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Maarak posted:Bright having to explain why he gave the Nahel Argama to Beecha would have been nice to see. Considering it was basically Federation policy to go "yeah, send the child soldiers in to deal with this" in ZZ, it was probably allowed from on high.
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Kanos posted:Considering it was basically Federation policy to go "yeah, send the child soldiers in to deal with this" in ZZ, it was probably allowed from on high. Also, Bright was pretty much done with giving anything resembling a gently caress at that point, so I kind of doubt he'd bother to attend any kind of hearing.
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I assume the deal with the furry village is that GBN's emergent-AI issues have been spreading undetected, and now entire communities of NPCs are self-aware.
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Oct 12, 2019 08:37
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Darth Walrus posted:I assume the deal with the furry village is that GBN's emergent-AI issues have been spreading undetected, and now entire communities of NPCs are self-aware. That's not how it worked at all though. Sarah was a bunch of floating point errors in various subsystems that somehow glitched their way into sentience, and what was killing the game by the end was all of her was squatting in the active memory of a massive cloud network designed to handle thousands of game actions and network activity simultaneously. And her memory footprint was just getting bigger and bigger because, well, Sarah was a living being with new experiences with every passing second. All of which is actually rooted in real computer science, memory-usage-wise at least, (and also why the whole "we stuck her in a tiny Gunpla that's somehow alive" is an astoundingly stupid resolution). That's not something that can be compartmentalized down to "well there's entire communities of them now".
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Oct 12, 2019 08:43
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I like the cast more than the old series and now there's an actual ongoing plot instead of a bunch of kids loving around for no reason so that's a plus.
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Oct 12, 2019 15:39
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chiasaur11 posted:Also, Bright was pretty much done with giving anything resembling a gently caress at that point, so I kind of doubt he'd bother to attend any kind of hearing. I mean, given what happens in Hathaway's Flash...
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Neddy Seagoon posted:That's not how it worked at all though. Sarah was a bunch of floating point errors in various subsystems that somehow glitched their way into sentience, and what was killing the game by the end was all of her was squatting in the active memory of a massive cloud network designed to handle thousands of game actions and network activity simultaneously. And her memory footprint was just getting bigger and bigger because, well, Sarah was a living being with new experiences with every passing second. All of which is actually rooted in real computer science, memory-usage-wise at least, (and also why the whole "we stuck her in a tiny Gunpla that's somehow alive" is an astoundingly stupid resolution). That's not something that can be compartmentalized down to "well there's entire communities of them now". They did just say the servers had an upgrade so maybe there is more memory for it to happen. 100% the girl the lead is searching for is an AI though
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SatoshiMiwa posted:They did just say the servers had an upgrade so maybe there is more memory for it to happen. Some of her dialogue sounded like an AI, but I wonder if it's a red herring - there's a lot of parallels between her and Hinata, the protagonist's childhood friend, and I wonder if we might have an MMO Junkie situation on our hands here (no, not a situation where the director turns out to be a Nazi, the other kind).
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Neddy Seagoon posted:That's not how it worked at all though. Sarah was a bunch of floating point errors in various subsystems that somehow glitched their way into sentience, and what was killing the game by the end was all of her was squatting in the active memory of a massive cloud network designed to handle thousands of game actions and network activity simultaneously. And her memory footprint was just getting bigger and bigger because, well, Sarah was a living being with new experiences with every passing second. All of which is actually rooted in real computer science, memory-usage-wise at least, (and also why the whole "we stuck her in a tiny Gunpla that's somehow alive" is an astoundingly stupid resolution). That's not something that can be compartmentalized down to "well there's entire communities of them now". This time the AI is running (and using the resources of) every NPC in the game, a friendly version of Agent Smith in the third Matrix movie.
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amigolupus posted:Speaking of burgers, I'm disappointed as hell in Re Rise for going with this instead: At the Gundam Cafe the burger is the Sleggarburger and not Bright's and its a travesty.
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Darth Walrus posted:Some of her dialogue sounded like an AI, but I wonder if it's a red herring - there's a lot of parallels between her and Hinata, the protagonist's childhood friend, and I wonder if we might have an MMO Junkie situation on our hands here (no, not a situation where the director turns out to be a Nazi, the other kind). Hang on what's this about MMO Junkie
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EthanSteele posted:At the Gundam Cafe the burger is the Sleggarburger and not Bright's and its a travesty. That's not the most upsetting thing at the Gundam Cafe https://twitter.com/TomAznable/status/1183053900250800128?s=20
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The Gundam cafe employees also do a Sieg Zeon at you when you leave which is a bit uh
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Oct 12, 2019 21:29
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I assume their meat is only cooked one way: charred.
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Oct 12, 2019 21:38
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chumbler posted:I assume their meat is only cooked one way: charred. 
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Zore posted:The Gundam cafe employees also do a Sieg Zeon at you when you leave which is a bit uh I'm pretty sure the proper response there is "Zeon is exhausted!" (Going in for the whole speech would probably take too much of everyone's time.)
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Caphi posted:Hang on what's this about MMO Junkie The director turned out to be an actual, no-fooling Nazi and got shitcanned from the industry. drat shame, really, it was an excellent adaptation of a very cute manga.
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Oct 12, 2019 23:14
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How many people even know the full Revill speech? I sure as hell don't know it beyond that quip, while I'm much more familiar with Gihren's Nuremberg rally.
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Arcsquad12 posted:How many people even know the full Revill speech? I sure as hell don't know it beyond that quip, while I'm much more familiar with Gihren's Nuremberg rally. It's not on the show, unlike Gihren's speech, which doesn't help. That said... General Revil posted:Fellow Earth Federation citizens! I appeal to you all. Zeon is exhausted! It is low on troops! Low on ships, weapons, and even ammunition! Why then should we surrender? Dear fellow citizens, our true enemy is no longer Zeon but our own weak leaders. Hiding behind some notion of "absolute democracy", they are reduced to absolute indecision. Why should we the survivors of this horrible war, entrust them with the power to make decisions for us!? (Notice how Revil spends almost as much time dunking on his bosses as he spends on insulting Gihren. Revil's great.)
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Be sure to order the Dub Rau Club, which comes with an inch thick layer of delicious ham.
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jackhunter64 posted:Be sure to order the Dub Rau Club, which comes with an inch thick layer of delicious ham. And a side of all the scenery.
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chiasaur11 posted:It's not on the show, unlike Gihren's speech, which doesn't help. That said... Where did this speech actually come from? I've never seen any source material that has the whole speech.
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Droyer posted:Where did this speech actually come from? I've never seen any source material that has the whole speech. Apparently, it's from the novel. I could be misinformed, but that's what everything I've looked up says.
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Gihren's speech is more memorable both because it was actually animated, and, for me at least, the dub actor pretty much nailed it.
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Plastic_Gargoyle posted:Gihren's speech is more memorable both because it was actually animated, and, for me at least, the dub actor pretty much nailed it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZTlmbcxEV0k ... even if the years have certainly done a number on his voice, old man Banjo Ginga still can sound fairly hot-blooded https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VaCpbwkNR0w
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Wark Say posted:I don't know if you're referring to the OG Japanese or to Doug Stone, but the crazy thing? Funnily enough, the guy who voiced Gihren in the Ocean dub is actually a Japanese guy who does English voiceover, Hiro Kanagawa. As with Michael Kopsa's Char, it's really a shame we couldn't get them in more than just 0079 and CCA for the latter, as they're both excellent.
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Michael Kopsa as Char is silky smooth and I really hate hearing Char with a different voice
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the gundam cafe was really boring, but i get the feeling that's true of every themed cafe - overpriced themed mediocre food. the neatest thing i probably got were two scoops of ice cream that were meant to represent the banshee and unicorn, otherwise i just had a coffee and got stood up for 1 hour and uh it's kind of wack to sit through every gundam op ever released as your only company
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Merilan posted:the gundam cafe was really boring, but i get the feeling that's true of every themed cafe - overpriced themed mediocre food. the neatest thing i probably got were two scoops of ice cream that were meant to represent the banshee and unicorn, otherwise i just had a coffee and got stood up for 1 hour and uh Obviously, you didn't know the secret password. If you did, you could go to the back room and participate in an anti-Federation conspiracy as part of the Anti Earth Union Group. But no. You just had to go and leave your soul bound by gravity. (Speaking of gravity, it's interesting to go back to forums and blogs talking about Gundam before IBO came out bring up how disappointing it is that late show everyone's always flying around. Iron Blooded Orphans really feels like the show that a lot of people were asking for, which makes it kind of funny how some of the same places doing the complaining didn't like it either.)
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Droyer posted:I mean at the end of IBO everyone is flying around? Flying is the default method of movement in space, which is where most Gundams tend to end. MSG, Zeta, ZZ, CCA, Unicorn, Wing, G Gundam, Seed, 00, Build Fighters... final battles all take place in space. chiasaur11 posted:Obviously, you didn't know the secret password. So I find it funny that Gundam grogs are complaining about flying.
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Droyer posted:I mean at the end of IBO everyone is flying around? Eh, not really. Only the Bael can continuously get off the ground under gravity, and that's more of a low hover. We never really lose proper ground battles with terrain effects like we do in, say, SEED.
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Droyer posted:I mean at the end of IBO everyone is flying around? I mean, sorta? There's boost dashing, but the movement dynamics are closer to the skates in VOTOMs or early Code Geass than proper flight, and that's been in play since the start. Mobile Suits in IBO can boost along slightly above the ground and make some pretty impressive jumps, but they're still generally bound by gravity, unlike the high end suits in 00, Wing, SEED, AGE, X, and Turn A. It keeps the ground battles feeling different than the space ones.
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chiasaur11 posted:Apparently, it's from the novel. I could be misinformed, but that's what everything I've looked up says. Page 90 of the English translation. Just looked it up in my copy.
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Shinjobi posted:Michael Kopsa as Char is silky smooth and I really hate hearing Char with a different voice There hasn't really been a bad Char dub (except Steve Blum, he doesn't fit at all). The Blue Water Zeta dub guy is still good at doing mentor stuff and his Dakar speech is good. Keith Silverstein is an excellent voice actor when he's given proper direction, as shown in Unicorn and The Origin, but he plays Char/Frontal more as a genuinely suave playboy rather than as a broken human being adopting his natural charisma affect to hide his anger. When Silverstein doesn't have good voice direction you get memes like "Do you get to the Cloud District very often? Ah, what am I saying? Of course you don't." Bethesda needs to hire a new voiceover director. Arc Hammer fucked around with this message at 21:51 on Oct 13, 2019 |
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Arcsquad12 posted:There hasn't really been a bad Char dub (except Steve Blum, he doesn't fit at all). The Blue Water Zeta dub guy is still good at doing mentor stuff and his Dakar speech is good. Keith Silverstein is an excellent voice actor when he's given proper direction, as shown in Unicorn and The Origin, but he plays Char/Frontal more as a genuinely suave playboy rather than that charisma being mostly an affect to hide his anger. When Silverstein doesn't have good voice direction you get memes like "Do you get to the Cloud District very often? Ah, what am I saying? Of course you don't." Holy poo poo I read that in Silverstein's voice...
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To bitch about the EFSF Gihren's Greed: Menace of Axis V campaign for a moment, I do not think someone thought through the tech levels or Campaign balance. Basically, EFSF goes exactly how you'd expect, right up until you finish the Delaz fleet, because the next faction you think you'd fight would be either the Titans or AEUG. Instead the next faction you fight is Axis. Axis was absolutely not meant to be fought with an EFSF that just beat Delaz, let's analyze. The EFSF has very few events in the Delaz fleet section we have the Test Pilot Acceptance Program which gives your Chris if you didn't get her in Part 1 and it gives you Kou and Keith after 5 turns. You have the Gundam Development Project, the Naval Review, and the big one is Operation Stardust which ties into them all. Operation Stardust is a total of 16 turns from kicking off the Gundam project to the disbanding of the Albion team and recruiting Cima. So by the time you finish the Delaz Fleet it's around turn 116, maybe 120? About this level of tech, is 14 or so? Depending on how much you invest? Right... Here's Axis's tech level when they arrive.  As you can seem 0083 equipment at tech level 14-15 isn't meant to fight Tech level 22 suits. But... let's check our upcoming technology developments and see how we can advance. Let's assume we hit 16. we get the EWAC Zack, a good scouting unit, We get the Asshimar which isn't the greatest because it's earth locked but sure, we have a transformable squaddie. We have the GM II, it's cheap but it clogs the ground, we have the Hizack and the Hizack Custom, they're pretty strong, and then we pause. Because the units we should be getting around this time are Protoype Mk.II Gundam, Delta Gundam, and Mark II Gundam. In fact, we should have had a unit to fill in the gaps at the end of the Delaz conflict for us. the GM Quell and the Hazel Gundam... Those were at Tech level 14. And we didn't get the Galbalthy Beta at Tech level 15. At tech levl 17 we should be getting the Rick Dias and the Hyaku Shiki, at 18 we should get the Gaplant, Marasai and Methuss. Of them we'll only actually get the Gaplant. At 19 we should get the Nemo, but we don't, at 20 We should get the Messala, the Psycho Gundam, the Zeta Gundam and the Dijeh. We'll only ever get the Psycho and Messala. At 21 we'll get the Gabthely (an actual upgrade!) and at 22, parity with Axis we'll not-get the Nemo II, the Hyaku Shiki Ground Type and the Zeta Plus A1... we will get the Byarlant, the Bolinoak and the Zeku Ains though! And finally be able to fight Axis one on one. So... why do we miss so many units... well... because the events of Zeta haven't happened yet. And until you've sided with either the Titans or the AEUG all those units attached to those facitons are blocked of. So the Feds go through a huge essentially wasteland of actual upgrades from the end of the Delaz Conflict until they beat Axis, at which point they've probably out teched all those old suits. Upon defeating Axis, who are brutally difficult if you don't cheese the game you move on to fight... The Titans or the AEUG both of whom are fielding poo poo like the GM II or the GM Quell or in some cases, Fly Mantha's! You tech up so hard against Axis because they're a ZZ enemy, only to be thrust to fighting Start of Zeta/Pre-OYW era enemies! It feels like the factions are utterly reversed, like you're meant to choose your Law/Chaos split, and then fight Axis, or Axis shows up mid-fight, or even the AEUG/Titans show up mid-fighting Axis... but they don't. You'll have characters become Titans, but they won't split into the Titan enemy faction, unless you agree to investigate them at Blex's request and more importantly, not until you beat Axis, who's using Quebely's, Zzaz's and Doven Wolves! What this essentially means is that for basically all of Part 2 for the EFSF, you don't get any tech, until you get passed Zeta, and your reward for beating ZZ-era tech, is to get Zeta tech that you should already have. And the kicker on top of this? Is the Zeta Project, which unlocks a tonne of suits like the Ex-S Gundam and almost all Zeta tech... is loving locked behind clearing the game twice! It's miraculous how poorly thought out Part 2 is. EDIT: Here's a bit of a comparison     This is Axis Tech.   This is EFSF tech Onmi fucked around with this message at 22:12 on Oct 13, 2019 |
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Pretty rude of the new Build Divers ED to be about how the childhood friend will never have a chance because the boy she likes is obsessed with an AI.
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chumbler posted:Pretty rude of the new Build Divers ED to be about how the childhood friend will never have a chance because the boy she likes is obsessed with an AI. AI is the purest form of love.
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