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doomrider7 posted:So basically Tenchi is the Alpha and Omega of harem anime with Grand Blue Dreaming as it's apostle. Tenchi Muyo! is one of those weird things like Evangelion in that it's had a whole lot of imitators that copy some of the surface elements but completely miss most of the things that make it unique and weird.
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Mostly the wicked sweet space battles.
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And the totally boss outfits.
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Nate RFB posted:WNL and Nisekoi are basically indistinguishable to me and everyone sure seemed to hate the latter. https://twitter.com/dril/status/473265809079693312?s=19
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I liked Nisekoi but I agree that the endgame was obvious from the beginning now Domestic Girlfriend, that's a loving series. I read that whole thing yesterday and it was something else
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Carlosologist posted:I liked Nisekoi but I agree that the endgame was obvious from the beginning I generally don't mind the at and actually prefer it, but only in the circumstances that the narrative doesn't try to pretend otherwise by heavily teasing other ships when the endgame is already clear.
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Carlosologist posted:I liked Nisekoi but I agree that the endgame was obvious from the beginning Domestic Girlfriend is amazing because it's almost comically melodramatic. The older sister is the worst character, and I feel terrible for the poor parents who are almost certainly actually aware of the fact that their son/step-son has been sleeping with both the daughters. The one thing I have to give Domestic Girlfriend credit for is that it's actually completely believable that the protagonist is popular with girls. Dude is very good looking and a published novelist as a teenager. It isn't surprising that women keep getting interested in him. I actually wonder if this is related to the author being a woman (I think this is the case?).
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yeah, Natsuo isn't as comically dense as most other male protagonists are in this genre as well. I actually don't mind Hina because she's probably the character with the most depth of all the different girls featured I'm a sucker for good melodrama too
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I'm convinced that Sasuga Kei can't write anything but melodrama but drat at least she's better at it than Seo Kouji.
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Another thing to give Domestic GF credit for is that it very clearly establishes what kind of series it's gonna be from the get-go, that being a trash roller coaster and every time I feel like checking in on it, it's just about the same, so yay for consistency? That being said, I feel like it should have ended around the time GE: Good Ending did, because that one was also melodramatic, but it ended. Abruptly, but there was an end.
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Carlosologist posted:yeah, Natsuo isn't as comically dense as most other male protagonists are in this genre as well. I actually don't mind Hina because she's probably the character with the most depth of all the different girls featured Hina has depth in the extent to which she's "realistically a complete gently caress-up who is willing to hook up with her student (who is also her step-brother lol)." I agree with the other sister (forget her name) being extremely boring after her initial "arc" though.
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nisekoi sucked because it just made me sad about double arts
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I could never tell the difference between Nisekoi and Nyankoi.
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ZepiaEltnamOberon posted:I could never tell the difference between Nisekoi and Nyankoi. Pouring one out for Nyankoi.
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SpazmasterX posted:I'm convinced that Sasuga Kei can't write anything but melodrama but drat at least she's better at it than Seo Kouji. ZepiaEltnamOberon posted:I could never tell the difference between Nisekoi and Nyankoi.
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ConanThe3rd posted:Seo is a lunatic and not the fun “Take me on this wild drama ride, Mr Author!” kind ether. Nisekoi finished, Nyankoi went on hiatus due to health of the author and then never came back
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Tarezax posted:Nisekoi finished, Nyankoi went on hiatus due to health of the author and then never came back Damnit, it's always the good ones, huh?
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ConanThe3rd posted:Seo is a lunatic and not the fun “Take me on this wild drama ride, Mr Author!” kind ether. The best Seo is Lorelei .
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kidcoelacanth posted:nisekoi sucked because it just made me sad about double arts
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Nisekoi was quality face/blush porn.
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Rand Brittain posted:Tenchi Muyo! is one of those weird things like Evangelion in that it's had a whole lot of imitators that copy some of the surface elements but completely miss most of the things that make it unique and weird. Totally agree about the outfits especially the Tenchi Muyo ones. On that note, what would you say were the things that made Tenchi Muyo unique and weird in that specific way that imitator miss?
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Mentioning it here just because I don't know of any other thread to discuss it, but I'm catching up on the last year or so of the webtoon unOrdinary and I've gone from thinking John is a lunatic to realizing that he's actually correct. Remi and her brother are basically like liberals who think that you can regulate the wealthy into good behavior without actually removing their power and privilege, while John realizes that they will always just leverage their power into maintaining a society that preserves their own privilege at the expense of the working class (or low-tiers in the case of this comic). Any solution that lets them continue to have power requires their cooperation, and such a solution is doomed to failure in the long run. John is still kinda a lunatic due to the way he's managing the whole situation with Seraphina, but his reasoning is basically correct - we've already been directly shown that the "compassionate high-tier" approach doesn't work. I was actually expecting the comic to directly treat Remi's whole attitude as "the correct/good side" but it seems like it's acknowledging that her whole approach is a failure through the whole situation with her brother. And when you think about it, I think every single person John has brutalized so far is a piece of poo poo who has a history of brutally injuring low-tiers (or passively associating with people who did so). edit: I'm kinda getting some mixed messages in that John is obviously portrayed as unhinged, but the actual outcome of his actions is kinda objectively good, or at least "just." I wonder if Blyke (etc) will end up realizing that the way they feel, being in fear of John, is the way low tiers have always felt in this setting. John has basically created an atmosphere where high tiers are being made to live in similar fear to the fear they forced the low tiers to live in. So there's a weird contrast between John personally being portrayed as a bit of a lunatic, and John's actual actions being fairly reasonable and having positive results. The characterization of the high tiers in the latter parts of the series seems to make them out to be closer to "good" than John, but the actual facts the story provides us with tell us that "well-intentioned high tiers" aren't actually a solution. The comments are pretty interesting because of all the different attitudes towards John's actions. Many people are unsurprisingly siding with the high-tiers because they've been PoV characters for a long time who have been portrayed in a sympathetic light, but a bunch are also remembering that most of these people are kinda pieces of poo poo who were randomly hurting people for disrespecting them earlier in the series (and even the best of them were somehow completely oblivious to this). Seraphina is actually the only one who outright rejected the higharchy entirely instead of trying to be some "noblesse oblige" high tier. Ytlaya fucked around with this message at 09:52 on Dec 29, 2019 |
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It would be if he wasn't a lying bucket of poo poo himself, the comic wasn't paced like an ant moving a brick-house (Webtoons are kinda awful for that) and theres a multitude of "The super society hosed me in the arse" stories that do that theme so much better. Shigaraki (MHA) is a better John than John will ever be. ConanThe3rd fucked around with this message at 11:41 on Dec 29, 2019 |
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ConanThe3rd posted:It would be if he wasn't a lying bucket of poo poo himself, the comic wasn't paced like an ant moving a brick-house (Webtoons are kinda awful for that) and theres a multitude of "The super society hosed me in the arse" stories that do that theme so much better. Society *didn't* gently caress him in the rear end. He's at the top of the heap, his ability is about as great as it gets. The entire world is designed to glorify his existence and his actions. He took out drat near his entire school, and the only consequence was "Don't do it again" and moving him to another school. He's not tormented by how unfair society is to him, he's tormented by how unfair it is to everyone else and how it seemingly exists to turn people into monsters. quote:Shigaraki (MHA) is a better John than John will ever be. The loser sociopath who wants to burn the world to the ground because daddy didn't love him? When that schmuck dies it's going to be hilarious.
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Mulva posted:Society *didn't* gently caress him in the rear end. He's at the top of the heap, his ability is about as great as it gets. The entire world is designed to glorify his existence and his actions. He took out drat near his entire school, and the only consequence was "Don't do it again" and moving him to another school. He's not tormented by how unfair society is to him, he's tormented by how unfair it is to everyone else and how it seemingly exists to turn people into monsters. He was emotionally tortured for doing what the society teaches, bad enough that for a while he'd rather be constantly physically abused than risk being sent back into that program which reads to me a hell of a lot worse than a "Don't do it again" and moved along
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No, he lets himself be abused because he thinks he deserves it for being a monster.
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You're right I misremembered, he was merely tortured until he believed himself a monster
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doomrider7 posted:Totally agree about the outfits especially the Tenchi Muyo ones. On that note, what would you say were the things that made Tenchi Muyo unique and weird in that specific way that imitator miss? Well, one, it actually has the guts to admit that it's a harem fantasy and have Tenchi literally marry everybody and rule the galaxy with his seven or ten omnipotent wives. Not many harems actually cop to that. That isn't necessarily a good thing, but it does make it stand out. Two, it's more or less open about the fact that Tenchi is kind of a messed-up dude and that for him the primary appeal of a harem isn't sexual or even romantic, but is just his way of maintaining something like a normal family after his really weird and probably emotionally abusive upbringing. Honestly, I could talk for a long time about all the ways that show is weird. The third OVA revolves around somebody bringing in the Death Star to destroy the Earth, and nobody in the cast cares because that kind of petty business is beneath them and they're all very busy trying to get Mihoshi's idiot brother laid. (The fourth OVA is even weirder, more plotless, and dives even deeper into the author's fetishes.) Also, I am going to take this opportunity to complain that the guy who translated the True Tenchi Novels after I waited for fifteen years to be able to read them turned out to be alt-right and now I'll never get to.
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John's actions towards Seraphina are pretty much the only thing he's done that is actually wrong, though it's not too hard to understand why he'd obsess over keeping that one bit of "normalcy" in his life intact. I feel like the direction the story chooses to go at this point is pretty highly dependent upon the ideology of its writer. It's hard to say because the story supplies us with actual facts that reject the idea that "making high tiers be nice" is a solution (with Remi's brother basically doing exactly what many think John should do and failing miserably), but the characterization seems to portray the high tiers in a more positive/sympathetic light. On one hand we see John being an rear end in a top hat to Seraphina and causing her pain, but we also see direct acknowledgement that he is doing this because he was repeatedly abused by both the high tiers and the government. I'm pretty sure it's at least working towards Blyke (or some other high-tier) coming to an epiphany that his own trauma is the trauma low-tiers have always been subjected to. The person who commented on the pacing of the series isn't exactly wrong, though - I think I read over a year's worth or chapters last night just to get through some actual meaningful events. The "John beating people up while Arlo angsts about it" arc seemed to last forever. But the actual events of the story are surprisingly interesting and have the potential to be a pretty good political meta-commentary of sorts (though this is again highly dependent upon the author's own ideology and what they're trying to say).
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Back to WNL for a moment, but the last five minutes of the final episode of the anime not only did a gigantic time skip from the fireworks festival to the end of the manga, but very strongly indicates that the girl he held hands with when the firework went off was ... ~~****Uruka****~~. This has of course set off a huge shitstorm in the fandom. The mangaka has been cagey online, only saying that he loved the anime and he would do his best going forward ... pretty much what you'd expect. It makes sense, since the manga is really close to ending and they knew there wasn't much chance for a third cour of the anime, so they wanted closure. But 80% of the fandom is now trying to convince themselves that it was an anime-only ending.
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I vaguely recall that being the original implication too since I remember thinking there were enough little clues to eliminate who he was not holding hands with
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Mirage posted:Back to WNL for a moment, but the last five minutes of the final episode of the anime not only did a gigantic time skip from the fireworks festival to the end of the manga, but very strongly indicates that the girl he held hands with when the firework went off was ... ~~****Uruka****~~. This has of course set off a huge shitstorm in the fandom. The mangaka has been cagey online, only saying that he loved the anime and he would do his best going forward ... pretty much what you'd expect. Even if it was anime only I'll take it. Either way, it's a canon version that exists so it's there.
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Allarion posted:I vaguely recall that being the original implication too since I remember thinking there were enough little clues to eliminate who he was not holding hands with I recall it being Uruka there as well. I want to say that Based on the hair it eliminated Furuhashi and based on the position when the stumble happened only Uruka was nearby enough to help Yuiga
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I was reading through the manga again, and Uruka gets a lot of build up despite Fumino and Ogata getting some strong chapters All the girls in WNL get a fair shake at a certain point or another
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 Manga left it pretty vague. But Uruka should win. She makes the most sense and Nariyuki has no real reason to turn her down.
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I don't mind anyone winning but having t he answer spoiled sorta sucks if it turns out to be the case.
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https://mangadex.org/chapter/776081/1 New chapter of elio, is cool.
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