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RC Cola posted:I read it as LTT giving them honors, but more of a "here is the second place Nobel Peace Prize. I would give you the first but I already won it. But you still did pretty good champ." They wouldn’t get the Peace Prize until after they’d gone over to the Shadow and conducted some atrocities, though.
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# ? Oct 21, 2019 13:04 |
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RC Cola posted:I read it as LTT giving them honors, but more of a "here is the second place Nobel Peace Prize. I would give you the first but I already won it. But you still did pretty good champ." Yeah you can give accolades and still be poo poo at it, where the award is essentially an insult
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# ? Oct 21, 2019 14:11 |
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I saw this pop up, pretty cool to see first draft stuff and where it eventually went.
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# ? Oct 21, 2019 14:33 |
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I don't think channeling being locked into binary genders is actually reflective of the real working the WoT cosmology. Whether channeling is even possible doesn't seem to be fixed across different ages, and there's indications that it's essentially a crutch when dreaming, completely meaningless in the face of someone that can control the dream. None of that sounds like it's actually a fundamental metaphysical force, or if it is its definitely subordinate to other powers, like how Rand lights his pipe in the end by staring at it with his Sharingan even though he can't channel at all any more.
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# ? Oct 21, 2019 16:46 |
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The Lord Bude posted:Lan isn’t white though. Borderlanders are pretty clearly intended to be Asian. Particularly Malkier/Shienar which have very strong Japanese overtones. The only Asians of Randland were the Saldaeans.
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# ? Oct 21, 2019 22:06 |
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I thought the Domani were described with Asian characteristics too.
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# ? Oct 21, 2019 22:14 |
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Inspector 34 posted:I thought the Domani were described with Asian characteristics too. They're described as having coppery skin, which could mean Mediterranean or Asian depending on your interpretation.
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# ? Oct 21, 2019 22:26 |
Weren’t the Cairhienins or someone described as having their heads shaved and topknotted like medieval Japanese lords?
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# ? Oct 21, 2019 22:57 |
Taraboners use chop sticks
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# ? Oct 21, 2019 23:06 |
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Data Graham posted:Weren’t the Cairhienins or someone described as having their heads shaved and topknotted like medieval Japanese lords? Their military and nobles do but I've always imagined that they're more like 18th century france with the descriptions of the women having high piled hair and giant dresses. All of the cultures are a mix of a lot of things, which is one of the thing I like about the series and hope they nail in the show.
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# ? Oct 21, 2019 23:08 |
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ONE YEAR LATER posted:I saw this pop up, pretty cool to see first draft stuff and where it eventually went. Any more of this floating around?
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# ? Oct 21, 2019 23:20 |
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None of the Randland countries and ethnicities are straight lifts from our world, they're nearly all a mix.Data Graham posted:Weren’t the Cairhienins or someone described as having their heads shaved and topknotted like medieval Japanese lords? Shienarans do the shaved head except for topknot thing, which I've always seen as something like Yule Brynner is wearing in this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fAtbXBxj1sU Cairhienin noblemen shave and powder the front half of their head, but it's a new fad they stole from low class soldiers. I've always envisioned it as some kind of renaissance European take on a chonmage (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chonmage) especially since they also wear sashimono (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sashimono)...but a lot of the rest of their culture and look is pretty clearly France. Here's an old post that I've only been able to find on archive.org lately that is about 1/3 confirmed RJ stuff and 2/3 pretty good speculation: https://web.archive.org/web/20110718121323/http://wotfaq.dragonmount.com/node/164 posted:Posted on October 20th, 2010 by Jennifer Liang aparmenideanmonad fucked around with this message at 23:24 on Oct 21, 2019 |
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Submarine Sandpaper posted:Taraboners use chop sticks No, Domani use chopsticks and it was fashionable to eat Domani food which chopsticks in Tarabon while Elayne et al were there. Look closely at descriptions of Shienar and Shienarans. It’s very Japanese. Also nobody would use a term like ‘coppery’ for Mediterranean people. That’s very much a descriptor associated with south east Asia. The Lord Bude fucked around with this message at 02:16 on Oct 22, 2019 |
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Weirdly, I always saw the Cairhienin hairstyle as a precursor to the Manchurian queue. Give it a few decades, and the remaining hair would be braided in the back.
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# ? Oct 22, 2019 03:31 |
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The actors being from different races even when their characters come from the same non-cosmopolitan village makes much more sense than the racially homogeneous countries in the books. The books are set some thousands of years in the future, the world was unified under one government, and the Breaking mixed nations up too.
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If we're going to get into "The First Age" business... Jesus of Nazareth is the Dragon Reborn, right?
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# ? Oct 22, 2019 12:56 |
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mossyfisk posted:If we're going to get into "The First Age" business... Jesus of Nazareth is the Dragon Reborn, right? Yes. Using spoilers because we have some people reading for the first time in the thread: wounds on the palms of his hands, crown of thorns, wound in the side, produces food from nothing to feed the hungry, dies and comes back to life, his return signals the beginning of the end times.
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Gambrinus posted:Any more of this floating around? I've been looking around (the image was posted in the discord for that podcast I mentioned pages and pages ago) but all I can find is this blog post about someone checking out RJ's notes and drafts. https://thewertzone.blogspot.com/2018/01/the-genesis-of-wheel-of-time.html?m=1
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Submarine Sandpaper posted:Taraboners This word will never stop making me laugh when I hear it.
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# ? Oct 22, 2019 14:36 |
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ONE YEAR LATER posted:Yes. Using spoilers because we have some people reading for the first time in the thread: The book series is almost as old as the bible so there are no reasons for spoilers.
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Henrik Zetterberg posted:This word will never stop making me laugh when I hear it. Yea I don't care if it's "tara-bon-urs", I definitely read it as boner every time. Same thing with "the taint" e; ^^^ That's a stupid attitude when there have explicitly been a few posters saying they're just starting it. If one were simply assuming that were the case, fine sure the series is old as hell. But that's not the case.
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# ? Oct 22, 2019 15:01 |
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Cicero posted:Is it mormon to have a lot of spanking, or is that just a reference to Sanderson finishing the series? mewse posted:Ugh I thought Robert Jordan was mormon as well as Brandon Sanderson Robert Jordan was a Freemason, and according to this documentary it's a thing for them: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IFEJvIfMFfQ Sab669 posted:e; ^^^ That's a stupid attitude when there have explicitly been a few posters saying they're just starting it. If one were simply assuming that were the case, fine sure the series is old as hell. But that's not the case. Good grief, so what's next, spoilers tags for Lord of the Rings in Book Barn because it too has a new TV series?
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# ? Oct 22, 2019 15:41 |
This is literally what the game of thrones thread did when the show came out.
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# ? Oct 22, 2019 15:48 |
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ChubbyChecker posted:The book series is almost as old as the bible so there are no reasons for spoilers. I want new readers to be surprised when they get to the New Testament .
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mossyfisk posted:If we're going to get into "The First Age" business... Jesus of Nazareth is the Dragon Reborn, right? In the same way that Mat is Odin and Perrin is Thor, yeah Or whoever the parallels are with, it's been a while
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# ? Oct 22, 2019 15:50 |
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ChubbyChecker posted:The book series is almost as old as the bible so there are no reasons for spoilers. There’s multiple posters currently reading the books for the first time, myself included. Don’t be a dick.
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Comrade Blyatlov posted:In the same way that Mat is Odin and Perrin is Thor, yeah That's them. Rand has parallels with Tyr too I think. And then of course there's the parallels with Arthurian legend. Part of why Wheel of Time feels so rich is because so much real world stuff is layered on them. It's not a simple 1:1, there's overlap between characters, cultures, and stories.
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DarkHorse posted:That's them. Rand has parallels with Tyr too I think. And then of course there's the parallels with Arthurian legend. Are there any other parallels with Tyr than the lost hand?
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ChubbyChecker posted:Are there any other parallels with Tyr than the lost hand? One funny reference I remember is that he and Tam supply ale to Emond's Field. And here's wikipedia on something else: quote:'You must know victory-runes
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ChubbyChecker posted:Are there any other parallels with Tyr than the lost hand? Mostly the hero/ sacrifice bit and dying at Ragnarok
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# ? Oct 22, 2019 23:28 |
DarkHorse posted:That's them. Rand has parallels with Tyr too I think. And then of course there's the parallels with Arthurian legend. That was the thing I loved so much about it the first time I read it. It's very much its own thing, but it draws from others in a way that never feels cheap or forced. I mean, Merlin travels with them but he sure as gently caress isnt a wizard!
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# ? Oct 23, 2019 00:14 |
Nope. Instead, Merlin is the Pope
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# ? Oct 23, 2019 01:08 |
Uhhh.... help me out here?
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Comrade Blyatlov posted:Uhhh.... help me out here? merlin -> marlin -> fish guts -> siuan
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# ? Oct 23, 2019 01:33 |
Amyrlin?
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# ? Oct 23, 2019 01:33 |
Data Graham posted:Amyrlin? The a-myrlin is clearly the only person who is not Merlin
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# ? Oct 23, 2019 01:44 |
Data Graham posted:Amyrlin? how the hell did I miss that one Ok smart guy what about Tamyrlin then
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# ? Oct 23, 2019 01:47 |
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mossyfisk posted:If we're going to get into "The First Age" business... Jesus of Nazareth is the Dragon Reborn, right? But then we have a scene from when Rand visits one of his academies and the dude he talked to wondered out loud if people during the age of legends referred to their own timer period as "the third age". The implication is that every age is the fourth age since that's the midpoint of the wheel, if causality is cyclical there's no way to order a historical period in an absolute manner, which also mirrors why it's only "called the third age by some". Algid fucked around with this message at 01:52 on Oct 23, 2019 |
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Comrade Blyatlov posted:how the hell did I miss that one The Merlin -> Tha Merlin -> T'a Merlin -> tamyrlin
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Tamyrlin -> Thom Merrillin Thom is actually the Dragon, Rand is just whacked out as gently caress on Two Rivers Leaf
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