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ninjewtsu posted:I'm excited to see UC cruelly poo poo all over bright one last time and I'm gonna be real mad if that doesn't happen poo poo all over Bright all they want, but I better drat well get a Bright Slap out of it. It aint Bright if he aint slappin bitches.
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Dead Like Rev posted:poo poo all over Bright all they want, but I better drat well get a Bright Slap out of it. It aint Bright if he aint slappin bitches. Aren't we also due a mustache bright in this?
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Dead Like Rev posted:Wait, if Hathaways was "impossible to adapt" Whats their excuse for Crossbone? It's not very good?
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Gripweed posted:It's not very good? A thousand times this. Especially if they kept the art style.
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Gripweed posted:It's not very good? Ah yes, "it's not very good", an excuse that has stopped Gundam so many times. Truly, a series that has never allowed its quality to go down.
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Kingtheninja posted:Aren't we also due a mustache bright in this? I really hope not. Bright looks great with a full beard, but the Hathaway's Flash mustache is just terrible. Curious how this is going to end. Everyone knows the way the book ends, and just doing the same with a three movie series would be a bit of a death march, even with IBO showing that modern Sunrise is willing to let their writers kill protagonists. But changing it, unless it was done really well, would draw backlash for backing down. We'll see.
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Blaze Dragon posted:Ah yes, "it's not very good", an excuse that has stopped Gundam so many times. Truly, a series that has never allowed its quality to go down. I mean, most of the bad gundams I can think of were original works instead of adaptations
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ninjewtsu posted:I mean, most of the bad gundams I can think of were original works instead of adaptations Like uhh Seed and Seed Destiny? Cause dear god.
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Dead Like Rev posted:Like uhh Seed and Seed Destiny? Cause dear god. SEED isn't really worth that level of shock at its terribleness. It's just the original Gundam with terrible designs, and everything redone for mass appeal. Also lovely animation because they spent the budget on getting big musicians to VA bit parts for some reason. When SEED sucks, it's generally just "Oh, yeah. This show isn't very good." rather than Destiny and AGE's "HOW DID YOU gently caress THAT UP?" or Wing and ZZ and Victory (and G-Reco's) "Wait. What? WHAT?" (taken in tones of varying amusement depending on how fond you are of the show) Crossbone, meanwhile, is a popular design. Making a show risks exposing the people who like it to how bad the source is.
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There's few things funnier than the fact Bandai ran a poll after Unicorn ended asking what people wanted next, Crossbone won with something like 40% of the vote and Bandai's answer was "60% wins!" and they've proceeded to make every option on the poll that wasn't CrossbonePaper Kaiju posted:Remind me what makes it considered impossible to adapt? It's a sequel to basically an alternate universe version of Char's Counterattack, not the movie - Hathaway's driving motivation in the story is based on something that does not happen in the movie.
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Paper Kaiju posted:Remind me what makes it considered impossible to adapt? Nothing, and I don't recall it ever being stated to be impossible so much as that it'd need some changes if it were adapted and a lack of interest in doing so on Sunrise's part up until a few years ago. Dead Like Rev posted:poo poo all over Bright all they want, but I better drat well get a Bright Slap out of it. It aint Bright if he aint slappin bitches. I liked that Bright had moved on from slapping folks by ZZ, because it shows a maturity to his character. He was no longer using violence to solve issues, which was framed in 0079 as a failure on his part, and emblematic of the fact he was in over his head and had no idea how to command the people around him because he was barely older than most of them (he may have even been younger than a few, like Ryu) and hadn't even finished his training. Instead, he was not only trying to play to the strength of those people and corral them using charisma and diplomacy, but even let Judau slap him as a way to vent his frustrations over the Federation's actions. chiasaur11 posted:Curious how this is going to end. Everyone knows the way the book ends I'm actually unclear on one aspect of the ending, because while the common version is that Quess' ghost appears to mock Hathaway by saying she never loved him anyway, I read a summary a few years back that said that her ghost appears to do just the opposite and reaffirm her love for him and give him solace just before he dies. Which seems far more narratively appropriate given their relationship during Char's Counterattack and Beltorchika's Children, as well as more in line with Tomino's writing quirks. Tomino is infamous for killing his characters, and for being shocking by loving with good characters like Kamille, but I can't think of anything nearly as cruel in his writing as a ghost appearing to essentially mock and belittle someone just before they die at their father's hands after doing what they thought was the right thing. Newtype ghosts during Zeta were very self-aware and mature in a way that often they weren't during life, and even someone relatively immature and close to Quess in character like Sarah was immediately able to see that Scirocco was a bad dude that needed to be removed and stepped aside to allow the rest to help Kamille despite the fact she'd been so loyal to Scirocco when she was alive. Quess being so petty would kind of go against that depiction and seems like it'd just be misery-porn for the sake of it. I find the version of her where she appears to help Hathaway by saying she always loved him regardless of the past far more satisfying sounding, at least on paper, even though I've no idea if it's accurate or not and I wonder how much howling there'll be about Sunrise changing the ending if that's what actually happens in the novels and Sunrise are true to it, because people have become so attached to the narrative that Quess' ghost appears to poo poo all over Hathaway before he dies; even if it's not true (presuming it isn't, at least).
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chiasaur11 posted:SEED isn't really worth that level of shock at its terribleness. It's just the original Gundam with terrible designs, and everything redone for mass appeal. Also lovely animation because they spent the budget on getting big musicians to VA bit parts for some reason. Hey now how dare you insult Victory and Reconguista in G. Unborn space babies will have words with you.
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So there's this page in Glory of the Losers, and I really want to know, is this referenced literally anywhere else?
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Gripweed posted:So there's this page in Glory of the Losers, and I really want to know, is this referenced literally anywhere else? As far as I'm aware that's something GotL invented.
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Gripweed posted:So there's this page in Glory of the Losers, and I really want to know, is this referenced literally anywhere else? So it's a not-BuCUE?
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Kurieg posted:As far as I'm aware that's something GotL invented. And since Bandai is making a lot of the GotL kits P-Bandai, what it gets made.
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The first Crossbone is decent enough. You just gotta sand down the edges where the creators’ quirks show through and you’re golden. You know, like Marvel.
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Kurieg posted:As far as I'm aware that's something GotL invented. No, it's the proto-Warlock. Warlock itself is in Frozen Teardrop and there's also a flashback sequence referencing Zechs piloting proto-Warlock (iirc in the Second Lunar War).
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HitTheTargets posted:The first Crossbone is decent enough. You just gotta sand down the edges where the creators’ quirks show through and you’re golden. You know, like Marvel. Honestly all Crossbone needs to do to be good is have space pirate gundams doing cool action stuff. Clean up the art style (the reason Hasegawa gets work is because he does do good giant robots, everything else is middling to bad), Lean into the goofiness, and have some fun. Crossbone's pass is given because when it's on it's a lot of fun, and it definitely could be adapted into a good fun thing.
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Yeah, the original Crossbone is a pretty straightforward schlocky action story. Kid teams up with a team of noble pirate types to bring down an evil empire. Solid enough interactions, fun action, not amazing, but serviceable enough.
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The "impossible to adapt" angle with Hathaway's Flash isn't super convincing for me; sure, Beltorchika's Children doesn't 1/1 line up with CCA, but Hathaway was a dad-issue-ridden, team-killing piece of poo poo (and this must not be de-emphasized; the boy directly killed someone on his team at the age of like 14 or something) and at least was present when Char was giving his spiel that turned Quess to his side. I think they have enough room on why he would lead a misguided terrorist group without turning too many eyeballs.
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The story is good overall, and definitely very cynical. It's not as good as Gaia Gear though.
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MechaX posted:The "impossible to adapt" angle with Hathaway's Flash isn't super convincing for me; sure, Beltorchika's Children doesn't 1/1 line up with CCA, but Hathaway was a dad-issue-ridden, team-killing piece of poo poo (and this must not be de-emphasized; the boy directly killed someone on his team at the age of like 14 or something) and at least was present when Char was giving his spiel that turned Quess to his side. I think they have enough room on why he would lead a misguided terrorist group without turning too many eyeballs. Except the reason for his Terrorism in HF has little to do with any of that. And you can emphasise the team killing all you want, the difference is HF was specifically written about a version of Hathaway who didn't. Now it's still not "impossible to adapt " but that's marketing nonsense
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Onmi posted:Except the reason for his Terrorism in HF has little to do with any of that. And you can emphasise the team killing all you want, the difference is HF was specifically written about a version of Hathaway who didn't. Now it's still not "impossible to adapt " but that's marketing nonsense That's... exactly what I said though? He's seemingly still a terrorist in this version despite it not lining up with the old version, but I would bet they can still find a different reason that makes sense
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Szmitten posted:Do we actually want Crossbone or do we want an F91 continuation? We want a Gundam Wing prequel about Moon War II
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Szmitten posted:Do we actually want Crossbone or do we want an F91 continuation? Yes.
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drrockso20 posted:So more stuff for that Gundam 40th Anniversary redesign came out, still can't access the actual videos but from seeing some screencaps it looks pretty interesting Is there a G40 Industrial Design Zaku II yet.
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Lemon-Lime posted:Is there a G40 Industrial Design Zaku II yet. It's in the little promo video they did https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vq3___n2CPE
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Gripweed posted:It's in the little promo video they did Other than the curved shield that looks pretty much identical to a normal Zaku II.  Shame when the G40 Gundam is a much more different design.
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Paper Kaiju posted:Remind me what makes it considered impossible to adapt? I'm of the mind that anime trailers like Hathaway's Flash make bold statements like that as a force of habit rather than having real grounding behind their claims. I mean when they were doing the trailers for The Origin they kept going in about how controversial it was going to be. It's hyperbolic hype promotion more than anything else. It's cute in a way. It reminds me of old 90s shows that are convinced of their own importance even as they turn out to be goofy romps.
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Those were some very polite Zaku pilots. I guess when you live in Space Italy and your colony is shaped like a giant Ferrari wheel you need a certain amount of class.
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MechaX posted:That's... exactly what I said though? He's seemingly still a terrorist in this version despite it not lining up with the old version, but I would bet they can still find a different reason that makes sense They could, but it would dramatically change the character in pretty enormous ways that would make it diverge a lot. Hathaway in the original version was hailed as a hero for his actions - the kid that brought down a giant mobile armor in a Jegan! Wow! - and nailed a cushy government job and spent years being a good little citizen, working in the system from the inside, and growing increasingly bitter about its corruption and regretful at his actions helping to uphold it until he becomes a terrorist. He's a noble, somewhat tragic character who ends up becoming a criminal for altruistic reasons, which imbues his eventual end with pathos(even ignoring the pointlessly cruel "Yeah Bright ordered him shot without knowing, lol" bit). You could rework this to "Hathaway becomes a malcontent terrorist because he's full of frustrated rage about Quess's death and/or he got in trouble for shooting Chan", but this strips all the nobility out of the character and dramatically changes his entire arc. You're not supposed to be rooting for Hathaway to die by firing squad, but I have a feeling a lot of people would. Of course, the loving easiest thing in the world to do to adapt Hathaway's Flash with no issues is to just include a 10-15 minute opener in the first episode that shows what happened in Beltorchika's Children in the Hathaway/Quess fight and handwave it not jibing with CCA in the same way they handwave away the Origin OVAs not jibing with Mobile Suit Gundam. "Impossible to adapt" is complete bullshit.
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Kanos posted:They could, but it would dramatically change the character in pretty enormous ways that would make it diverge a lot. Hathaway in the original version was hailed as a hero for his actions - the kid that brought down a giant mobile armor in a Jegan! Wow! - and nailed a cushy government job and spent years being a good little citizen, working in the system from the inside, and growing increasingly bitter about its corruption and regretful at his actions helping to uphold it until he becomes a terrorist. He's a noble, somewhat tragic character who ends up becoming a criminal for altruistic reasons, which imbues his eventual end with pathos(even ignoring the pointlessly cruel "Yeah Bright ordered him shot without knowing, lol" bit). They could keep the audience on Hathaway's side if they focus on how monstrous what the Federation is doing is. Forced deportation is a crime against humanity. The Federation is doing it on an immense scale. It would be easy for the movie to present Mufti as largely in the right, and Hathaway as doing the right thing in joining them.
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