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Ive been thinking about laius` desires, and other than rescuing Farlyn, what are his actual desires? Run the dungeon as a thriving ecosystem where monsters and castle dwellers and outsiders can live in harmony?
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This is the best drat manga. I love every single page of the last chapter, and there's almost too many things to repost that kicked rear end, that'd just be reposting every page. But drat, that full page spread of the giant demon goat bursting out of the ground I think Laius' desires are to learn about every monster and eat them.
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Mar 14, 2020 18:12
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AgentHaiTo posted:I think Laius' desires are to learn about every monster and eat them. Winged Lion: "What is that you desire?" Laius: "I want to eat all monsters." Winged Lion: "Wish granted." *Laius pulls out knife and fork* Winged Lion: "Wait poo poo"
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Mar 14, 2020 18:26
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Is this manga perfect? I think this is a perfect thing. We seem all set for the final arc after this chapter, and whatever happens it's going to be comprehensive and satisfying, the love that goes into this is just incredible.
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Mar 14, 2020 18:38
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Aw dang, that little smile on the last page. I think you missed a desire, goat monster. Telfeporter's feeling desirous.
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Mar 14, 2020 18:53
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Tetracube posted:[spoiler]So unless there's a big fakeout (not entirely unlikely), the winged lion is a demon. Which explains why it chose Laius, because he has weird as gently caress desires. Does this mean the whole kingdom that exists down in the dungeon is another fake world? The people in there seem to have their desires eaten, which would indicate they are in fact real people even if the world itself is fake. The people in the fake world still have desires they are just completely numb to things like taste as a consequence of living so long in a small unchanging bubble. The dragon is just a monster Thistle tied directly to the dungeon. Farlyn just ended up connected to it because her body was in such poor shape they had to use the dragon's meat to help the spell and Marcielle used the equivellent of necromancy instead of the revival spell to bring her back which mixed their beings together. Thistle then had her changed to the harpy dragon thing so she could defend the dungeon in the dragons place. Tetracube posted:what was Thistle's actual stated motivation, it's been so long I can't remember
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Mar 14, 2020 19:35
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yum posted:
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Mar 14, 2020 20:02
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I believe that Laius will accomplish his dreams.
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Mar 14, 2020 20:11
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Squidster posted:That's a crazy attention to detail from the creator. Flipping through, I just noticed that Thistle's magic tome also has a goat eye. Alternatively, the book and the lion were both the same entity originally until Thistle separated them and kept the "power" locked up while binding the demon to a tome. It's worth pointing out there is a winged Lion within the Ars Goetia named Vapula so it's not like the lion isn't from the Doom Hell dimension in some way.
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Mar 14, 2020 20:17
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the reunion is going to have a lot to look forward to, Laius and Kabru meeting up again, Captain meeting Laius, seeing if Marcille's family background gets brought up with the Canaries.
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Mar 14, 2020 20:21
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Brought To You By posted:Alternatively, the book and the lion were both the same entity originally until Thistle separated them and kept the "power" locked up while binding the demon to a tome. It's worth pointing out there is a winged Lion within the Ars Goetia named Vapula so it's not like the lion isn't from the Doom Hell dimension in some way. 
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Mar 14, 2020 20:41
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Can Of Worms posted:The lion's final form:  Forgot that Buer also made an appearance.
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Mar 14, 2020 20:48
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Can Of Worms posted:The lion's final form: When a Buer rolls along You must whip it
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Mar 14, 2020 20:50
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Maybe I'm missing something, but was Misurn actually the lord of the dungeon? He went there with the rest of the canaries got into the room where he broke the mirror, and was then found in the same room by those same canaries. Were the things that were shown while he was the dungeon lord actually happen?
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Mar 14, 2020 22:20
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SITB posted:Maybe I'm missing something, but was Misurn actually the lord of the dungeon? He went there with the rest of the canaries got into the room where he broke the mirror, and was then found in the same room by those same canaries. The two who found him were part of his team, but he was shown to have found the mirror by itself. Since his lover was actually a Lamia, it probably happened. The mirror room was also all messed up.
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Mar 14, 2020 22:35
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The art in this is just perfect. The characters are so cute that just watching them talk makes me smile, but they're also so expressive when it switches to drama or horror. The closest comparison I can think of is Naoki Urasawa.
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Mar 14, 2020 22:54
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lol at misurn thinking he wasn't able to sleep without a magic spell but in reality just needed somebody to tuck him in all nice and then kabru immediately wakes him up to make him take a poo poo
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Mar 14, 2020 23:04
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Lurking Haro posted:The two who found him were part of his team, but he was shown to have found the mirror by itself. His lover didn't appear as a Lamia initially though, only later when the goat grew stronger, and the entire thing seems like an illusion given the fact that he seemingly haven't left the room where he found the mirror and how he was shown to thinking he warded off some robbers outside and yet spent all his time in the same room. Like, Thistle moves around in the dungeon but Misurn was seemingly confined to one room despite being the dungeon lord which strikes me as odd.
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Mar 15, 2020 07:10
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SITB posted:His lover didn't appear as a Lamia initially though, only later when the goat grew stronger, and the entire thing seems like an illusion given the fact that he seemingly haven't left the room where he found the mirror and how he was shown to thinking he warded off some robbers outside and yet spent all his time in the same room. Like, Thistle moves around in the dungeon but Misurn was seemingly confined to one room despite being the dungeon lord which strikes me as odd. It might depend on their respective desires. Thistle is, like, looking for the king, wants to keep other people out and protect the kingdom, and all that. Misurn, meanwhile, just wanted a different life and wasn't concerned with the outside world, thus having no reason to leave. Heck, for all we know Misurn could have left, but just didn't. Could also depend on the particular demon doing things. Or it's because Thistle somehow locked up the winged lion or whatever that was.
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Mar 15, 2020 07:53
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SITB posted:His lover didn't appear as a Lamia initially though, only later when the goat grew stronger, and the entire thing seems like an illusion given the fact that he seemingly haven't left the room where he found the mirror and how he was shown to thinking he warded off some robbers outside and yet spent all his time in the same room. Like, Thistle moves around in the dungeon but Misurn was seemingly confined to one room despite being the dungeon lord which strikes me as odd. We never see her having a normal lower body and the panel after we first see her, Misurn has her snake body right next him. Just before he goes after the gold collectors. The other elves who joined him don't show up again, one lying dead next to the collectors. Kabru left out too much details. Roland Jones posted:It might depend on their respective desires. Thistle is, like, looking for the king, wants to keep other people out and protect the kingdom, and all that. Misurn, meanwhile, just wanted a different life and wasn't concerned with the outside world, thus having no reason to leave. Heck, for all we know Misurn could have left, but just didn't. Yeah, Thistle keeps the Winged Lion under control. The goat was done with Misurn in short time.
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Mar 15, 2020 10:44
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Lube Enthusiast posted:A little disappointed he doesn’t just have a natural, lazy eye. Small quote unquote imperfections like that are never seen in manga That kinda bummed me out too because it was literally the first time I saw representation of this, for myself
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Mar 15, 2020 20:05
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so like, misurn and kabru are thinking specifically about Laius as especially susceptible to demons, right? But I think basically everyone in that group really is. they all have weird desires and hangups that’d be prime demon bait: - Laius has his hyperfixation on monsters and being that particular kind of transhumanist furry - Marcille has all kinds of baggage about her human family and friends growing old and dying while she's still young, as per the nightmare encounter - Chilchack has the thing with his family - Senshi could probably be tempted by something about the miner guys he used to hang out with - Izutsumi is izutsumi Like every one of them is super fuckin susceptible to getting manipulated like that. Although I think like in general anyone who makes it that deep into the dungeon must have Issues on some level. Kabru and misurn have their respective revenge fantasies going on too, after all, and most canaries are screwups who messed with demons/black magic previously, too. plus like, nobody becomes an adventurer in the first place because their life is going according to plan. And a lot of the monsters on the last two levels have specifically dealt with desires and insecurities, to speed that process up and get anyone thinking about what a particular winged lion could do for them I think it'd be kinda neat if towards the end we get a sequence like the bit with the anti-spiral from gurren lagann, where the whole cast is just stuck in whatever dream worlds appeal to them and have to figure out how to break out
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Mar 15, 2020 20:29
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good desires aren't mundane. it's why misurn was a failed host.
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Mar 15, 2020 21:02
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noether posted:so like, misurn and kabru are thinking specifically about Laius as especially susceptible to demons, right? But I think basically everyone in that group really is. they all have weird desires and hangups that’d be prime demon bait: Even though the others have their own motivations, the Winged Lion choosing Laius is really similar to Misurn and the demon goat. Misurn also had his own group of companions, and despite Kabru's truncation of the story, we're told that they had their own motivations and complex relationships. In the end, they all died off one by one. The dungeon demon may manipulate other but I suspect it likes to latch on to one individual. Seems like something simiar could happen to Laius and the party as well.
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Mar 15, 2020 21:13
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Itsuzumi tries to pull the same 'two souls two desires' trick on the demon that saved her from succubi, but it just gives fish and headpats, and bith are satisfied.
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Mar 15, 2020 21:13
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gimme the GOD drat candy posted:good desires aren't mundane. it's why misurn was a failed host. I mean yeah, but like marcille's anxieties about death and farlyn's failed resurrection in the nightmare chapter seem like a pretty clear parallel to what thistle's demon was latching onto, and ditto for chilchack's family/misurn's love interest. the "mundane" desires misurn mentions are things like material wealth and biological needs. it seems like most of the party's baggage is more abstract and personal than that, which at the very least puts them on the menu. also I think the thing that made misurn a "failed" host and thistle a more "successful" one is that thistle probably designed the dungeon themselves and knows enough about dungeoneering to keep the lion trapped down in the basement while they're drawing power from each other, whereas misurn was a guileless idiot who just hung out with the goat itself constantly. the goat had a much easier time finishing misurn off because of that, which is probably what it actually wanted. meanwhile it seems like the lion is pretty pissed about being contained by thistle's dungeon and needs to leech off laius (and potentially others) directly in order to break out yum posted:
the winged lion is also presumably feeding on thistle though, so it seems like they can have hosts in addition to the primary lord. plus from how the sequence on the first level a while back went, it seems like the desires of everyone in the dungeon are being cultivated to some extent or another. because kabru apparently edits down the story so much, it's hard to say for sure if misurn was purposefully singled out by that demon, or if they were just conveniently separated from the others when they found the mirror, or if the goat went on to try tempting other canaries after misurn let it out, etc. ...though if demons do prefer to latch onto one person, laius has all kinds of weird, complicated desires ranging from "I want a second head and to be able to breathe ice and fire" to "I want a world where farlyn and I can belong for once" that probably outperform a lot of the stuff the others have going on. plus he knows absolutely nothing about demons or dungeon design, so he'd probably be a much easier mark than thistle
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Mar 15, 2020 23:01
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Remember, a balanced diet is key to a healthy life. A survey of adventurer's found that they all brought similar desires into the dungeon: Wealth. Fame. Power (and Other.) It's a crying shame! Just adding a side of 'i wish i wasn't half-beast anymore' or 'i don't want to see my friends die of old age before i do' would make a huge difference. Malnutrition is scarier than any beastie. Just blindly stuffing your face isn't enough.
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Mar 15, 2020 23:16
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Has anyone else pointed out that the elf that goes to put Misurn out of his misery (Milsril) is the same one that rescued/trained Kabru?
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Mar 16, 2020 00:12
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big dyke energy posted:Has anyone else pointed out that the elf that goes to put Misurn out of his misery (Milsril) is the same one that rescued/trained Kabru? She is, and she has a plush cat with her, and "trains" kabru with dolls. -e- Another hint Misurn wasn't just hallucinating: He's wearing different clothes after being left for dead than when he found the goat. Lurking Haro fucked around with this message at 00:28 on Mar 16, 2020 |
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Mar 16, 2020 00:19
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I'm sure it's been pointed out but the criminal canaries with their complicated histories probably actually do serve as early warning systemsto the group due to acting as demon bait. Canaries in the coal mine.
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Mar 16, 2020 00:41
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wonder what the captain's status is. Becoming dungeon lord and getting eaten seems like criminal behaviour, but, well, he's the one in charge of the group.
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Mar 16, 2020 06:03
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Here's my guesses on how things could go down: - There's actually two demons, the winged lion and whatever's possessing the book Thistle has. Winged lion turns out to be a benevolent demon, and the book demon trapped it since it's the only thing capable of stopping it. Laius frees the winged lion, stops Thistle and there's no betrayals whatsoever. - The winged lion is actually manipulating Laius, and is out to eat people's desires like what happened to Misurn. However, Laius and company will convince it to give up on that plan and reform by cooking good food for it.
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Mar 16, 2020 08:46
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here are my predictions: marcille will kiss her gf
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Mar 16, 2020 09:02
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amigolupus posted:Here's my guesses on how things could go down: Option 3: a delicious winged lion stew
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Mar 16, 2020 09:04
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Just lol if you think there won't be at least one food made out of demon before the manga ends.
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Mar 16, 2020 09:25
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So apparently a few months back Ryoko Kui published a little folding booklet intended to mirror a journal Senshi was keeping. It's since been translated (don't know who, sorry) and posted on /a/, so I figured someone should post it here.       
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Mar 16, 2020 09:49
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Surprise! Senshi is extremely good boy, as if that was ever in question...
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Mar 16, 2020 09:59
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This manga would get slightly lamer if the lion was right and Laius was the Chosen One to be the Good Ruler of the Dungeon so I choose to believe he's a lying demon
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Mar 16, 2020 10:03
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Bad Seafood posted:So apparently a few months back Ryoko Kui published a little folding booklet intended to mirror a journal Senshi was keeping. It's since been translated (don't know who, sorry) and posted on /a/, so I figured someone should post it here. They skipped a bunch of the handwritten bits. Senshi mistakes Chilchak for Laius' little brother, then crosses it out later. He also has to try several times to get his name right. Izutsumi's lessons are a mixed bag but as of the last page, she's gotten the hang of Walking Upright and Basic Conversation, but her table manners are still a work in progress, especially posture and chewing with her mouth closed.
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Everything about that journal owns
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