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Mithaldu posted:is "following to the source" some kind of magic ability that is only given to 1 out of 1000 internet users or what 
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There is still absolutely no way their infection and death rates dropped to almost zero overnight like China is claiming.
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Mar 29, 2020 16:40
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While it's probably true that the reported number of coronavirus deaths in China isn't accurate, lol at that super presumptive math being touted in that tweet. Maybe...check into the other mortuaries first?
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Mar 29, 2020 16:41
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VikingSkull posted:no link in the Shanghaiist article goes to a page that comes to the conclusion you posted https://time.com/5811222/wuhan-coronavirus-death-toll/ It's the "bloomberg" link on shanghaiist. Busy Bee posted:So you're speculating that since Wuhan has 7 mortuaries and that one mortuary may have received 5,000 urns (not confirmed) that there are 40,000 urns total? I said come in! posted:There is still absolutely no way their infection and death rates dropped to almost zero overnight like China is claiming. Sure, china is lying too. I'm only addressing the "Wuhan actually had 40000 covid-19 victims" lie peddled by racists. Mithaldu fucked around with this message at 16:45 on Mar 29, 2020 |
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Mar 29, 2020 16:42
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Mithaldu posted:https://time.com/5811222/wuhan-coronavirus-death-toll/ ok, so I was dumb, thank you this is where I make you angry Chinese state data, published "2020-03-13" lol
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Mar 29, 2020 16:44
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"we are better than china we are better than china!!", i continue to insist as i slowly shrink and transform into an ICU patient on oxygen
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Mar 29, 2020 16:45
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Det_no posted:"we are better than china we are better than china!!", i continue to insist as i slowly shrink and transform into an ICU patient on oxygen lol
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Mar 29, 2020 16:46
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VikingSkull posted:ok, so I was dumb, thank you Cheers. But the data on Q4-19 being published 03-13 doesn't make it seem suspicious or invalid, given it is in line with the data of Q4-18 and Q4-17, published in previous years.
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Mar 29, 2020 16:50
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Mithaldu posted:Cheers. But the data on Q4-19 being published 03-13 doesn't make it seem suspicious or invalid, given it is in line with the data of Q4-18 and Q4-17, published in previous years. yeah the numbers being a copy/paste from 2018/2017 is not suspicious at all. there definitely should be no change during a deadly pandemic
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Mar 29, 2020 16:58
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I feel like at this point looking at the daily stats of infected, recovered, and dead, is a waste of time. It's clear that multiple countries are not reporting accurately to a significant degree. It's not just China, the U.S., and Russia are also really bad about reporting. Russia is intentionally hiding numbers, and the U.S. is just incompetent, and maybe a bit of hiding numbers. A lot of other countries want to report accurately but simply can't, they do not have the means to do it. Just take what is available now, and multiply it all by 3 or 4 times and you have what is probably the real numbers.
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Mar 29, 2020 17:00
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i'm sorry, english is only my second language did i make some kind of mistake and "in line" actually means "copy-pasted", not "following a general trend"? also, i didn't know we already were in a pandemic in october, november, december of 2019! hm.
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Mar 29, 2020 17:00
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It's racisms if you don't trust china's number, because science
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Mar 29, 2020 17:02
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amusingly the sheer and massive intent to which the usa is lying is 100% in line with what people suspect china is doing
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Mar 29, 2020 17:02
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Rutibex posted:yeah the numbers being a copy/paste from 2018/2017 is not suspicious at all. there definitely should be no change during a deadly pandemic there was no pandemic, even in wuhan, in Q4 2019
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Mar 29, 2020 17:03
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d0s posted:he's talking about things like these: what happens if you sneeze in this, does it blast off of your face or does it work out, i've always wondered
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Mar 29, 2020 17:03
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Found out a friend of mine in nyc probably had the roni. A bunch of her friends tested positive, one going outside to walk his dog while sick (so hosed). She was the sickest she’s ever been for 3 days but has recovered since. She says it’s been harder to find delivery groceries because stores are closing up as more people get sick. Unfortunately she didn’t go get tested since she figured the test would be better for someone sicker so she won’t count under official cases nor recovered.
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Mar 29, 2020 17:03
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Mithaldu posted:amusingly the sheer and massive intent to which the usa is lying is 100% in line with what people suspect china is doing The thing with the U.S. is that each state health department reports independently. Where in China, each hospital reports to the Chinese government and then they go from there if they want to make that public or not. There are blatant examples of states just randomly deciding what is and isn't a COVID-19 death, a lot of that appears to be lack of training, incompetence, and a broken healthcare system that involves multiple people making these decisions. The federal government doesn't report for all of the United States, thank god, cause otherwise the lying would be just as bad as China, without a doubt.
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Mar 29, 2020 17:12
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It is just as bad tho, worse actually. At least at the height of things in china the guideline was "anyone with symptoms is a confirmed case", and anyone with any suspicion was being tested as well as their contact person. Meanwhile in the usa ONLY a tested case is counted, and people who're not critical aren't being tested at all. The underreporting is absolutely massive.
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Mar 29, 2020 17:18
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unpacked robinhood posted:Til the boomer reserve in Florida has I was bored and clicked. Some of these old timers are passing wisdom. 
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Mar 29, 2020 17:23
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Mithaldu posted:It is just as bad tho, worse actually. I partially agree with you, but the two countries are still vastly different. The U.S. is not reporting all cases because it's a matter of resources, and lack of training / knowledge. There really is no reason to believe it's sheer malice, like it is in China. The lack of test kits in the U.S. is a massive failure on this country, it's unacceptable and needed to be fixed weeks ago, but it's not fair to say that it's out right malice on the same level as China's reporting. The U.S. continues to report record breaking infection and death rates, our official numbers are climbing, that would not be happening if we were in line with China's intentional lack of reporting. It's also not true that only critical people are being tested. I know three people personally who were tested this week for the virus and they showed no obvious symptoms of the disease. This is in Seattle, WA, one of the worst hit areas of the virus whose hospitals are overwhelmed right now. I said come in! fucked around with this message at 17:26 on Mar 29, 2020 |
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Mar 29, 2020 17:24
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Mithaldu posted:It is just as bad tho, worse actually.
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Mar 29, 2020 17:26
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I said come in! posted:I partially agree with you, but the two countries are still vastly different. The U.S. is not reporting all cases because it's a matter of resources, and lack of training / knowledge. There really is no reason to believe it's sheer malice, like it is in China. The lack of test kits in the U.S. is a massive failure on this country, it's unacceptable and needed to be fixed weeks ago, but it's not fair to say that it's out right malice on the same level as China's reporting. The U.S. continues to report record breaking infection and death rates, our official numbers are climbing, that would not be happening if we were in line with China's intentional lack of reporting. Why don't we believe China again? They actually like, took steps at all and also they're BCGd up
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Mar 29, 2020 17:26
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Incorrect numbers because a lack of testing is no where near the same thing as purposefully withholding data you have.
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Mar 29, 2020 17:27
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shovelbum posted:Why don't we believe China again? They actually like, took steps at all and also they're BCGd up Because their infection and death rate dropped to close to zero overnight in February. This is extreme levels of magic and isn't realistic from how this is going in the rest of world. Compare it with South Korea, and you see how much of a lie this is.   The top graph is China. These sort of drops are just not possible. This is so incredibly blatant.
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Mar 29, 2020 17:28
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There is no significant drop in the china graph. The spike isn't an actual count of newly infected on that day, but all the people "with symptoms" from the previous weeks being added all at once on that one day. Also, depending on what your source for that chart is, timezone shenanigans will also cause inaccuracies. Let me get the actual numbers reported by china itself.
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Mar 29, 2020 17:35
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Mithaldu posted:There is no significant drop in the china graph. The spike isn't an actual count of newly infected on that day, but all the people "with symptoms" from the previous weeks being added all at once on that one day. Some good self own here.
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Mar 29, 2020 17:40
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Mithaldu posted:There is no significant drop in the china graph. The spike isn't an actual count of newly infected on that day, but all the people "with symptoms" from the previous weeks being added all at once on that one day. No, this is from John Hopkins CoronaVirus Research Center. https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html Its only counting cases reported that day. And sorry, but China government reported sources are not acceptable.
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Mar 29, 2020 17:40
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This thread could use less China and US mishegas imo
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Mar 29, 2020 17:40
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sweet thursday posted:This thread could use less China and US mishegas imo Both countries suck poo poo, just so we are clear. There is no us vs. them in this pandemic. Both have massively failed on different levels to respond to this outbreak.
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Mar 29, 2020 17:41
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Snowglobe of Doom posted:Home isolation is meaning that people are having to cut their own hair for the first time ever and the results are finally starting to get posted to the internet I've been growing my hair out for about a year with the intention of donating. Now I'm looking at suffering through a Georgia summer with hair down past my shoulders... On the plus side, the horror of those images should give me the strength to not just go hog-wild with a set of kitchen shears.
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Mar 29, 2020 17:42
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https://ncov.dxy.cn/ncovh5/view/pneumonia_area?from=dxy&source=&link=&share=&aid=420000 The big obvious spike is the rule change to retroactively include non-tested cases as confirmed, i.e. if it were "real" data the spike would be distributed over the previous days. And from 02-18 to 02-19 there's a drop because they changed the rules again to include only tested patients as confirmed. Don't have a link for it, but i saw the news go around in the HK circuit. After that you still see hundreds of new infections added daily while things slowly peter out. I said come in! posted:No, this is from John Hopkins CoronaVirus Research Center. https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html Its only counting cases reported that day. And sorry, but China government reported sources are not acceptable.
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Mar 29, 2020 17:42
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Darse posted:Some good self own here. You people are really incredibly stupid idiots. I said "reported" there for a reason, because what Hopkins claims are the numbers china reported are not the numbers china actually reported. That those numbers are not the actual numbers in reality is a separate issue.
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Mar 29, 2020 17:46
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If you look at sentinel 2 satellite imagery for the periods of February and March you can clearly see 23,000,000 souls floating up to heaven from China. Gotta do a little bandwidth math there but the numbers don’t lie
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Mar 29, 2020 17:49
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Mithaldu posted:You people are really incredibly stupid idiots. I said "reported" there for a reason, because what Hopkins claims are the numbers china reported are not the numbers china actually reported. The irony here is delightful.
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Mar 29, 2020 17:50
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Let me get the actual fake numbers
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Mar 29, 2020 17:51
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Mithaldu posted:You people are really incredibly stupid idiots. I said "reported" there for a reason, because what Hopkins claims are the numbers china reported are not the numbers china actually reported. 
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Mar 29, 2020 17:53
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Man it'd be really nice if calling people racist over not trusting the Chinese government was bannable. It's an authoritarian regime with a long and storied history of confirmed lies, some still ongoing, it's not a race issue at all.
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Mar 29, 2020 17:54
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Mithaldu posted:You people are really incredibly stupid idiots You're the one eating up China's propaganda right now. This is the country that originally told the world that human to human transmission of this disease wasn't even possible. But sure, they totally have cured this disease and have some how completely avoided a new wave of the outbreak as they send 1.5 billion people back to work all at once, on top of allowing people to enter the country again, a completely realistic and not at all magic feat.
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Mar 29, 2020 17:54
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Ornamental Dingbat posted:
2 days ago. Just hit 500,000 [/quote] 27 hours ago, about to hit 600,000 [/quote] About the same amount of time to 700,000
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Plastik posted:Man it'd be really nice if calling people racist over not trusting the Chinese government was bannable. It's an authoritarian regime with a long and storied history of confirmed lies, some still ongoing, it's not a race issue at all. Tienanmen Square doesn't even exist!
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