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It's really hard to be the bad guys when you are literally fighting a demon plague army. Anyway It's not like Guilliman is against the imperious racist hell dystopia government you know and love he's against religious imperious racist hell dystopia government.
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He's clearly against the hell dystopian Imperium and I'm not so sure about the racism, or at the very least he's not against tight eldar booty.
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He also calls Eldrad "friend".
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Guilliman is always working everyone around him. He can't help but try to get everyone on his side at all times, it's just who he is.
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wiegieman posted:Guilliman is always working everyone around him. He can't help but try to get everyone on his side at all times, it's just who he is. Guilliman is just me playing every RPG I've ever played.
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Oct 14, 2019 15:52
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Gotta be weird being an Ultramarine. "Dads back and he's shacking up with a xenos."
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Guilliman loves the Imperium because it's the best and biggest adminstrative job out there. And G-Man loves to administrate, he's literally wired to do it.
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Oct 14, 2019 17:09
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Lmfao if youre not 100% down with some howling banshee or farseer booty
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I'm more of a striking scorpion kinda guy myself. It's a shame they don't show up more because they're basically the Predator except more pansy. Howling Banshees and Warp Spiders and Dark Reapers are the poster boy aspect warriors, with Dire Avengers being your baseline dudes in BL. Need some more mean Green mandiblaster dickheads.
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There's a whole novel with a Striking Scorpion as the main character though, so at least there's that?
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Uhm... it's by C.S. Goto though. "Character" is a bit generous.
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Arcsquad12 posted:I'm more of a striking scorpion kinda guy myself. It's a shame they don't show up more because they're basically the Predator except more pansy. Howling Banshees and Warp Spiders and Dark Reapers are the poster boy aspect warriors, with Dire Avengers being your baseline dudes in BL. Need some more mean Green mandiblaster dickheads. Valedor has a really cool Scorpion Exarch in it. Valedor spoiler: Unfortunately she gets a really heartbreaking and gruesome death during the evacuation. Honestly the most upsetting way to go I've seen so far even with all the other horrors of 40k: Trapped in a now closed wave serpent with hundreds of the tiny burrower beetles tyranids use as ammunition, seconds way from rescue. Before that though theres a lot of her and her squad lying in wait and very patiently hunting all the Lictors across the planet trying to keep the hive minds head down so to speak. She gets to strip a carnifexs face off with the mandiblasters too I think. Sharkopath fucked around with this message at 19:56 on Oct 14, 2019 |
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Arquinsiel posted:Uhm... it's by C.S. Goto though. Kill it with fire.
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Arquinsiel posted:Uhm... it's by C.S. Goto though. "Character" is a bit generous. Path of the Warrior is by Gav Thorpe though? I'm not sure what book you're thinking of. Randalor fucked around with this message at 02:19 on Oct 15, 2019 |
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Randalor posted:Path of the Warrior is by Gav Thorpe though? I'm not sure what book you're thinking of.
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I tried looking at a full list of the Horus Heresy books and my eyes glazed over at one point but am I right in seeing that there are more anthology collections and rereleased anthologies in the series than actual standalone novels?
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peanut- posted:Watchers of the Throne... I admit fight scenes are usually the least interesting part of BL books to me, but the Custodian & squad of Grey Knights & Sisters of Silence vs a Bloodthirster fight is like all my tiny plastic soldier mans fantasies come true. I was painting a plague marine while listening and wanted to smash the drat heretic. Yeah, I had goose bumps reading through that entire battle. How dare they. HOW DARE THEY! SEND THEM ALL BACK TO
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Arcsquad12 posted:I tried looking at a full list of the Horus Heresy books and my eyes glazed over at one point but am I right in seeing that there are more anthology collections and rereleased anthologies in the series than actual standalone novels? There are like five different genres of Horus Heresy novel: - The Good Ones, mostly by Abnett, ADB, and (on a good day) McNeil -Mediocre to bad ones that you should probably read anyway because they are plot-critical (the last book in the opening trilogy, Flight of the Eisenstein) -Mediocre to bad ones that are not one of the above. -Anthologies, the contents of which vary in quality and interest. -The like 20 lovely Vulkan books that BL let Nick Kyme write for some unfathomable reason. Currently on Unremembered Empire, not sure where it fits in yet. My understanding is that the entire Imperium Secundus arc is just filler to give the loyalist primarchs something to do while Horus’s fleet makes its glacial journey towards Terra. But on the other hand it’s Abnett so I’ve gotta at least give it a shot, especially after reading Fear to Tread all the way through. At this point I’d read a grimdark cookbook if Abnett wrote it.
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Fallen Hamprince posted:Currently on Unremembered Empire, not sure where it fits in yet. My understanding is that the entire Imperium Secundus arc is just filler to give the loyalist primarchs something to do while Horus’s fleet makes its glacial journey towards Terra. But on the other hand it’s Abnett so I’ve gotta at least give it a shot, especially after reading Fear to Tread all the way through. At this point I’d read a grimdark cookbook if Abnett wrote it. Keep in mind that it's Abnett, but it's Abnett being shoved in a room full of turds left by lovely writers and being asked to somehow scoop it all up and mould it into something that won't stink the place out so they can use the room for the next episode. Anything with Guilliman is great because it's Abnett's story, but the other threads are clearly a hinderance. Considering what he had to work with it's a goddam masterpiece
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Abnett set up that little tidbit in Know No Fear of Roboute constantly taking notes and editing stratagems while he's sitting idle on his bridge, guy never stops working and it was honestly the most character development he'd ever gotten to that point. It's also the common thread in Dark Imperium, Roboute reads books and does a million tiny adjustments on anything he can access and it all adds up to hyper efficiency. Basically anything Abnett touches turns to gold but I wish they'd curate their authorship more in general. Edit: Know No Fear was basically Abnett making the Ultramarines cool. Up to that point I'd always considered them the joke chapter. Demiurge4 fucked around with this message at 08:19 on Oct 15, 2019 |
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Joke chapter might be a bit harsh, but they were definitely the poster boy generic marine template devoid of any personality outside of "duty! honour! brother!". All their stories were "but the codex says we should do this!" and just bland. Abnett somehow took that and turned it into one of the best books and made the Ultras cool.
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Dog_Meat posted:Keep in mind that it's Abnett, but it's Abnett being shoved in a room full of turds left by lovely writers and being asked to somehow scoop it all up and mould it into something that won't stink the place out so they can use the room for the next episode. IIRC, the afterword to Unremembered Empire goes something like "I don't like saying that books were hard to write, because that sounds like I'm making excuses, but this was a stupidly hard book to write because I had to tie up a dozen lovely storylines to get everything caught up and moving again."
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Dog_Meat posted:Joke chapter might be a bit harsh, but they were definitely the poster boy generic marine template devoid of any personality outside of "duty! honour! brother!". All their stories were "but the codex says we should do this!" and just bland. Abnett somehow took that and turned it into one of the best books and made the Ultras cool. A huge part of Abnett's appeal (and ADB as well) is the characters and evocative descriptions. One of my favorite descriptions is from Necropolis in the epilogue when Abnett describes the arrival of the Warmaster's fleet and the aftermath. It's the same in Know No Fear when Roboute comes out of nowhere to punk a bunch of Word Bearers crawling around on the hull of his flagship By contrast Dark Imperium is shite because the battles are just trite bolter porn that doesn't evoke anything beyond boredom and it feels extremely like filler. The only parts of Dark Imperium I care about are the ones where Roboute interacts with other people but especially regular humans.
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Demiurge4 posted:By contrast Dark Imperium is shite because the battles are just trite bolter porn that doesn't evoke anything beyond boredom and it feels extremely like filler. The only parts of Dark Imperium I care about are the ones where Roboute interacts with other people but especially regular humans. This is why I like ADB's work, too. The battle in Betrayer where the World Eaters have gone crazy and rush into a suicidal assault is amazing because it's not about the pew pew, it's focused on Argal and Khan being swept along and desperatly trying to make it work while a legion falls apart around them (if I remember correctly - I've only read it once). And as you say, the Guilliman scene works so well because we know he's going to tear through them all so we don't need a description of every move. We focus on his thoughts and his rage instead and it makes it a much more badass scene. "Not even close to all seventeen" Same with Master of Mankind. We know that when the Emperor joins the fight he's going to push back the tide as a literal god, but we don't have to slog through "then he punched a marine REALLY hard and his head flew off and it landed on a Titan". We just have that beautiful moment of "the webway caught fire" and it invokes everything you need
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Dog_Meat posted:This is why I like ADB's work, too. The battle in Betrayer where the World Eaters have gone crazy and rush into a suicidal assault is amazing because it's not about the pew pew, it's focused on Argal and Khan being swept along and desperatly trying to make it work while a legion falls apart around them (if I remember correctly - I've only read it once). There's a book focusing on the Emperor?! Is it any good?
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Travic posted:There's a book focusing on the Emperor?! Is it any good? Master of Mankind is definitely a must read.
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Demiurge4 posted:It's the same in Know No Fear when Roboute comes out of nowhere to punk a bunch of Word Bearers crawling around on the hull of his flagship gently caress that part is so good. And then it ends with the rest of the Ultras having to drag him back inside because he still wants to singlehandedly murder a boarding ship with his bare hands and no helmet. Also the staid, boring Ultramarines are kind of a microcosm of the Imperium as a whole, right? Their strength for a long time was that Robute was fine with modifying doctrine to best fit with their opponents at the time and then he went away and it all became frozen and inviolate.
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bloom posted:I wouldn't really call it a must read. It has weak characters, meh battle scenes and doesn't really do anything to advance the HH storyline. It also doesn't give any particular insight into Big E. It's a good book, but I agree with this. If anything, it's good for showing off how much better the custodes are than marines at fighting, but there are no massive steps forward in development. Def read it before Carrion Throne because they work together really well despite being different series. Inspector_666 posted:gently caress that part is so good. And then it ends with the rest of the Ultras having to drag him back inside because he still wants to singlehandedly murder a boarding ship with his bare hands and no helmet. And he STILL has to analyse it for future notes while shaking off the effects of being in the void helmless Inspector_666 posted:
Guilliman is responsible for the structure of the 40k marine chapters and in tabletop, the Ultras were the vanilla 'proper' template for players to create their own chapters. Character wise (pre-Abnett) they followed the codex as a holy scripture and it genuinely contains military genius for every marine to absorb with their eidetic memory but in most stories they were always punked by the cool kid marines who didn't play by the rules, dammit. It was Abnett that brought in the "theory / practical" and adapting aspect into the lore for them. The astartes eventually missing the point and becoming stagnant due to the dogma of following the sacred text slavishly is 40k 101 and dovetailed nicely into what he did with them. God, that man knows how to polish a turd and make it somehow work Dog_Meat fucked around with this message at 15:46 on Oct 15, 2019 |
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one of the reasons Master of Mankind is so good is because it explores the imperial palace (a little bit), like nearly all the other good warhammer books to come out recently.
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Dog_Meat posted:Guilliman is responsible for the structure of the 40k marine chapters and in tabletop, the Ultras were the vanilla 'proper' template for players to create their own chapters. Character wise (pre-Abnett) they followed the codex as a holy scripture and it genuinely contains military genius for every marine to absorb with their eidetic memory but in most stories they were always punked by the cool kid marines who didn't play by the rules, dammit. Yeah it's clearly a retroactive thing and they "suffer" from being The Default Marines but I think it was a cool way of handling it.
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Master of Mankind is awesome. I love me some custodes and sisters of silence, get a little peek at the Emperor, and the Great Work project stuff is awesome. I’m almost done with Solar War, one of my favorite HH characters got done dirty. RIP Mersadie
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Moose-Alini posted:Master of Mankind is awesome. I love me some custodes and sisters of silence, get a little peek at the Emperor, and the Great Work project stuff is awesome. Get The Lost and the Damned when its released in a couple days I think? Next book in the Siege and its easily one of the best warhammer books out there.
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The Lost and the Damned is fine, the action is mostly ok, but what makes it interesting is that it's pretty plot-intensive and gives insight into many questions, like why the Emprah lied to the primarchs about the warp, a simpler explanation about the Alpha legion objectives and why Horus is in a hurry to attack Terra.
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As the arbiter of what is good and cool i’ve declared it Objectively Great actually.
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Travic posted:There's a book focusing on the Emperor?! Is it any good? Master of mankind is probably one of my favorite Warhammer books next to first heritic / betrayer arc without spoilers it's definitely a divisive book. I enjoy it immensely because it does slot of neat things with the emperor's character and makes you question the story he crafted as his origin. He is not the main character though and your interactions with him are mostly through him communicating with his custodians deployed in the webway.
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I've come to terms with the fact that my commuting-consumption of about 24 hours per month is going to eat through books faster than I really like to take to appreciate them, so I've decided to limit my commute to the entire Horus Heresy seriös in Audible, while sticking to books I haven't read on Kindle. I've already gone through the HH series three times via ebook since 2015, omitting the skippable books on the third run, and Horus Rising on Audible is still a refreshing experience.
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Dog_Meat posted:Guilliman is responsible for the structure of the 40k marine chapters and in tabletop, the Ultras were the vanilla 'proper' template for players to create their own chapters. Character wise (pre-Abnett) they followed the codex as a holy scripture and it genuinely contains military genius for every marine to absorb with their eidetic memory but in most stories they were always punked by the cool kid marines who didn't play by the rules, dammit.
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Excellent. Betrayer, The First Heretic, and The Master of Mankind added to my list.
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