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Arist posted:the worst Stand fight is absolutely in Part 3 Which is?
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Mar 21, 2020 18:17
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dragon's dream was dumb but in kind of a funny way the worst stand fight was sethan and it wasn't even close
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Mar 21, 2020 18:18
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punk rebel ecks posted:Which is? pick one at random
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Mar 21, 2020 18:18
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Babyface is the shittiest fight in the series.
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Mar 21, 2020 18:18
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yeah babyface is just a mess and this is even looking beyond the super gross aspect of it. dragon's dream is funny
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Mar 21, 2020 18:26
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There's a lot of really dull and forgettable fights in part 3, especially early on. Like is anyone gonna die on the hill of keeping Dark Blue Moon or Strength? Hell, the actual fight with Hierophant Green is dull as poo poo and the one interesting part literally never gets referenced again.
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Mar 21, 2020 18:28
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Part 3 is very overrated. The stand battles are (understandably) some of the worst in the series. And Jotaro is a mediocre JoJo at best.Johnny Joestar posted:yeah babyface is just a mess and this is even looking beyond the super gross aspect of it. dragon's dream is funny It's sad since that's the only stand fight where Giorno defeats the stand all by himself.
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Mar 21, 2020 18:53
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punk rebel ecks posted:Part 3 is very overrated. The stand battles are (understandably) some of the worst in the series. And Jotaro is a mediocre JoJo at best. you had me in the first half, not gonna lie
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Mar 21, 2020 19:04
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Gyro Zeppeli posted:There's a lot of really dull and forgettable fights in part 3, especially early on. Like is anyone gonna die on the hill of keeping Dark Blue Moon or Strength? Strength was a cool concept that didn't need to be tied to Rape Ape and a little girl shower scene. I wouldn't be surprised if other parts did it better, though.
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Mar 21, 2020 19:33
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Jotaro is a good character but he's not a great protagonist of his own part. Part of it is that he's relentlessly one-note "cool," which is kind of offputting at first, and that plus his tendency to pull new powers straight out of his rear end whenever he needs them sucks pretty much any tension out of any fight he's a part of. His mellowing down in Part 4 actually really well contextualizes him in Part 3 though, as some guy who's just trying waaaaaaaaaaay too loving hard. The problem is that in Part 3 you never really see behind the facade. The D'Arby fight is as good as it is at least partially because it's one of the few times in Part 3 where Jotaro's personality is actually like, important to the fight and helps him win. It doesn't involve his Stand at all, but you couldn't give his moment to Young Joseph or Josuke, it's all about his strengths as a character. So, if we're contextualizing "best JoJo" by how good they are as protagonist within their own part, Jotaro is honestly probably in the lower half for me. He rises higher when we take into consideration his entire character arc across the series.
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Mar 21, 2020 19:50
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Arist posted:The problem is that in Part 3 you never really see behind the facade. I feel like every single Jotaro one-liner, his catchphrase being the same as Charlie Brown's, and him being shown to have been a blatant momma's boy in the past is enough to nail down that Jotaro is lame but thinks he is cool and nobody's gonna tell him he isn't because they don't wanna get the living daylights beat out of him.
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Mar 21, 2020 19:59
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I just tried to rewatch 3 due to quarantine boredome, and I had to skip most of it; the early Stand fights are just bad, and the best ones (that resemble later ones) all have Iggy involved. Which is weird because 1 and 2 flowed fine and were easily watchable (which makes sense as he hadn't figured out how to get as crazy as with Hamon with Stands at first).
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Mar 21, 2020 20:05
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Arist posted:Jotaro is a good character but he's not a great protagonist of his own part. Part of it is that he's relentlessly one-note "cool," which is kind of offputting at first, and that plus his tendency to pull new powers straight out of his rear end whenever he needs them sucks pretty much any tension out of any fight he's a part of. His mellowing down in Part 4 actually really well contextualizes him in Part 3 though, as some guy who's just trying waaaaaaaaaaay too loving hard. The problem is that in Part 3 you never really see behind the facade. Pretty much. Jotaro annoyed me in Part 3 because he was a disrespectful punk kid who needed to be checked, but wasn't because he was bigger than everybody.
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Mar 21, 2020 20:18
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The fact that Jotaro not only was married but had a daughter throughout the entirety of Part 4 is still maybe the funniest loving thing.
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Mar 21, 2020 20:50
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Since we are talking about Stone Ocean, fans really go all out huh: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u9x4jGpDwfM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9zJ2eSDo6oM Also, I posted this in the anime thread. Not sure if you guys seen it before. Some guy is making his own JoJo part: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJs2zwHwl5U
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Mar 22, 2020 01:36
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FirstAidKite posted:I feel like every single Jotaro one-liner, his catchphrase being the same as Charlie Brown's, and him being shown to have been a blatant momma's boy in the past is enough to nail down that Jotaro is lame but thinks he is cool and nobody's gonna tell him he isn't because they don't wanna get the living daylights beat out of him. There's a bunch of small details that add to that too. Like how when dragging an unconscious Kakyoin into the house for treatment he stopped to take off both of their shoes
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Mar 22, 2020 02:08
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He also turned kakyoin around at some point between picking him up and getting him home. I agree entirely about Jotaro being a much better character when he isn't the lead. He's unmistakably cool in parts 4 and 6 but because he isn't the main character, they don't have to rely on him to take care of most of the fights. He's definitely the most improved character in the series.
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Mar 22, 2020 06:49
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Tarezax posted:There's a bunch of small details that add to that too. Like how when dragging an unconscious Kakyoin into the house for treatment he stopped to take off both of their shoes Or the fact that Jotaro does tricks like holding a bunch of lit cigs in his mouth without putting them out Dude's a total goober
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Mar 22, 2020 12:00
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The proof that Jotaro is immediately better in part 4 is how he, within moments of arriving in a sleepy seaside town, is engaged in a fistfight in the street with a 16 year old.
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Mar 22, 2020 14:36
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Jotaro really only has so many ways to engage with the world.
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Mar 22, 2020 17:36
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TheLoneStar posted:We can all at least agree that Part 6 hosted the worst Stand battle in JoJo history, Dragon's Dream, right? Nah, that one has chill-rear end dragon and "he's an idiot who drinks his own piss" line. There are worse, that's for sure. I never enjoyed Superfly and Boys II Men, personally. But if we're talking absolute worst, I feel like it's probably Alessi. I will agree that Part 3 has some of the weaker ones, due to pacing or having nothing going for them except for concept. There was no reason to spread the gamer arc across three episodes, considering the F-Mega part kinda had nothing going for it. Strength was a good idea, but the tone was all over the place. Part 5 also kinda suffers from Giorno pulling the solution from his rear end. Jotaro sucking in Justice was at least funny (and it also happened in a comedy episode), compared to two episodes ending with lol bricksnake cloneturtle And yeah, Jotaro is a dry protagonist, but after later parts he retroactively got better because it's so much clearer that he's just a weird awkward teen Vookatos fucked around with this message at 10:54 on Mar 23, 2020 |
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Mar 23, 2020 10:50
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Alessi was probably my actual pick for worst Stand fight in the series, considering that it's almost entirely a naked child Polnareff running away from the creepiest man alive and doing very little to actually attack him until Jotaro shows up and solves the problem for him
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Mar 23, 2020 19:15
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i feel like a lot of the actual Bad fights or ones that are just sort of there at best and in the way at worst are times when araki is trying to play some sort of creepy horror angle and falls short on it, which just leaves this tonally weird mess that doesn't mesh together at all like babyface and alessi in particular stand out to me in that regard
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Mar 23, 2020 22:25
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Which is a drat shame, because when the horror angle does work, it's phenomenal. See: Vitamin C, Civil War, the entire final stretch of Part 4
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Mar 24, 2020 00:47
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Goo Goo Dolls is the good version of the Alessi fight.
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Mar 24, 2020 01:02
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EDIT: Wrong
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Mar 25, 2020 06:23
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I will admit. Johnny Joestar's and Gyro's reasons for trying to find the corpse parts is very stupid. Even though "that's the point".
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Mar 25, 2020 06:31
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Another thing I remembered about Jotaro and how he's actually a dork is that when Joseph pretended to be Dio, he asked him questions only Joseph would know the answers to and that only Joseph would know stuff like who Weird Al is, yet Jotaro also has to know that stuff. He is all about the image of being cool without understanding what it is to actually be cool. Him modeling himself after Blondie works so well since it's pretty much just Jotaro trying to ape Blondie. I feel like the chain helps with the design comparison since when Blondie has his poncho on towards the end of The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly, the poncho has a similar chain-like design from that same shoulder. Copying Columbo tricks too just shows that he's just aping was he saw on TV and in a lot of ways that makes him kind of like Duke Nukem as they're both just muscular dweebs who are all about trying to get the good one-liner and aren't gonna get called out on it because they both extremely capable of murdering the gently caress out of you (or worse)
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Mar 25, 2020 14:52
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He’s also a sumo fan, which has to be at least a little dorky for a, what, 17 year old circa SC?
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Apr 1, 2020 13:15
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https://twitter.com/FrostiFusionZ_/status/1247932326304198662?s=20
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Apr 9, 2020 05:16
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Schwarzwald posted:Part 6 has a lot of false starts and dead ends where its pretty obvious Araki changed his mind where's kyo where's kaato
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Apr 9, 2020 07:32
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To be fair we thought the same thing about Mitsuba and she ended up becoming a major character out of nowhere
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Apr 9, 2020 13:06
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i haven't read the past few chapters and i'm honestly going to reserve judging it for when it's done or basically done, because if there's anything we can tell at this point it's that araki can and will just pull out basically anything and we shouldn't assume one way or the other
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Apr 9, 2020 16:04
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He brought back Ojiro so I think we're well past the point of being able to guess who is or isn't coming back
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Apr 9, 2020 18:27
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that dude dying on land but in a jacuzzi will forever be an araki masterstroke
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Apr 9, 2020 19:39
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Patware posted:that dude dying on land but in a jacuzzi will forever be an araki masterstroke Oh god dammit
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Apr 12, 2020 20:52
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So we've talked about the worst stand fight, but how about the best? I think nothing came close to DIO's World. Almost every frame of it is perfect and almost every second is hilarious. The World and Star Platinum being the same never bothered me, and I'm surprised more people don't talk about the actual worst part of the fight: DIO's death. Three other villains are essentially in hell, but the worst person was just punched hard. Still, from knives to Jotaro in the sewer, DIO's skull heart and various other things it's just so full of weird poo poo, I love it.
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Apr 13, 2020 10:32
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Dio would have won if he didn't try to kick with his bad leg
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Apr 13, 2020 10:48
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The important part of the last scene isn't the leg punch, it's Jotaro using his own power against him and then belittling him with mock-pity as he allows him to recover. Jotaro's Stand may be Star Platinum but his true superpower is his indominable will and ability to psychologically destroy his opponents. When the final Stand clash happens DIO has already allowed fear into his heart, which is why The World shatters against Star Platinum.
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Apr 13, 2020 12:03
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grateful dead/beach boy like half the fights in steel ball run I don't remember part 6 that well but it probably has some good contenders
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Apr 13, 2020 13:37
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