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qbert posted:That could be true. Aren't they the other kids he ran away with from Luke's school? I just assumed they all joined his gang and were like his minions or something. Sorry, it’s official canon now that Ben didn’t attack anyone after Luke tried to murder him. Snoke or someone else blew up the temple, and then Ben tried to rescue his fellow students. He told a few of the survivors what Luke had done and they didn’t believe him, so they tried to kill him too and then he fled to Snoke
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Adam Driver will be fine. He’s literally been in movies by Scorsese, the Coen Brothers, Spielberg, Spike Lee, Soderbergh, etc.
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Happy Noodle Boy posted:Honestly, you’re right. One thing that has forever bothered me about Star Wars is the complete lack of spacesuits or acknowledging that you’re flying through loving space. The ships never lose pressure, there’s never a worry of having to be out in space for repairs or anything. And even on the one instance of this happening, Leia just flies back lmao. I’m pretty sure Finn was wearing one of those respirators from empire when they got Rey off the star destroyer with the falcon. This actually makes things far more confusing.
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Blast Fantasto posted:Adam Driver will be fine. He’s literally been in Yes the real concern is Daisy Ridley because she did everything possible to work with what she was given.
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Zoran posted:Sorry, it’s official canon now that Ben didn’t attack anyone after Luke tried to murder him. Snoke or someone else blew up the temple, and then Ben tried to rescue his fellow students. He told a few of the survivors what Luke had done and they didn’t believe him, so they tried to kill him too and then he fled to Snoke So what happened to all of the other students?
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Happy Noodle Boy posted:Honestly, you’re right. One thing that has forever bothered me about Star Wars is the complete lack of spacesuits or acknowledging that you’re flying through loving space. The ships never lose pressure, there’s never a worry of having to be out in space for repairs or anything. And even on the one instance of this happening, Leia just flies back lmao. Funny thing is that Vader and the stormtrooper's armor started off as concept art for spacesuits to be used in the original movie, but Lucas liked the designs so much that they became their standard costumes.
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Hazo posted:Couple things now that I’ve almost woken up: Maz really had no reason to be in the second or third movie. I guess because she was in the first? But we don't need to check back in with every minor character!
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Hazo posted:- Leia was handled perfectly. I was hyper aware that we were seeing old unused footage and I kept expecting it to take me out of the moment, but it didn’t happen. Props to the editing team. I felt the opposite. They were in a tough spot and I guess did what they had to, but her character felt very much out of the moment in every scene. She's just there kinda staring at people and responding to them with lines that barely apply to what they said. I felt nothing during her death scene. She wanders off silently as other characters narrate that she's going to use the rest of her powers to reach out to her son. Okay? No one would have minded if she died between movies and it was told in the opening crawl, given the circumstances.
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hobbesmaster posted:I’m pretty sure Finn was wearing one of those respirators from empire when they got Rey off the star destroyer with the falcon. On that rescue I believe the Star Destroyer was within the atmosphere and not in space so maybe there was little oxygen but still no need for a proper suit which is why Rey was able to jump off the hangar without issue.
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hobbesmaster posted:Yes the real concern is Daisy Ridley because she did everything possible to work with what she was given. I think she'll be fine too. Both she and Driver carried this movie. She's not quite as good as he is, but still is pretty good with natural charisma.
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Oh has it been mentioned how hilarious it is that Palpatine goads Rey into killing him so she's turned to the dark side of the force (and he can take her over or whatever? who knows) and she refuses, but then seconds later massacres dozens of nameless mooks? Feels like....feels like that should be bad too. But I guess that doesn't matter.
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Hobo Clown posted:I felt the opposite. They were in a tough spot and I guess did what they had to, but her character felt very much out of the moment in every scene. She's just there kinda staring at people and responding to them with lines that barely apply to what they said. I felt nothing during her death scene. She wanders off silently as other characters narrate that she's going to use the rest of her powers to reach out to her son. Okay? Yeah, hard agree here. I would have even been fine with an opening shot of her dying somehow, but instead it felt like what we got was a better CGI version of Olivia Soprano's final scene. It was unnecessary and I don't buy for a minute the "TLJ wrote them into a corner!" argument on this one.
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thrawn527 posted:So what happened to all of the other students? John Wick of Dogs posted:Maz really had no reason to be in the second or third movie. I guess because she was in the first? But we don't need to check back in with every minor character! A good question, for another time.
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Zoran posted:Sorry, it’s official canon now that Ben didn’t attack anyone after Luke tried to murder him. Snoke or someone else blew up the temple, and then Ben tried to rescue his fellow students. He told a few of the survivors what Luke had done and they didn’t believe him, so they tried to kill him too and then he fled to Snoke What the poo poo...? Mike N Eich posted:Oh has it been mentioned how hilarious it is that Palpatine goads Rey into killing him so she's turned to the dark side of the force (and he can take her over or whatever? who knows) and she refuses, but then seconds later massacres dozens of nameless mooks? I mean, it's hilarious that her refusing to kill him made her good, but then 5 MINUTES LATER she killed him...but in a good way?
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Happy Noodle Boy posted:On that rescue I believe the Star Destroyer was within the atmosphere and not in space so maybe there was little oxygen but still no need for a proper suit which is why Rey was able to jump off the hangar without issue. Rey wouldn’t have had issues with hard vacuum because she’s a force user. Even if Leia hadn’t done her thing in TLJ it’s an EU force power at least. I completely forgot they were in the upper atmosphere though so it’s kinda irrelevant.
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Mike N Eich posted:Oh has it been mentioned how hilarious it is that Palpatine goads Rey into killing him so she's turned to the dark side of the force (and he can take her over or whatever? who knows) and she refuses, but then seconds later massacres dozens of nameless mooks? I guess there's like specifically some magic spell that if you kill a sith using a lightsaber they infect you with the Sigma virus
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Mike N Eich posted:Oh has it been mentioned how hilarious it is that Palpatine goads Rey into killing him so she's turned to the dark side of the force (and he can take her over or whatever? who knows) and she refuses, but then seconds later massacres dozens of nameless mooks? He was doing it in some ritual way but uh, yeah.
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I feel like Daisy Ridley will have a similar career to Kiera Knightly. Nothing remarkable, she'll pop up here and there in quite British roles, period dramas etc and the odd blockbuster but no one will consider her an amazing actress.
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Leia wasn’t in the vacuum for that long and *waves hands* was still partially surrounded by the lingering atmosphere from the ship which was still constrained by the ships shields
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Mr Luxury Yacht posted:Leia dies and then double dies and vanishes like a day later when her son dies for...reasons? The doctor hosed up and she wasn't actually dead under that sheet. She spent 24 hours slowly dying while others walked past.
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kidkissinger posted:So how did palpatine not die in RotJ? Was that soul explosion just a coincidence? He literally just gives the dark side unnatural line.
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But this time they exploded him it's for total realises. They should have pulled a Dr.Manhattan and been like "Why did you think that would work I obviously learned to unexplode myself years ago".
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kidkissinger posted:So how did palpatine not die in RotJ? Was that soul explosion just a coincidence? Seriously, how are people who go on and on about hating the "plot hole" of Holdo withholding info from Poe in TLJ gonna reconcile the massive plot vortexes of this film? Palpatine alive? A million Super Death Stars?
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Happy Noodle Boy posted:Once you learn to become a Jedi ghost you should just die and become the most efficient comm/scout/spy for the Jedi. Just spooky it up and haunt enemies while bringing back intel. "Hey Obi-Wan, do you mind doing some recon for us on that second Death Star? Maybe listen in on some meetings with the Emperor, make sure this isn't, I don't know, a...trap, or something?" "Sorry, I've got an afterlife poker game with Yoda and Qui-Gon, and I'm gonna clean those fuckers out of their, uh...ghost chips." "...dick."
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Handsome Ralph posted:Yeah, hard agree here. The only corner they were written into in regards to Leia was not killing her off in TLJ. She should have had Holdo's role. Seasoned General and OT favorite up against new brash ST favorite and Han Solo analogue, ultimately sacrificing herself in a huge way to save the Rebellion she's always fought for.
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Here's the definitive trilogy episode assessment: The Force Awakens did a dreadful job laying the foundations for the new trilogy- the framework of the titular "star war" that it lays down is nonsensical, and the mysteries that it sets up (who is Rey? who is Snoke?) are guaranteed to have predictable or anticlimactic answers. Kylo Ren, a character who is meant to have a lot of pathos, isn't shown to have any agenda beyond "level up". The Last Jedi correctly identifies the identities Snoke as a lame villain and dispatches with him accordingly; however Kylo is confirmed to be so vulnerable and pathetic that the movie leaves basically no credible villains on the table by the end. Rey is revealed not to be of notable parentage, which is a more interesting answer than her being related to someone we met before, but it does raise the question of why we needed to make a mystery of it to begin with. Lip service is paid towards ideas that the narrative of Star Wars and the Jedi and the Sith is circular and destructive (a radical, fresh idea if you've never seen the little-known prequel films released 1999-2005), but ultimately our heroes either give up and accept that things can never really change as long as "Wars" is in the title (Luke/Kylo), or never really grasp the premise (Rey and everyone else). Left with a villian deficit, The Rise of Skywalker is left with the choice of either doing the legwork to finally let Kylo squash his doubts and become the formidable opponent he's always wanted to be, or introduce a new villian at the 11th hour, freeing Kylo to rehash the redemption arc everyone has expected from day 1. Obviously it picks the latter, except it brings back the Oldest Villain. It also chooses to reopen the issue of Rey's parentage, because seemingly the only thing Rey will ever be allowed to be is someone who isn't sure who she is or what she should do. Also, it turns out that the First Order, which is inexplicably unchallenged in the first two movies, was actually a paper tiger all along! All it took to bring them down was 20 good men and believe in yourself. Some will blame this movie on The Last Jedi writing it into a corner, some will blame it on the fans for rejecting Last Jedi and causing an over-correction. The truth is that neither of these things caused this movie to be paced to poorly, or to be so morbid in its treatment of Leia, or to suffer from Force Power creep that ends in a truly anime-esque confrontation between Rey and Palpatine, or for Maz to give Chewie a medal that Leia had laying around (??).
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qbert posted:Seriously, how are people who go on and on about hating the "plot hole" of Holdo withholding info from Poe in TLJ gonna reconcile the massive plot vortexes of this film? The movie makes way more sense if you just realize it’s an old EU novel/comic.
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The REAL Goobusters posted:Carrie Fisher should’ve never been in any of these Disney sequels imo. They'll all be fine, but Ridley in particular is from a rich and very pedigreed family so even if not she'll still be very comfortable. Boyega needs to pick some better projects but Hollywood people seem very enamored of him so I think he'll find some success outside of Star Wars.
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General Dog posted:Here's the definitive trilogy episode assessment: Ren being unhinged and insecure doesn't make him less of a dangerous villain. There's interesting narrative space to play around with a villain like Ren who is given nearly unlimited power but is also unhappy and underconfident. It's maybe not a Star Wars thing they're comfortable playing around with though so they just gave him a new master.
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