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https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-50345264quote:In June 2018 they unlocked an Edeka supermarket waste bin at night in Olching, near Munich, and fished out still-edible fruit, yoghurt and vegetables. what was the word for unconsciously stating a truth you cannot consciously accept? thanks
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smdh youre supposed to bleach and poison the perfectly fine food before you throw it out
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tangentially related content https://twitter.com/GodbodyLamar/status/1192502434670792705
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THS posted:communist cops in a stable post-scarcity world will mostly have to deal with stuff like mental breakdowns and de-escalations, and would have to be trained in psychology and EMT stuff with a few specialized armed units for when the Joker takes the premier hostage or whatever yeah like functionally social workers are the best when it comes to stopping crime, so that effectively what the police would be in any post-revolution society. Half the reason the police in America are so uniquely brutal is they are all walking human thumbs who say poo poo like "obungler".
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Truga posted:in yugosliavia we had a "militia" yeah. that's cool
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Truga posted:in yugosliavia we had a "militia" yeah. that's fuckin rad
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in the glorious future we'll have the citizens militia that isnt really cops so much as rapid response mediators who also maybe help emts, but also revolutionary security for shooting up cia posts. hell you know even if the USA had a revolution tomorrow there'd still be a network of our former spooks out there just keeping on keeping on
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my stupid Ike jacket that I've been wearing half of my life
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non circulating labor bitcoins aren't money 
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sure why not. ration cards for everything
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Larry Parrish posted:in the glorious future we'll have the citizens militia that isnt really cops so much as rapid response mediators who also maybe help emts, but also revolutionary security for shooting up cia posts. hell you know even if the USA had a revolution tomorrow there'd still be a network of our former spooks out there just keeping on keeping on Like the SS werewolves, but mormon and flabby
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statistically the most dangerous call for police is actually domestic disputes and that probably won't go away entirely under a socialism but you also don't need a gun or riot gear to handle those
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Raskolnikov38 posted:sure why not.
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let's just do the pre-1940s thing where if there really is a band of armed people robbing banks or whatever then an army unit handles it. dont really need to be training Parking Ticket Guy to use rifles and how to breach and clear
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Larry Parrish posted:let's just do the pre-1940s thing where if there really is a band of armed people robbing banks or whatever then an army unit handles it. dont really need to be training Parking Ticket Guy to use rifles and how to breach and clear You're a moron
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weed corps. any time there's trouble, they "roll" onto the scene with a military grade vape cannon and hotbox the suspect into submission
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Larry Parrish posted:let's just do the pre-1940s thing where if there really is a band of armed people robbing banks or whatever then an army unit handles it. dont really need to be training Parking Ticket Guy to use rifles and how to breach and clear robbing banks is good????
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i couldnt think of an example of what you'd need a socialist swat team for besides raiding spook hideouts and shooting at reactionaries, which presumably would be an army thing anyway
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Raskolnikov38 posted:sure why not. ration cards for everything better have goons make the system or goons will figure out how to game it for endless cheap cigs and ham
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Larry Parrish posted:i couldnt think of an example of what you'd need a socialist swat team for besides raiding spook hideouts and shooting at reactionaries, which presumably would be an army thing anyway i think it would take a generation or two to completely do away with an armed police equivalent, regardless of the way we destroy and replace the current institutions. 400 million guns in america and some people are still variously stupid and crazy, even if the class struggle is won. also i think you’d see a lot of public outrage if there were violent armed incidents and the response was tepid. i guess you could make rapid response units the domain of the army but idk this is what marx said about trying to make recipes for the restaurants of the future or whatever. probably shouldn’t spend too much time theorycrafting the communist police, of which i will be a member of so i can play out my communist revenge fantasies - the real motivation at the heart of every leftist
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the glory of posting is that none of this matters in the slightest and will never convince anyone of even the most minor thing so you're free to write post scarcity restaurant theorycrafting, like what cool name wed give to the executive council
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I want a tough on crime commissar
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THS posted:communist cops in a stable post-scarcity world will mostly have to deal with stuff like mental breakdowns and de-escalations, and would have to be trained in psychology and EMT stuff with a few specialized armed units for when the Joker takes the premier hostage or whatever
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So, in the latest Citations Needed, they talk how "automation" or "market forces" is used as a framing device in the media to create a sort of faceless, blameless cause for layoffs. From a purely media critique standpoint, it makes sense that you want news about a factory shut-down to be properly identified against the CEO, the stakeholder, the capitalist that decided to do it. However, if it is a decision, then there is an implication that they could ever decide the other way: to NOT shut down the factory and keep more people employed, for whatever reason. Except we as materialists would never think that they would, because it works against their interests - that is, to reduce labor costs and maximize the profits that they get to pocket. If they ever did, then that'd make the case for a sort of "sustainable capitalism", but they don't, and we know that they won't, ever, and they don't even have to be "evil" to want to do it, they just have to be looking out for their own self-interests. And if we know that they're always going to do that, that they're always going to choose to lay off more people, to immiserate more people, and so on and so forth, then that establishes the case for the "inevitability" of capitalism's collapse and the need for The Next Mode of Production to blossom, because it's this unstoppable motivation of capitalists to behave the way that they do that becomes an unsustainable drag on the mode of production that needs to be shed, in the same way that things like serfdom and monarchial control of trade were unsustainable drags on the Feudal mode of production that needed to be shed. Does this make any sense? This isn't really a dispute with Citations Needed's argument*, but more like an extrapolation of its implications that I'd been turning over in my head. * it is still useful to correctly identify who is response for job layoffs, if only to serve as a focus for anti-capitalist agitation, even if we know that Jeff Bezos is never going to have his mind changed.
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i could see the capitalists keeping wage labor around if the trend of companies slowly owning everything in a town continues, like detroit. but the more realistic outcome is probably that we're close to the point where automating physical labor is more expensive than having a bunch of jerks do it for minimum wage. you gotta do r&d to make the machines, maintain them, upgrades, etc. people don't really need any of that. you pay them minimum wage and just replace them with whoever comes next as soon as they slip up. amazon has this down to a science pretty much.
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gradenko_2000 posted:Does this make any sense? Yes
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capitalists as a class have been able to respond to extreme crisis and threat of revolution historically and get the system to sustain itself again it's why more forward thinking capitalists like zuckerberg and yang are publicly talking about UBI systems b/c they predict a collapse in capitalist employment it's possible they can keep doing this until capitalism reaches a tipping point that destroys the entire human species
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also worth noting that UBI is only for the denizens of the developed/white/western world, the developing world still gets guns pointed at them, misery, a dollar a day jobs and all the other poisons of neoliberalism
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The effects of automation over the past few decades have been vastly overstated. Think about how clothing is effectively manufactured the same way it was 100 years ago: the spinning and weaving is automated, but then it goes to a sweat system of thousands of workers on individual sewing machines. What's changed is that it can now be sweated down to the most oppressed workers in the world instead of the city. That's not to say automation doesn't happen at all, but it's very expensive and doesn't give a huge advantage compared to what you can get from pushing labor around to pillage the commons.
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smarxist posted:also worth noting that UBI is only for the denizens of the developed/white/western world, the developing world still gets guns pointed at them, misery, a dollar a day jobs and all the other poisons of neoliberalism "Outsourcing enables capitalists to replace higher-paid domestic labor with low-wage Southern labor, exposing workers in imperialist nations to direct competition with similarly skilled but much lower paid workers in Southern nations, while falling prices of clothing, food, and other articles of mass consumption protects consumption levels from falling wages and magnifies the effect of wage increases. The IMF’s World Economic Outlook 2007 attempted to weigh these two effects, concluding: “Although the labor share [of GDP] went down, globalization of labor as manifested in cheaper imports in advanced economies has increased the ‘size of the pie’ to be shared among all citizens, resulting in a net gain in total workers’ compensation in real terms.” In other words, cost savings resulting from outsourcing are shared with workers in imperialist countries. This is both an economic imperative and a conscious strategy of the employing class and their political representatives that is crucial to maintaining domestic class peace. Wage repression at home, rather than abroad, would reduce demand and unleash latent recessionary forces. Competition in markets for workers’ consumer goods forces some of the cost reductions resulting from greater use of low-wage labor to be passed on to them." 
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The Citations Needed guys may not have the best material analysis but I feel like that'd still be a very good podcast to recommend to normy friends if only because so many people are stuck in this mindset that "market forces" are as immutable and inevitable as forces of nature, that capitalism is "just the economy working normally" (actual quote from someone I've talked to) and that there's some sort of rhyme or reason to mass lay-offs that isn't just the interests of one specific class. Even bringing this problem up in a way which isn't immediately alienating and full of jargon is likely to get gears turning and lead to further exploration.
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It used to be normal to have slaves.
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:It used to be normal to have slaves. I get your point but that's like saying it's normal to own yachts today
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listen up capitailures,
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i say swears online posted:I get your point but that's like saying it's normal to own yachts today Yeah of course it's normal. If you're rich then you buy a yacht. It's normal for "succesful" people to own yachts. Wot's yer fookin prublum m8?
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in the macro scope, its besides the point if singular entities of capitalist corporations choose to do "the right thing" in the sense of not taking advantage of more efficient/automated means of production that shed labor costs because those technologies will just be adopted by the rest of the industry and out compete the aforementioned entity, driving them out of business. its not a sustainable or convincing way of doing business for a capitalist enterprise, but in the micro case, pointing out the human choices made in shedding labor and the power management has over the livelihoods of the working class is useful as a rhetorical device to agitate people to take action against the bosses, but at some point the working class has to realize that there is no alternative to the capitalist exploiting their labor and that's why the entirety of the system has to go
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