to not gently caress up the city accounts like his predecessors, and pissed off pinto da Costa. That's it.
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Antifa Poltergeist posted:He managed to not gently caress up the city accounts like his predecessors, and pissed off pinto da Costa. The yesterday debate between Rio and Costa reminded me why I don't usually watch them, they're painful to watch and nothing meaningful is said. I mean, I guess Rio debated accounting and he showed how much he wanted to sell the SNS.
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You can tell just how much commentators wanted that what with giving Cristas poo poo for wanting to keep that around, since that's a *hushed whispers* Bloco proposal. Luis Marques Mendes's freakout about BE being comfy, at the same time, with being called "Radical Left", but also "Oh, we're a DemSoc Party" and making a fit on how much that alienates voters hinges entirely on hoping no Portuguese person ever takes a glance at UK and US politics deeper than Portuguese coverage, which is funny as poo poo given that even I. Liberal is trying to co opt Medicare for All as being equivalent to replacing SNS with just putting everyone on ADSE.
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Why focus on ADSE though? Without knowing much about it, other than some family members of mine pay for it, why would enrolling everyone on it allow for medical insurance companies to gain ground?
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Cheap , somewhat privatized healthcare dependent on place of employment. So Portuguese Obamacare.
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Honest Thief posted:Wasn't the subway a big net loss? It was a huge clusterfuck.no one eventually cared because everyone knew that the tab would be picked up by the central government.even so , the dude left Porto city hall with a 'balanced budget" and the huge public land clusterfuck in the city resolved, so that urban construction could resume.urban development in general is bad, but it had the advantage of thousands of new affordable houses being built in a city desperately in need of some. By all accounts Rui Rio is a consumed technocrat.he would make a good* finance minister or something.hes considerably more left wing than some of the ghouls in his party.hes still a neoliberal tecnocrat.
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Honest Thief posted:Why focus on ADSE though? Without knowing much about it, other than some family members of mine pay for it, why would enrolling everyone on it allow for medical insurance companies to gain ground? Even the Hayek addled brains of IL don't want to kill the SNS, they just want to make it small enough to not matter.The objective is to dilute bargaining power, because if you have millions of users using different insurance schemes, and you weaken the national health service, then suddenly all the private healthcare providers don't have to negotiate with a gigantic entity that represents 10 million users. Also to make health care negotiation a bigger part of wage negotiations. Morons that look at the healthcare system of the US and say "yes, I'll have some of that" should be immediately laughed out of the conversion, the room and from life itself.
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Legislative elections are on Sunday, with still a battle of the press trying to throw everything at the socialist party majority and rewriting op-eds on how its evil that the socialist leader might have a secret army faction loyal to him and then how silly he is for not reacting to it and then how populist and stupid he is for not reacting to the news being bullshit. Portuguese Tories kinda warming up to Rio, after years of wondering if he was a populist or a wimp. Networks still really mad at Bloco da Esquerda , to the point of wanting a coalition with PCP and PAN despite that one being the 3rd most voted on party. CDS? Founder died, so expect a few "We should vote for them even if they got the brain bug of not wanting to sell off the National Healthcare Service" pieces. Alianca and I. Liberal wanting to see the US to Portugal, stil have network time and coversge despite having less votes than Livre, a party whose founder left his sole media presence on a paper to not influence votes until next week. Notable policies of them? Huuuuhhhh.... hmmm oh I remember them being anti-tech-DRM. That's a positive , even if explaining to people about John Deere Tractor DRM might be a headache when there's still "Lootboxes are good you pussies" pieces being ran on papers of record.
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IL has a lot of policies, unfortunately they are copy pasted from Cato or the heritage Foundation papers, so they are either libertarian wet dreams or unconstitutional, often both.also they claim to be fully costed, only they have simple math errors in them, despite everyone on their leadership having economics degrees. I can't stress this enough, there's like 3 economists in this country that have good math foundations in their work, Louça, bagão Félix and Duarte Alves, the rest is just absolute poo poo. Keeping with the theme of Portugal being 10 years behind the rest of the world, IL are the Ron Paul libertarians, and they either gonna flame out hard or get a couple of seats in parliament, and I don't know which would be funnier.
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cargo cult posted:are portugese white
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The Portuguese are on a situation that they can juggle between as this former imperial power that has class and power to their name and in a way are seen as white, but also this plucky immigrant community that can't be quite considered to be "European" what with the major percentage in African colonies, India and Brazil, which leads to them being propped up to scold other immigrant communities namely in French and British politics. Yes this means that we didn't have enough self-crit to not be utterly flattered by Marine Le Pen or to not understand why having Cristiano Ronaldo having a major flattering interview with Piers Morgan makes him look like poo poo. https://twitter.com/Vinncent/status/1180847367865720833 Oh yeah, legislative elections are today, with votes being counted as I type this out: PS kept the majority of votes, but not enough to have a majority government. They might have to go do another coalition, and with Bloco on third place nearing 9.5% votes, the idea of a future geringonça might not be true with them rejecting a deal unless several compromises are made. Hence why the press was wondering about a coalition with the Communist Party (Right now berating tv for making people feeble for not voting more) and PAN, which went from 1 to 4 people on parliament, despite vilification and desperate attempts from the press at sparking a cultural war because One University, One, has cut out beef consumption and thus We must devote tv time to every other university's barbeque having meat on it and making this all about Personal Choice. https://twitter.com/Vinncent/status/1180976262560587776 PSD! Portuguese Tories are around a quarter of the votes, recently have jettisoned the idea that they're a right wing party and attempting to find this mythical center. Interesting route for a party whose leader went from "He was involved in Romani-hating!" to "He was involved in Romani-hating, which is a tumblr term coined by Bloco da Esquerda." Possibly getting power from increasing concessions from labor unions and a returning migrant community that saw the national healthcare system and lost teacher wages negotiated on Madeira at least, peeing all over the idea that the Luso-Venezuelan block would mean we should get a CSD or Initiativa Liberal or Chega uprisin- Oh yeah Initiativa Liberal managed to get one person on government today. Expect "What is this plucky new upstart going to do here" and slightly more coverage of their stuff, but not as baby-fied as the PAN coverage. Will IL have enough power to scream at CDS to go consider US Healthcare system poo poo? Do not lose the next episode because we won't. https://twitter.com/SexoGratweeto/status/1180972475645079552 CDS's leader is going to stop being the leader of her party, despite doing everything to be the prototypical favourite on the commentariat and getting shat on or ignored over here. I feel a bit bad about her but that's what you get when you take earnest advice from Luis Marques Mendes. Votes are still being counted, and this is what we'll have to handle for the next 4 years. Both CHEGA and Partido Livre got one person in! And that's done. So way more leftward than the previous one, but also with a certain recognition of chud-types on the form of Chega, if IL considers doing a coalition with the remnants of CDS. Kunster has issued a correction as of 01:13 on Oct 7, 2019 |
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