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Pener Kropoopkin posted:all the organizational skills and theoretical knowledge in the world can't make up for a total lack of social skills. Learn how to read a room. This is not the right thread to import forums drama into when there's already a dedicated forums drama thread. that is by the way, a thread where apropos went to the mat for a poster that dismissed the distress of poor people being unfairly banned that couldn't rereg as "unhealthy," because they claimed to be trans and caught a sixer. I guess I haven't been following forums drama such that I would be aware what is being imported. Sounds bad, though
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Autism Sneaks posted:I'm actually Fred Hampton aged 71 in hiding after my attempted assasination for 50 years and I'm outing myself just to tell you how much of a loquacious bore and feckless organizer he is with the authority you seem to crave 
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Mr. Lobe posted:Y'all talk poo poo about him but as much as I can tell he is far more seriously involved in organizing work than any of you. I would be interested in being corrected if I am wrong though. he sure seems to find a lot of time for 10,000 word posts online
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maybe if they organized more we wouldn't have to read their posts!!!
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Mr. Lobe posted:Y'all talk poo poo about him but as much as I can tell he is far more seriously involved in organizing work than any of you. I would be interested in being corrected if I am wrong though. there's people who organize for the kkk should we respect them too
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Peanut President posted:there's people who organize for the kkk should we respect them too lmao
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Peanut President posted:there's people who organize for the kkk should we respect them too you may think they're a blowhard, and I don't know what's up with the forum's drama thing, but that's a hell of a way to talk about a nurse's union organizer
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Mr. Lobe posted:you may think they're a blowhard, and I don't know what's up with the forum's drama thing, but that's a hell of a way to talk about a nurse's union organizer you're acting like I know who you're talking about
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Peanut President posted:you're acting like I know who you're talking about the boston bomber
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freckle posted:the boston bomber rip
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If you haven't done half the work for the movement as those two fine young men, kindly STFU.
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you know who else liked to organize things?
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freckle posted:Marie Kondo *holds up communist manifesto* this one sparks joy
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organize what?
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https://twitter.com/AnarchoKhomeini/status/1212115470750560258?s=20 lmao sure dude
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freckle posted:Marie Kondo ah yes, the new front for Aleph
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i do actually like apropos, but i do skip over his posts whenever they are too long or just wrong i refuse to believe they have 200 fighters
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Taintrunner posted:https://twitter.com/AnarchoKhomeini/status/1212115470750560258?s=20 i loving hate guys like this who are constantly technically right lol. hey buddy, generally speaking the church has always hated commies and believe it or not but its usually not us that starts that fight
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Atrocious Joe posted:i do actually like apropos, but i do skip over his posts whenever they are too long or just wrong he is just incredibly easy to make fun of and generally very fragile, as all trots are, so when hes not being a holier than thou moron i dont mind them. it's too easy to make a one like newspaper crack and receive a 3 paragraph response
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Larry Parrish posted:i loving hate guys like this who are constantly technically right lol. hey buddy, generally speaking the church has always hated commies and believe it or not but its usually not us that starts that fight the technically correct version would be "religious organizations" not "religious people" i think.
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Larry Parrish posted:i loving hate guys like this who are constantly technically right lol. hey buddy, generally speaking the church has always hated commies and believe it or not but its usually not us that starts that fight Funny thing, that's not the angle that guy is coming from. Check out that guys account, he's like a twelver shia Muslim convert, complete with convert's zeal. Wild stuff
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oh so he's just an insane person. never mind who gives a poo poo
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I dunno, I think it's pretty funny when strange ideologues grasp onto highly specific and obscure religious sects. At least, when they do so in a relatively harmless way like just being a twitter crank about it all day like that guy
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Mr. Lobe posted:Funny thing, that's not the angle that guy is coming from. Check out that guys account, he's like a twelver shia Muslim convert, complete with convert's zeal. Wild stuff Sounds like he really wants to win some arguments
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No, hes actually right because my union does a bunch of stuff with the Jesuits for food drives,healthcare, child care,some of the prominent scholars of Marxism In my country had a Jesuit education etc...not everything in a activist movement has to be quid pro quo. a lot of the rank and file priests were allies with the left during the dictatorship in my country, helping people escape or evade the secret police. On the other hand, many of them where also snitches to the secret police, so many sides, ymmv, etc.
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Taintrunner posted:https://twitter.com/AnarchoKhomeini/status/1212115470750560258?s=20 drat it's the third Biederman brother, no wonder Felix is always making Twelver jokes
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Antifa Poltergeist posted:No, hes actually right because my union does a bunch of stuff with the Jesuits for food drives,healthcare, child care,some of the prominent scholars of Marxism In my country had a Jesuit education etc...not everything in a activist movement has to be quid pro quo. Sure, the fact that he is a crank spouting strange hyperbole doesn't change that he is vaguely gesturing towards a good point, which is that it's counterproductive to be antagonistic to religious people about their religion in the process of trying to win them to leftist politics organizing with them. I don't think that is actually a problem outside of the obscene joke that is leftist politics on the internet though
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It's only a problem when these people star hyperventilating about it as a wrecking tactic IMO
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Atrocious Joe posted:i refuse to believe they have 200 fighters 10 fighters, 190 currently embroiled in struggle session
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Mr. Lobe posted:Sure, the fact that he is a crank spouting strange hyperbole doesn't change that he is vaguely gesturing towards a good point, which is that it's counterproductive to be antagonistic to religious people about their religion in the process of trying to win them to leftist politics organizing with them. I don't think that is actually a problem outside of the obscene joke that is leftist politics on the internet though Yeah, I get what youre saying.only I don't think it is just internet politics.theres a de facto animosity between the "power" structures of the socialist and Communist movements and religion, for a variety of reasons that people way smarter than me have expounded on. We only got to work with the Jesuits because there where interpersonal relationships at work there.and yet it was a no-brainer to help people's daily lives that we were kinda gobsmacked why we didn't do it earlier. I kinda been thinking on this for a awhile now because these people have incredible organisational,intelectual and logistics infrastructures that we sorely need, and there's got to be a way to bring them to our side and build some bridges, whitout making us suddenly be anti-abortion. It might just be as simple as finding the common cause of helping your fellow man. i realise this might be difficult on your side of the pond with your particular brand of crazy Christianity,which is different from my country particular brand of crazy Christianity.
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it's kind of an impossible task in the US because we dont have a particular sect as a majority. well, not an organized one anyway. and then you have like, the Catholics and Mormons that are organized but dont really mesh together at all because heretics. this is what happens when you fill your stupid nation with missionary faiths and just let them duke it out. so it's all going to be an an individual, interpersonal basis, at which point your not organizing with religious orgs specifically so whatever.
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Basically you just have to go on a case by case basis. A lot of local churches are extremely good and you absolutely should be working with them.
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"State Atheism" is redundant in a country with a disestablishmentary tradition like the United States anyway.
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Atrocious Joe posted:i refuse to believe they have 200 fighters apparently they self-reported 200 years ago and even then said all but about 5 of those were locals the group had hired or otherwise recruited; even if they actually had that many I'd call the ideological commitment of those fighters questionable at best. there's also an incredible dearth of information about them on the Internet - a small number of articles which all reference each other, one or two interviews, half a dozen or so photos in which there are never more than ten people visible, and a few grainy cell phone videos, including one of them engaged in a pitched firefight with the Syrian government in Aleppo in 2016, in which there are about 20 fighters visible. as far as I can tell the group disbanded as an active independent group by 2018 at the latest, possibly earlier (most of the group's founders were apparently back in Argentina by late 2017), and while some of its fighters may still be active in the TFSA on an individual basis they're not openly calling themselves Trotskyists anymore. the brigade's newspaper was apparently still being published as recently as February 2019 in Arabic and English, or at least that's the most recent edition I can find of it it fuckin figures that the last surviving part of the Trotskyist FSA faction would be its newspaper
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Need some Marxian analysis of the coming war with Iran https://twitter.com/snackvampire/status/1212904229574037504
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BrutalistMcDonalds posted:i have my issues with them but it's going to take me down a convoluted history of marcyism which is probably less important in the grand scheme of things (and more my own intellectual masturbation) than people just joining an org and doing stuff lets see the convoluted history of marcyism though
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let's all get drafted and desert together boys. john brown brigade for the modern era
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