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NightGyr
Mar 7, 2005
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It's a shame we never got to see the A380 stretch. The oversized wing would finally be in proportion...

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Platystemon
Feb 13, 2012

BREADS
I mean if four engines are bad and two are good, was three kind of middling or nah because the capacity loss negated any edge it might have had on the A340?

I would blow Dane Cook
Dec 26, 2008
Forget the A340, bring back Zeppelins.

priznat
Jul 7, 2009

Let's get drunk and kiss each other all night.

Warbird posted:

You absolute fool. Everyone knows the only way to take down a zeppelin is with an even larger zeppelin.

Put lipstick on that big butt blimp and dress it in some provocative attire and it can lure zepplins looney tunes style

Platystemon
Feb 13, 2012

BREADS
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gNAjBPIyjQ

Æronautics commences at 8:10

Platystemon fucked around with this message at 07:39 on Apr 22, 2020

Kia Soul Enthusias
May 9, 2004

zoom-zoom
Toilet Rascal

Bobby Digital posted:

I thought that was true of the 600s but they still had some 300s going

All is an exaggeration. Not sure how many are left

NightGyr
Mar 7, 2005
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XlFD0Zyl_f0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8veDpPwFCVM

Midjack
Dec 24, 2007



I will always love that the slogan of Lady Bird Johnson’s anti-littering campaign was subsequently adopted as the official state threat.

~Coxy
Dec 9, 2003

R.I.P. Inter-OS Sass - b.2000AD d.2003AD

Midjack posted:

the slogan of Lady Bird Johnson’s anti-littering campaign

Huh!

edit: dammit, ya got me

Nebakenezzer
Sep 13, 2005

The Mote in God's Eye

meltie posted:

And the A340s will never fly again.

So I just read this thing on Boeing's catasterfuck 767 tanker program, and right now is I think the time to develop tanker kits for aircraft that would otherwise be grounded, like the A340.

KYOON GRIFFEY JR
Apr 12, 2010



Runner-up, TRP Sack Race 2021/22
Really when we are talking about Long Airplanes you must consider ratio of fuselage diameter to overall length, because that is what gives the visual appearance of length.

Some Long Airplanes, evaluated:
code:
Name	   Fuselag    Length	   Length:Diameter Ratio (higher = longer)
777x-9	   6.2	      76.3	   12.3
787-10	   5.77	      68.28	   11.8
777-300	   6.2	      73.86	   11.9
A340-1000  5.64	      75.36	   13.4
A350-1000  6.09	      73.79	   12.1
767-400	   5.41	      61.37	   11.3
757-300	   3.76	      54.4	   14.5
737-MAX10  3.76	      43.8	   11.6
CRJ-1000   2.7	      39.1	   14.5
CRJ-900    2.7        36.2         13.4
ERJ-145    2.28       29.87        13.1

As you can see, the Longest Airplane is a tie between the 757-300 and the CRJ-1000. Of airplanes in production, it appears the CRJ-900 is the current Length King. If you think of other long airplanes please post them and evaluate.

I tried some little stuff like the Metroliner but it's not that competitive, there's kind of an overall minimum diameter to fit people in it so planes below a certain size just don't really work.

rscott
Dec 10, 2009
https://twitter.com/jonostrower/status/1252713947687346176?s=19

Wonder what kind of deal Delta is going to get, Boeing has probably never been more desperate to book some sales

Xakura
Jan 10, 2019

A safety-conscious little mouse!

KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:

Really when we are talking about Long Airplanes you must consider ratio of fuselage diameter to overall length, because that is what gives the visual appearance of length.

Some Long Airplanes, evaluated:
code:
Name	   Fuselag    Length	   Length:Diameter Ratio (higher = longer)
777x-9	   6.2	      76.3	   12.3
787-10	   5.77	      68.28	   11.8
777-300	   6.2	      73.86	   11.9
A340-1000  5.64	      75.36	   13.4
A350-1000  6.09	      73.79	   12.1
767-400	   5.41	      61.37	   11.3
757-300	   3.76	      54.4	   14.5
737-MAX10  3.76	      43.8	   11.6
CRJ-1000   2.7	      39.1	   14.5
CRJ-900    2.7        36.2         13.4
ERJ-145    2.28       29.87        13.1

As you can see, the Longest Airplane is a tie between the 757-300 and the CRJ-1000. Of airplanes in production, it appears the CRJ-900 is the current Length King. If you think of other long airplanes please post them and evaluate.

I tried some little stuff like the Metroliner but it's not that competitive, there's kind of an overall minimum diameter to fit people in it so planes below a certain size just don't really work.

I get 16,7 for B-52, but that's with image editor measuring tools, I couldn't find a value for fuselage width. Also, the fuselage is taller than it is wide, makes it seem less long.

marumaru
May 20, 2013



NightGyr posted:

It's a shame we never got to see the A380 stretch. The oversized wing would finally be in proportion...

the A380's wing is already the most beautiful wing and it's perfect shUT UP

Trabisnikof
Dec 24, 2005

So I was reading the 1982 National Reconnaissance Office report on the development of the Hexagon Spy Satellite and noticed a tid-bid about the U-2 I hadn't seen before:




Does anyone know anything else about the plan for one-way U-2 flights over Russia?

The fact that Powers was already on a one-way flight (presumably to ditch in the sea ala Doolittle) is an interesting dramatic wrinkle to the story.

hobbesmaster
Jan 28, 2008

Does that not mean take off in Japan and land in England or something?

Sagebrush
Feb 26, 2012

"One-way" in that case means they would land at a different air base from the one they started at, not that they'd ditch the plane. For instance they might take off from somewhere in the middle east, fly over the rocket testing ranges in the steppes, and then continue on to land in europe rather than turning around and going back home.

Trabisnikof
Dec 24, 2005

Oh obviously that makes more sense! I was all wrapped up in disposable film canisters that slipped my mind.

aphid_licker
Jan 7, 2009


What do they do to fix the center of gravity again when they planelongen? Add some depleted uranium bricks to the cockpit floor? Or is moving the CoG not as big a deal as I thought it was?

e: holy poo poo the 757-300 and CRJ-1000 look weird

Sagebrush
Feb 26, 2012

aphid_licker posted:

What do they do to fix the center of gravity again when they planelongen? Add some depleted uranium bricks to the cockpit floor? Or is moving the CoG not as big a deal as I thought it was?

e: holy poo poo the 757-300 and CRJ-1000 look weird

I think they just longen both the front and the back of the plane.

NightGyr
Mar 7, 2005
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Sagebrush posted:

I think they just longen both the front and the back of the plane.

E.G.

marumaru
May 20, 2013




the A318 is so cute :3:

it has smaller engines than the A320, right?
what would it be like if it didn't? would it be comically fast and temperamental?

Sagebrush
Feb 26, 2012

Airbus A317


Boeing 737-20


Airbus A3

Sagebrush fucked around with this message at 19:15 on Apr 22, 2020

marumaru
May 20, 2013



Sagebrush posted:

Airbus A317


Boeing 737-20


Airbus A3


well once i'm a billionaire i know what bizjet(s) i'm getting

aphid_licker
Jan 7, 2009


Ah poo poo I got mixed up because the Airbuses in that pic are left-justified but yeah they add whole extra doors to the front section. Sorry.

IOwnCalculus
Apr 2, 2003





Inacio posted:

well once i'm a billionaire i know what bizjet(s) i'm getting

Chode planes.

meltie
Nov 9, 2003

Not a sodding fridge.

Inacio posted:

the A380's wing is already the most beautiful wing and it's perfect shUT UP



The -1000 actually looks correct.

Psion
Dec 13, 2002

eVeN I KnOw wHaT CoRnEr gAs iS
Now just photoshop the flight deck to the correct position ( :colbert: ) and the A380-1000 would be a real nice aircraft

Elviscat
Jan 1, 2008

Well don't you know I'm caught in a trap?

Inacio posted:

the A380's wing is already the most beautiful wing and it's perfect shUT UP



FTFY

FuturePastNow
May 19, 2014


Inacio posted:

the A380's wing is already the most beautiful wing and it's perfect shUT UP



need a front angle render of the -1000 to see if the forehead looks any smaller on a bigger plane

Midjack
Dec 24, 2007



FuturePastNow posted:

need a front angle render of the -1000 to see if the forehead looks any smaller on a bigger plane

It doesn’t.

hobbesmaster
Jan 28, 2008

FuturePastNow posted:

need a front angle render of the -1000 to see if the forehead looks any smaller on a bigger plane

It isn't a bigger plane from head on though which is where it looks worse, angle isn't going to help.

Sagebrush
Feb 26, 2012

The cockpit needs to be up at the top of the plane. That's literally all that is needed to turn the A380 from :manning: to :hai: and it's also the only way to do it.

I understand that the main reason they put the cockpit down low was so pilots have a similar sight picture as the smaller planes but to that I say just HTFU and learn to touch down while you're 50 feet off the ground

Safety Dance
Sep 10, 2007

Five degrees to starboard!

Sagebrush posted:


I understand that the main reason they put the cockpit down low was so pilots have a similar sight picture as the smaller planes but to that I say just HTFU and learn to touch down while you're 50 feet off the ground

I've never thought that argument held a lot of water. It's an Airbus -- under normal law, all you need to do is wait for the radar altimeter to go "ping" and then move the flight selector switch from "yes" to "standby".

FuturePastNow
May 19, 2014


When I built double-decker Lego airliners as a child, I always put a cockpit window on both decks, so one passenger seat would have a great view.

PT6A
Jan 5, 2006

Public school teachers are callous dictators who won't lift a finger to stop children from peeing in my plane

FuturePastNow posted:

When I built double-decker Lego airliners as a child, I always put a cockpit window on both decks, so one passenger seat would have a great view.

Having a private first-class suite with a full observation window at the very front of the main deck of a 747 would be absolutely loving amazing.

Xakura
Jan 10, 2019

A safety-conscious little mouse!

PT6A posted:

Having a private first-class suite with a full observation window at the very front of the main deck of a 747 would be absolutely loving amazing.



lol, it looks so tiny and alone

I would blow Dane Cook
Dec 26, 2008


the il-76 has a bottom cockpit for the navigator.

Cat Mattress
Jul 14, 2012

by Cyrano4747

Safety Dance posted:

I've never thought that argument held a lot of water. It's an Airbus -- under normal law, all you need to do is wait for the radar altimeter to go "ping" and then move the flight selector switch from "yes" to "standby".

Last time the :manning: argument came up in this thread, it was said the reason was you can't put passenger seats in front of the cockpit anymore. (747 was from before this regulation.)

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MrChips
Jun 10, 2005

FLIGHT SAFETY TIP: Fatties out first

Inacio posted:

the A318 is so cute :3:

it has smaller engines than the A320, right?
what would it be like if it didn't? would it be comically fast and temperamental?

The A318s delivered to LAN (and operated by Avianca Brasil most recently) had Pratt and Whitney PW6000 engines, while the rest had the same CFM56s as the rest of the first-gen A320 family.

The CFM56 can have its thrust rating changed with the swap of a plug on the engine, so it's not like you're going to have the same thrust as you would in an A321.

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