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Yeah  Top ten anime betrayals. Askeladd just keeps digging that hole deeper.
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His luck really has run out.
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Oct 25, 2019 14:49
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i like that you get just enough askeladd to maybe start thinking he's alright (past the pillaging) before you get this loving horrendous triple-tap of "i'm manipulating all these viking idiots for my own ends", "yeah just kill this village", "eat poo poo cnut's husband-uncle"
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Oct 25, 2019 16:51
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Patware posted:i like that you get just enough askeladd to maybe start thinking he's alright (past the pillaging) before you get this loving horrendous triple-tap of "i'm manipulating all these viking idiots for my own ends", "yeah just kill this village", "eat poo poo cnut's husband-uncle" In fairness to the first point "I hate these murderous pillaging viking bastards" is reasonably defensible as such things go, especially in the context of wanting to protect Wales - assuming, of course, that you believe he's telling the truth about that. The subsequent slaughter of the innocents is definitely a bit problematic tho
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Oct 25, 2019 16:55
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yeah his motivation isn't necessarily bad, but you have to tie it back into how his manipulation also involves driving them around like a murder cloud and making sure his gang of vikings is as viking as they can possibly be something something nietzsche quote
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Oct 25, 2019 17:00
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It is a point that the story has been making from episode 1 that Thors is the only person that has reached some sort of enlightenment and made the conscious decision to be a Good Person. Askeladd stands out on the other end, because he is able to recognise he is morally bankrupt and accept that with no pretences.
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Oct 25, 2019 18:22
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Feels like the last two episodes could have been one. Not sure I needed this week's episode drawn out as it was.
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Oct 28, 2019 04:43
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Shinjobi posted:Feels like the last two episodes could have been one. Not sure I needed this week's episode drawn out as it was. Don't get how you could feel that, both episodes were great.
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Oct 28, 2019 04:50
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MonsterEnvy posted:Don't get how you could feel that, both episodes were great. I really liked the last one, this week's I just wasn't digging
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Oct 28, 2019 07:22
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Putting last two episodes together would probably make it feel overloaded and rushed, imo. I quite liked the last one - it doesn't look very good (they're saving budget for action scenes, I guess) but we're finally reaching that moment when Yukimura's thorough character writing starts to pay off.
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Oct 28, 2019 09:16
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Shucks howdy, how's the gang going to get out of this one?
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Oct 30, 2019 05:00
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Doctor Reynolds posted:Shucks howdy, how's the gang going to get out of this one? Narrator: It was swords. The coming episodes should have two of the best fights in the early manga tho, so looking forward to that.
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Oct 30, 2019 05:59
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Oh yeah, Thorkell punching a horse is a thing alright.
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Nov 3, 2019 18:49
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Lotta animals going down in this episode
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Nov 3, 2019 20:28
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YF-23 posted:Oh yeah, Thorkell punching a horse is a thing alright. lol did that finally happen Did they animate it appropriately over-lavishly like the anime version of enelface in one piece
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Nov 3, 2019 20:34
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Captain Invictus posted:lol did that finally happen Yes, it was perfect 
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Nov 3, 2019 22:25
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If you want learn more about the historical side of this story, episode 332 of the British History podcast covers the arrival of the Jomsvikings to England the initial adventures of Thorkell the Tall. But it's hard to appreciate that episode without the previous episodes covering the pathetic nature of the Anglo-Saxon nobility under King Æthelred "Unræd". It's like six straight podcast episodes of "after the English fyrd formed up to defend their homes from the Viking army, the English nobles immediately fled at the sight of the Vikings like a bunch of massive cowards. After seeing their commanders flee like craven morons, English army shattered, and the Vikings got a free win without having to put any real effort into it." It's hard to express how much the Anglo-Saxon aristocracy was filled with yellow-bellied losers during this time period.
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Nov 4, 2019 00:00
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I've enjoyed the series more since it started doing the slower character episodes. Looking forward to the big Thorkell/Thorfinn throwdown though.
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Nov 4, 2019 01:12
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Is this the same time period as Rollo the Walker? That's another giant Viking dude.
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Nov 6, 2019 19:22
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Doctor Reynolds posted:Is this the same time period as Rollo the Walker? That's another giant Viking dude. About a century later. The "current" Duke of Normandy is Richard II (Rollo's great grandson), whose sister is married to King Æthelred. Hidingo Kojimba fucked around with this message at 01:32 on Nov 7, 2019 |
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Nov 8, 2019 09:25
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https://twitter.com/makotoyukimura/status/1193428478114156544 Yukimura started drawing the fourth (last) arc
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Nov 10, 2019 12:36
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 I've always felt like this series did dads very well, from Thors to Askeladd. One being the good dad and the other being his bad dad. All the characterisation and character growth is just really spot on and the anime is adapting things pretty well. If Gohans "bad dad" had been Vegeta instead of Piccolo he might have ended up like Thorfinn.
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Nov 10, 2019 23:13
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macabresca posted:https://twitter.com/makotoyukimura/status/1193428478114156544 He said it would be 1000 pages long.
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Nov 10, 2019 23:15
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I mean at ~40 pages per chapter, that's roughly 25 chapters and with Vinland Saga being monthly, that means it will be finished in a bit over two years. Which not especially long, for a monthly manga. For comparison, every other arc in Vinland Saga was around 50 chapters, so it will actually be a lot shorter than usual. (assuming it won't balloon in size, which it probably will.)
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Nov 10, 2019 23:25
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Actually, the estimation is that it will take ~50 chapters. VS chapters are generally 20-25 pages long
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Nov 11, 2019 09:30
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So, uh, does the manga make any more sense re: that bonkers interpretation of Christianity and Canute's weird non-sequitur stuff about humans?
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Maera Sior posted:So, uh, does the manga make any more sense re: that bonkers interpretation of Christianity and Canute's weird non-sequitur stuff about humans? It makes a kind of internal sense, in regards to our protagonists journey to Vinland. It obviously has nothing to do with the historic characters in the story. But as a story with history as it’s backdrop I have been impressed. I will say it has been interesting as a manga reader to revisit this part of the story with hind sight. I don’t want to spoil anything because one of the things I most want to see is how the anime handles the end of this arc. Does anyone know if Vinland saga is going to 52 episodes or stopping at 24?
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Nov 18, 2019 03:00
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everydayfalls posted:It makes a kind of internal sense, in regards to our protagonists journey to Vinland. It obviously has nothing to do with the historic characters in the story. But as a story with history as it’s backdrop I have been impressed. I will say it has been interesting as a manga reader to revisit this part of the story with hind sight. It's stopping at 24, at least for now. I'd be shocked if we don't end on the end of the War In England arc.
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Southpaugh posted:If Gohans "bad dad" had been Vegeta instead of Piccolo he might have ended up like Thorfinn. Pretty sure Piccolo is the good dad Maera Sior posted:So, uh, does the manga make any more sense re: that bonkers interpretation of Christianity and Canute's weird non-sequitur stuff about humans? Matthew 5:43-46 posted:You have heard that it was said, 'You shall love (agapēseis) your neighbor and hate your enemy.' But I say to you, Love (agapāte) your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, so that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven; for he makes his sun rise on the evil and on the good, and sends rain on the just and on the unjust. For if you love those who love you, what reward have you? My interpenetration of what C'nut was saying is that is an impossible standard to live by, making salvation impossible for any person to achieve, so gently caress god's way I'm going to make things right on my own as a human.
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Nov 18, 2019 03:14
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Without giving too much away, I'd also recommend you keep in mind that the story is a long way from over and Canute/Willibald's talk in this ep was by no means Vinland Saga's (or even necessarily Canute's) Final Authoritative Statement On Morality.
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Kung Food posted:I thought it made enough sense as is. Drunk priest is talking about Agape: a universal, unconditional love for all of humanity. It's not a bonkers interpretation at all, but in fact one of the core tenants. He was talking about animism, not agape. Natural processes are love, pretty literally, and god wasn't mentioned at all (by the priest). Kung Food posted:My interpenetration of what C'nut was saying is that is an impossible standard to live by, making salvation impossible for any person to achieve, so gently caress god's way I'm going to make things right on my own as a human. That works ok for me, but it didn't follow from the "love is natural processes" speech from the priest. Canute brought in god himself. Maera Sior fucked around with this message at 03:31 on Nov 18, 2019 |
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Nov 18, 2019 03:28
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Maera Sior posted:That works ok for me, but it didn't follow from the "love is natural processes" speech from the priest. Canute brought in god himself. Sure it does. His speech boils down to "a corpse embodies love because it will not, under any circumstances, lash out at or harm another creature" - a standard that, for instance, Ragnar failed to meet when he allowed Askeladd's band to slaughter an entire village of innocents in an attempt to protect the Prince's location. (For dramatic purposes we'll ignore sanitation concerns here) Spiritus Nox fucked around with this message at 06:07 on Nov 18, 2019 |
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Nov 18, 2019 06:05
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The priest said that humans couldn't love, and that death (as well as the natural world) was love, which again sounds rather more Shinto than anything related to Christianity. Unless we're skipping straight to "everything God made is love because God made it," in which case apply it to whatever you feel like, the word is now usless because you can't meaningfully define it.
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Spiritus Nox posted:Sure it does. His speech boils down to "a corpse embodies love because it will not, under any circumstances, lash out at or harm another creature" - a standard that, for instance, Ragnar failed to meet when he allowed Askeladd's band to slaughter an entire village of innocents in an attempt to protect the Prince's location. That's only half of it. A corpse also embodies love because of its pure charity, giving without asking for anything in return. In that way, all dead men are like Christ, whose corpse feeds all that will partake, and who forgave even his killers. But it's also important that it's coming from a place of depression. Willibald had just found out that a man lived who embodied all he'd ever believed in and all he ever sought, not in the distant past, but in his lifetime... and the men who killed him were his current companions, who made him an unwilling accessory to a massacre of innocents, and who were now dying pointlessly all around him. Doesn't put a guy in the most upbeat frame of mind.
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It looks like I'm at risk of derailing this thread into theological argument, so I'll just say that I thought that most of the episode was lacking and assume it's handled better in the manga.
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Nov 18, 2019 06:49
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It's an extremely faithful adaptation and the dialog and imagery is practically identical to the manga. 
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Nov 18, 2019 08:09
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Willibald's interpretation of agape makes a lot more sense when you consider Thors, who is the very embodiment of that ideal. He became a man that gave away to help others, even when they were so far gone that they were going to die regardless, someone who, when forced to fight, made sure not to kill anyone, and whose most important lesson to Thorfinn is that he has no enemies.
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Nov 18, 2019 09:12
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I thought that was a really beautiful episode. I loved it!
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Doctor Reynolds posted:I thought that was a really beautiful episode. I loved it! 
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