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Krispy Wafer posted:WHERE IS THE POWER BUTTON ON THIS MAC! Sir, this is a Wendy’s drive thru.
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Feb 2, 2020 21:45
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Binary Badger posted:Modern macOS (Mojave and later) eat up a lot of RAM; on my current 2015 rMBP with 16 GB RAM and only running Safari to shitpost, almost 5 GB is used, with a file cache of 2 GB, almost 7 GB in use right there. macOS RAM management being what it is, it'd probably take up less if I had only 8 GB physical RAM; unless you only plan to shitpost and Netflix, it's probably enough. But to run anything professional, 8 GB is starving yourself for no good reason and its nowhere near enough if you plan on running any VMs. Unused ram is still powered, weakly. Caches are evicted in memory pressure situations. macOS has had memory compression for years. 4GB, which dell sells on >$1000 earth dollar laptops, is far too low for modern stuff. Might be fine for chromebooks, but still, u ain't doin much 8GB is perfectly fine to shitpost and facebook/tik tok/whatever the kids are doing. Low for pro use tbh, but not a deal-killer 16GB is useful for anyone with multiple memory heavy apps, like certain IDEs and VMs, certain editing apps and the like. This is a good level. 32GB is basically overkill, but isn't ultra expensive either; just mostly pointless 64GB is a waste and only useful in certain very specialized situations (some apps are memory limited but this is rare after 32GB) Malcolm XML fucked around with this message at 23:27 on Feb 2, 2020 |
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Feb 2, 2020 23:24
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If you really think about it, the 8-core $6k Mac Pro ain’t that bad of a deal. Wait 3 years and pick up a top shelf 28-core CPU for $1k. Do the swap yourself. Throw 256gb of RAM into it for another grand. GPU upgrade, $500. NVMe storage- $200. Use it for the next decade
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Feb 2, 2020 23:48
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Electric Bugaloo posted:If you really think about it, the 8-core $6k Mac Pro ain’t that bad of a deal. Wait 3 years and pick up a top shelf 28-core CPU for $1k. Do the swap yourself. Throw 256gb of RAM into it for another grand. GPU upgrade, $500. NVMe storage- $200. Use it for the next decade Still using my 2009 Mac Pro and it ya does everything just fine. RX 580 in it and I can even game on it too.
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Feb 2, 2020 23:53
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16gb ram minimum, 32gb preferred, 64gb sweet spot.
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Feb 3, 2020 00:57
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Lol okay
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Feb 3, 2020 00:59
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Sweet spot lmao. Just a complete rube of a post
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Feb 3, 2020 01:00
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When I was developing highly concurrent simulations (not on a Mac to be fair), I used a shitload of RAM so I could keep big datasets contiguous in memory and bounce around them, such was the nature of the work. And of course spawning more workers took shitload of RAM * workers. The highly divergent nature of the simulation meant each worker really couldn't share much RAM; I could blow through hundreds of gigs of RAM if you'd have given me a wide enough CPU. Anyhow, so when work finally answered my prayers to build me a big workstation, because debugging this stuff specifically in highly threaded workloads was what I needed to do, and it was easier locally, they gave me everything I wanted ... except instead of 64GB RAM like I asked, they gave me 32. I'll never understand that. It wasn't even a big change to the overall price. They just made that decision without me. Anyhow ... if you're building a Mac Pro, there might be a reason you'd want 64GB or more!
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Feb 3, 2020 01:45
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Pivo posted:
I’d say 99% people maxing out their hardware grant money.
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Feb 3, 2020 01:53
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Malcolm XML posted:Unused ram is still powered, weakly. Caches are evicted in memory pressure situations. macOS has had memory compression for years. Wrong but okay. Gonna run “VMs” on 16gb? The gently caress?
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benisntfunny posted:Wrong but okay. Gonna run “VMs” on 16gb? The gently caress? Yeah, 32 is the minimum for VMs these days. Heck, if you compile on a regular basis and have a lot of cores, each thread may take several gigs of ram. I thought 64 was overkill on my 2970wx build but routinely ran out of memory when doing embedded Linux builds.
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Feb 3, 2020 03:07
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Well yeah, no poo poo if you assign 128gb to a Windows VM or whatever it goes away. "Are you going to do VMs or not?" is a question that leads down two completely separate paths for use cases and general experience with different RAM configurations.
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Feb 3, 2020 03:20
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ratbert90 posted:Yeah, 32 is the minimum for VMs these days. Yeah. I kind of think that post was actually stuck on hitting send from like 2012.
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Feb 3, 2020 04:22
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Fallom posted:Well yeah, no poo poo if you assign 128gb to a Windows VM or whatever it goes away. "Are you going to do VMs or not?" is a question that leads down two completely separate paths for use cases and general experience with different RAM configurations. Yeah the VM discussion is valid but a separate use case. Like how much ram do I need for x is not the same as how much ram do I need to run 3 other operating systems and applications. For non VM/dev work 16 is good, 32 is future proof past your processor, 64 is ‘I hope u know why you need this’. More ram = good but mm on macOS is pretty good to.
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Feb 3, 2020 04:41
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Fallom posted:Well yeah, no poo poo if you assign 128gb to a Windows VM or whatever it goes away. "Are you going to do VMs or not?" is a question that leads down two completely separate paths for use cases and general experience with different RAM configurations. Did you ignore everything I said about compiling? Heck, a complicated c++ program using 24 cores to compile could eat a gig or two EACH. That’s 48 gigs while compiling.
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Feb 3, 2020 05:15
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So the answer is yes then, right? We are all in agreement that actually spending $6k on a Mac Pro now to spend $2k upgrading it later is actually the smartest move and makes you the shrewdest coolguy?
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Feb 3, 2020 05:27
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Electric Bugaloo posted:So the answer is yes then, right? We are all in agreement that actually spending $6k on a Mac Pro now to spend $2k upgrading it later is actually the smartest move and makes you the shrewdest coolguy? We’ve known this since the Mac Pro came out in 2013.
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Feb 3, 2020 08:50
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jokes posted:We’ve known this since the Mac Pro came out in 2013. wtf is this
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Feb 3, 2020 08:53
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Wish they’d release the new 13 inch with the good keyboard already. I need a replacement laptop by the end of the month and I’m afraid the 16” is too huge.
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Feb 3, 2020 09:01
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16" is too huge but they also won't release a 13" by the end of the month. Choose wisely.
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Feb 3, 2020 09:06
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Electric Bugaloo posted:wtf is this According to popularity on the internet, spending a lot of money for the ability to upgrade a Mac has always been a big brain thing since the 2013 Mac Pro? There’s even drivers of dubious quality for Nvidia GPUs I believe if you wanted to escape from AMD.
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Feb 3, 2020 09:09
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jokes posted:According to popularity on the internet, spending a lot of money for the ability to upgrade a Mac has always been a big brain thing since the 2013 Mac Pro? There’s even drivers of dubious quality for Nvidia GPUs I believe if you wanted to escape from AMD. That’s not possible since 2013 is the year the trashcan was launched and nobody ever made any replacement GPUs for it
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Feb 3, 2020 09:12
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Electric Bugaloo posted:That’s not possible since 2013 is the year the trashcan was launched and nobody ever made any replacement GPUs for it Wow I did some research and never realized when people told me they managed to mess with non-standard GPUs it was basically solely through eGPUs. I feel almost lied to. A part of me was like “yeah thermals might be poo poo but maybe you can shove a low profile 1080 in there” or something but that thing was locked down.
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Feb 3, 2020 09:21
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Electric Bugaloo posted:So the answer is yes then, right? We are all in agreement that actually spending $6k on a Mac Pro now to spend $2k upgrading it later is actually the smartest move and makes you the shrewdest coolguy? As a professional no, as a consumer probably? For CPUs we have to wait and see how the market develops in the future. Cascade Lake X is not shaping up to be the most popular CPU and plenty of people will have the same idea (upgrading a Mac Pro for cheap later on), so these may still sell for $$$$ in a decade unless you get lucky and a FAANG company dumps a large amount of them on eBay from retired servers because new found security vulnerabilities made them useless to them.  RAM can be upgraded but a risk of memory errors/incompatibility remains because Macs are notoriously sensitive to third party memory and you have no way of correcting the settings if the standard (JEDEC?) settings throw ECC errors. The native SSDs boot are currently not upgradable but secondary NVMe via PCIe makes sense. GPUs are probably the easiest and most reliable part to upgrade, though you get more fan noise and the Apple solutions might be more powerful than what you can buy aftermarket (depends on your workload). All in all I think upgrading a base Mac Pro completely defeats the purpose of having a stable, warrantied professional workstation but if I were to buy one myself as a consumer I’d go the same route because of the pricing. It is also worth remembering that one could buy ~36 cores worth of Mac Minis for the price of one base 8 core Mac Pro, which would probably embarrass the latter for any workloads that are parallel enough to be spread across multiple machines (video rendering, hosting, perhaps compiling code, etc).
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My 2015 rMBP came up with a service battery warning last week and to be fair the battery life tanked pretty badly. So I was ready to get the drat thing replaced, but then after a reboot the message dissapeared and the battery life went back to normal. I mean checking on coconut battery the design life is close to 80% anyway, but is it normal for the service battery thing to just dissapear?
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Feb 3, 2020 14:34
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Fallom posted:Well yeah, no poo poo if you assign 128gb to a Windows VM or whatever it goes away. "Are you going to do VMs or not?" is a question that leads down two completely separate paths for use cases and general experience with different RAM configurations. A few years ago I told IT I needed to run a handful of VMs at the same time on my prospective new laptop and they got me the prerequisite 16GB RAM....... ... but only the dual core i5. Death to procurement.
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Feb 3, 2020 15:31
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Binary Badger posted:You'd probably be safe with a Samsung 860 EVO, as the SSDs Apple themselves used at the time were just OEM versions of the Samsung SATA SSDs available at that time, which were 830's and 840s. SanDisk is also Mac friendly as they used to have a Mac-specific firmware updater for some of their drives. Update on this, I got a WD Blue 240 GB and it works perfectly.
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Feb 3, 2020 17:46
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FCKGW posted:Still using my 2009 Mac Pro and it ya does everything just fine. RX 580 in it and I can even game on it too. 
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Feb 3, 2020 21:33
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track day bro! posted:My 2015 rMBP came up with a service battery warning last week and to be fair the battery life tanked pretty badly. So I was ready to get the drat thing replaced, but then after a reboot the message dissapeared and the battery life went back to normal. I mean checking on coconut battery the design life is close to 80% anyway, but is it normal for the service battery thing to just dissapear? 80% is the cutoff point that Apple considers a battery to be consumed, which would trigger the service battery warning. Below that it and gets triggered. Sometimes if you let the battery run down to zero, then quickly plug it into AC power, you can reset the reading of the battery's capacity by a few percent, above 80% the service battery message disappears, the second it hits 79.999999% the service battery appears. If I were you I'd save a screenshot of the service battery message and take it in to the Fruit Stand to be replaced, and if it happens to be at 80.5% or some poo poo like that, show the techs that service battery screenshot. Binary Badger fucked around with this message at 21:44 on Feb 3, 2020 |
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Feb 3, 2020 21:42
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Electric Bugaloo posted:That’s not possible since 2013 is the year the trashcan was launched and nobody ever made any replacement GPUs for it This is pretty much because no one wanted to make a special GPU build that 1) had no fan on it and 2) had to be made in two flavors; both at a reduced size from standard PCIe boards (to fit inside the 2013) and one had to have a pass-through quasi-NVMe slot installed in the middle of it to be used as the system drive. To top it off, that quasi-NVMe slot had to be pared down to PCIe 2.0 spec. Only AMD wound up making three variants (D300, D500, D700) of this wacky card, most likely under contract from Apple. "Don't worry, everyone will wind up needing two GPUs!" Whomever was responsible for the design of the TrashCan should be taken out back and shot, with prejudice. It wound up making Apple look like an rear end to all the people who had bought their previous Mac Pros. Binary Badger fucked around with this message at 21:54 on Feb 3, 2020 |
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Feb 3, 2020 21:51
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Nothing like having to reboot because your touchbar is blank
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Feb 7, 2020 12:42
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Bob Morales posted:Nothing like having to reboot because your touchbar is blank This happens to me every now and then. ps wwaux | grep -i touchbarserver | awk '{ print $2 }' | sudo xargs kill -9 Annoying, yes, but easier than rebooting. e: Or "sudo pkill TouchBarServer" of those of us who aren't addicted to needless complexity. some kinda jackal fucked around with this message at 14:04 on Feb 7, 2020 |
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Feb 7, 2020 13:39
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Sounds like the 16-inch Pro struggles to stay cool under heavy load when a bunch of stuff is plugged in: https://discussions.apple.com/thread/250878229?answerId=251840814022#251840814022 quote:It became really clear the combined heat from the internal Radeon Pro 5500m GPU and the i9-9880G CPU is too much for the current thermal management system, especially when using all USB-C ports. (I.e., for power, USB-C hub, USB-C to Display Port video cables). From all the testing and heat generated by the unit, it looks like our Radeon Pro 5500m GPU is fried because we are seeing artifacts on text (laptop display and external monitors) but not when we use the eGPU.
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Feb 7, 2020 20:55
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Weedle posted:Sounds like the 16-inch Pro struggles to stay cool under heavy load when a bunch of stuff is plugged in: FAN issues If you use the computer, it will get hot. News at ten Macrumors has a ridiculous thread about it as well with people returning their machines because the fans come on
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Feb 7, 2020 22:16
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Martytoof posted:This happens to me every now and then. Didn't work, I had tried that. The system didn't even see the touchbar anymore.
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Feb 7, 2020 22:17
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Weedle posted:Sounds like the 16-inch Pro struggles to stay cool under heavy load when a bunch of stuff is plugged in: I, too, struggle to stay cool under pressure This machine was made for me Bob Morales posted:Didn't work, I had tried that. The system didn't even see the touchbar anymore. Ah sucks, was worth a try. I’m really disappointed with the QC in MacOS these past few years. It’s stable and usable on the whole, but I’ve experienced enough bugs in enough frequency on enough machines that I have to believe that these are common enough across the board. Which makes me wonder — like does Tim Apple use his laptop and just lose the touchbar every so often or get dropped from wifi or just have his Keychain just explode after he changes his password? some kinda jackal fucked around with this message at 22:27 on Feb 7, 2020 |
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Feb 7, 2020 22:23
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I would bet money that Tim and possibly many of the higher management don't use Macbooks at all anymore
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Last Chance posted:I would bet money that Tim and possibly many of the higher management don't use Macbooks at all anymore iPads with keyboards more likely
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