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PaletteSwappedNinja posted:Are Krillin, Roshi or Tien even close to Namek Frieza's strength? Maybe but Tenshinhan would still lose anyways in a stupid fashion.
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Blaze Dragon posted:Maybe but Tenshinhan would still lose anyways in a stupid fashion. Good. He's bad and we should get back to Yamcha coming up with a hundred variations on Wolf Fang Fist. He's at least got something close to a personality that isn't >o8[
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I don't think there's any evidence that Tien or Yamcha could even beat a Ginyu member, or even Vegeta as he first appears on Earth
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Apr 5, 2020 20:22
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grieving for Gandalf posted:I don't think there's any evidence that Tien or Yamcha could even beat a Ginyu member, or even Vegeta as he first appears on Earth They can I saw them do it.
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Apr 5, 2020 20:33
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grieving for Gandalf posted:I don't think there's any evidence that Tien or Yamcha could even beat a Ginyu member, or even Vegeta as he first appears on Earth Counter point, everyone is repeatedly showne training very hard, and in the case of the androids, told to train to beat someone specifically stronger than Freeza and everyone shows up ready to tussle. This is carried through to Yo! Son Goku where they all kind of laugh a Freeza tier villain off. It's safe to assume they could handle themselves.
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Tien depends on how you interpret him stalling Imperfect Cell successfully with a pseudo-suicide technique (and deflecting a Buu hit later in Z), I guess. Considering how DBZ villains really like to no-sell people weaker than they are, and the crazy escalation of power levels in late Z, I don't think it's unfair to say he is at least as strong as a Ginyu Force member.
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grieving for Gandalf posted:I don't think there's any evidence that Tien or Yamcha could even beat a Ginyu member, or even Vegeta as he first appears on Earth If Tien and Yamcha can't handle Saiyan Saga Vegeta by this point in the series, then there's no point in having them fight literally anyone ever at this point.
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Dias posted:Tien depends on how you interpret him stalling Imperfect Cell successfully with a pseudo-suicide technique (and deflecting a Buu hit later in Z), I guess. Considering how DBZ villains really like to no-sell people weaker than they are, and the crazy escalation of power levels in late Z, I don't think it's unfair to say he is at least as strong as a Ginyu Force member. It's this. Tien is perfectly capable of throwing out attacks that exceed Namek Saga Freeza- though Freeza himself would have probably survived due to how insane his durability is- and blocking attacks from things *WAY* beyond his punching weight. If he could have killed Namek era Freeza is another debate but those goons? They may have had the rough power level but nothing about them showed they were as durable. He would have made them into paste. Moro shows that Yamcha can also hold his own even now
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Blueberry Pancakes posted:Even History of Trunks had some liberties taken with it by the anime team, like Trunks getting Super Saiyan from Gohan's death rather than just having it the whole time. I like both versions of that, though, because it makes Gohan's death sadder in different ways depending on the medium. The one thing I wish they'd kept from the manga was the gag about trunks going to face the androids alone. He flies off to do battle, and the next panel is him waking up under medical care after having his rear end beaten.
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As this gets close to "power levels," it's not very firm in stone, but "base" Goku was stated to not quite be Full Freeza at the beginning of Super, while his trained SSJ, etc. obviously way eclipsed him. Goku hadn't really been training his base since then because he was working on God ki and learning how to always be on defense, so anyone you think would give base Goku a fight, basically. Krillen had a mental awakening and training since then, and Roshi has been secretly training as well, so technique + being somewhat stronger would have them at least give Freeza a fight. Tenshinhan hasn't been shown to really be doing anything, so I dunno about all of that - he could probably kikoho himself to death trying to fight him, but that depends on Freeza just sitting there like Cell did, too.
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Dias posted:Tien depends on how you interpret him stalling Imperfect Cell successfully with a pseudo-suicide technique (and deflecting a Buu hit later in Z), I guess. Considering how DBZ villains really like to no-sell people weaker than they are, and the crazy escalation of power levels in late Z, I don't think it's unfair to say he is at least as strong as a Ginyu Force member. DBZ villains only really no-sell in the movies*. They have to block in the manga. That's also why later villains have regen; they get stuff blown off by weaker people's attacks, but they grow them back. *Except Broli, canon or not, he Brolis.
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Darko posted:Krillen had a mental awakening and training since then, and Roshi has been secretly training as well, so technique + being somewhat stronger would have them at least give Freeza a fight. Tenshinhan hasn't been shown to really be doing anything, so I dunno about all of that - he could probably kikoho himself to death trying to fight him, but that depends on Freeza just sitting there like Cell did, too. Tien was opening a martial arts school so I think it's safe to say he still practices martial arts. I don't remember much about that episode though other than it was a pretty bad one.
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Even super broly only truly nosells like maybe 3 times. When he's dunking on ssjgod Goku it's not like those blows aren't having zero effect on him
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GokuGoesSSJ3 posted:Tien was opening a martial arts school so I think it's safe to say he still practices martial arts. I don't remember much about that episode though other than it was a pretty bad one. Something something, rape jokes, something something, urine, something something, Tien eats poo poo.
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I don't need no instructions to know how to achieve Ultra Instinct!
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wy6yYXV_daM
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Are you lost
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Shinjobi posted:Are you lost Check the video for why it's relevant. Hell, who made it.
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Burkion posted:Check the video for why it's relevant. If people want more of an explanation: AnimeAjay's channel, until this video, was entirely about Dragon Ball animation breakdowns, and he's an expert on the topic. He went dormant for over a year before suddenly reappearing with this video due to how much he liked Adventure:'s first episode, as well as being right up his alley considering that every single name involved has also been involved in both Super as a TV show and Broly, being Toei's absolute best. This is almost a Dragon Ball video, basically, even if it's on another franchise. Toei is putting a lot of love here and it's great to see what happens when they don't half-rear end an episode.
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Blueberry Pancakes posted:We're talking about the same arc, right? Did they accidentally past the manga frames together?
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Darko posted:
Tien is probably always training. It's just that he probably either trains with guys that are nowhere near his level or meditates. So he could be training just as much as Piccolo but Piccolo is sparring with Gohan while the best Tien is doing is probably a clone or Chiaotzu.
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https://twitter.com/Bosslogic/status/1247677048367091712?s=19 Was not expecting this cosplay.
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OhFunny posted:https://twitter.com/Bosslogic/status/1247677048367091712?s=19 Does that make John Stewart his Goku?
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His Goku is bears.
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TheHan posted:His Goku is bears. If you can find one agreeable enough to have their hair spiked up Goku-style, sure.
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The best fight in DBZ was Raditz and it was all downhill from there
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That's a weird way of saying Garlic Jr.
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Man I feel so bad for poor John Marsters. Guy loves dragon ball, was a the only good part of evolution . loving evolution.
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Siegkrow posted:Man I feel so bad for poor John Marsters. Guy loves dragon ball, was a the only good part of evolution . If it helps ease the pain, he's one of the best new villains in decades
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Ningen!
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Siegkrow posted:Man I feel so bad for poor John Marsters. Guy loves dragon ball, was a the only good part of evolution . I will defend Evolution only in that it tried to be a little summary of Dragon Ball up to Piccolo, and half of the people who complained about it had never seen Dragon Ball up to Piccolo and over exaggerated hate for that reason because they didnt even know what was being referenced. And...that's all I've got, the aesthetic approach was just so wrong.
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I gotta say a big problem with the movie is it made Goku into your average American Teenager Action Movie Character (whaa whaa I wanna be normal I don't want no kungfu). And Justin Chadwick is a white belt. No loving white belt should portray Goku.
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Darko posted:I will defend Evolution only in that it tried to be a little summary of Dragon Ball up to Piccolo, and half of the people who complained about it had never seen Dragon Ball up to Piccolo and over exaggerated hate for that reason because they didnt even know what was being referenced. And...that's all I've got, the aesthetic approach was just so wrong. Eh, I can't agree with that at all. It has some similar plot beats but alters enough it makes no real sense. It changes so much that it doesn't summarize anything. (I mean the total and complete absence of Krillin alone.)
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Siegkrow posted:I gotta say a big problem with the movie is it made Goku into your average American Teenager Action Movie Character (whaa whaa I wanna be normal I don't want no kungfu). It should've been a movie about Gohan if they wanted to go that route.
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ImpAtom posted:Eh, I can't agree with that at all. It has some similar plot beats but alters enough it makes no real sense. It changes so much that it doesn't summarize anything. (I mean the total and complete absence of Krillin alone.) The early Dragon Ball movies did similar for their arcs (remember the movie with Enperor Chiatzu?), and Path to Power is directly comparable, as it also skipped Krillin and went straight from Yamcha to Red Ribbon instead of Piccolo. They tried to have a wacky tech + weird aesthetic, too, but just completely missed the mark by focusing on exactly the wrong stuff. And yeah. Not making a Gohan movie, which already perfectly fit the high school aesthetic was ridiculous.
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How do you even do a Gohan movie without 3 movies of setup/a massive dump of exposition? I feel like you’d have to change so much that it wouldn’t really matter if it was Goku or Gohan since either way it’s a totally different character.
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People already consider adult Gohan a different character so little setup necessary. "Hello my name is Gohan, this is my dad he likes fighting" then it turns into a Saiyanman movie.
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