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So my girlfriend is planning to pick up a 30g tank that has fish this coming Saturday. I assume to transport it we'll need to empty the tank and find a container that can support the fish in transit. My understanding is that you should be cycling your tank before putting in fish which can take 3-6 weeks so I'm concerned. The tank comes with a HoB filter and I assume has been cycled to support the fish. Should we save the tank water? Will the built up bacteria in the HoB filter be sufficient? I don't have the types of fish she'll be receiving yet but will update when I do. She currently has a 10g tank that supports some small tropical fish and tiny frogs. As an aside I might get a free 20g tank as an upgrade for my fantail goldish which I imagine will necessitate a new stand which is unfortunate as I quite like where it is located currently. Should I be similarly following the same process and cycling the new tank before transferring?
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Apr 24, 2020 04:38
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Corte posted:So my girlfriend is planning to pick up a 30g tank that has fish this coming Saturday. I assume to transport it we'll need to empty the tank and find a container that can support the fish in transit. My understanding is that you should be cycling your tank before putting in fish which can take 3-6 weeks so I'm concerned. The tank comes with a HoB filter and I assume has been cycled to support the fish. Should we save the tank water? Will the built up bacteria in the HoB filter be sufficient? Yeah keep the water as best you can but topping it up (with water you know is safe, dechlorinated, and temperature matched) is fine, using the same filter is also a huge help to repopulate beneficial bacteria. If you're moving the same filter and hardscape into the new 20g and are able to save at least 1/3 of the water I'd honestly assume it's going to repopulate the bacteria extremely fast. Most of the bacteria is in the filter media and on the hardscape.
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Apr 24, 2020 04:40
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It's the Fluval E Electronic Heater, 100 watts for my 20 gallon. I definitely am keeping gobies, and scrimps. I'd like corydoras or otocinclus.
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Apr 24, 2020 04:59
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Otos can be touchy to feed, they are almost all wild caught and some don't work out pellet or gel food before they starve. I have 5 in a 5 foot tank and so much driftwood and uncleaned algae for them to graze on, they are schooling fish and like to have company so I think they need tons of surface area. They are aufwuchs feeders and I think gobies are too so in a small set up I'd avoid getting two specialist feeders that are competing for the same resources. Corys on the other hand are easy to feed and can handle sinking pellets and shrimp wafers with ease, due to their sucking mouth shape they can slurp off pieces as the wafers fall apart in the water. Pygmy corydoras have a similar look to otocinclus and are extremely shrimp safe due to being small, plus they swim in the water column as well as patrolling the bottom, so I think they are a better fit than otos for your tank and will give you some movement to watch. A big school in a larger tank: https://youtu.be/0Bizjkn8bGw It's actually a good practise to put a heater sideways or at an angle to get a better spread of the heat across the tank. If you put the heater in water flow from the filter outlet it helps with getting even heating too.
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Apr 24, 2020 06:34
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Corte posted:So my girlfriend is planning to pick up a 30g tank that has fish this coming Saturday...
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Apr 24, 2020 06:47
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VelociBacon posted:... Stoca Zola posted:Ah Corte it seems you both have caught MTS (multiple tank syndrome)... Hah, so it would seem! The individual she's purchasing from is getting rid of em because she upgraded to a larger setup. Thanks for the advice, we'll be sure to keep all of that in mind when preparing to transport everything. I think I'll probably hold off on transferring my fish for the time being. I figure I likely haven't got the current tank settled given I was gravel vac'ing every week and just installed my in-tank box filter this week. I'm thinking I'll get the 20g tank rolling when I can, maybe make and install another box filter in it then give it a couple days at least.
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Apr 24, 2020 23:22
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Is there an alternative to aqadvisor? I have my heart set on some dwarf gobies, shrimps and snails, but I'd like a top swimmin' fish so everyone feels safe and happy. Oh, and definitely some bitty cories. At least moving from my 5 gallon betta tank to a 20 gallon is an adventure.
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Apr 27, 2020 07:29
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You pretty have to look up fish profiles individually and write their requirements down and compare yourself, I haven't found an alternative yet. I think seriouslyfish is reasonably good, aquaticarts too. A good profile lists fish that are found together in nature, as well as listing diets so that is a quick way to find compatible fish, depending on whether the profile is up to date or not. You need your species scientific name to make this easier, I tried searching for dwarf goby but that didn't narrow it down much. There are stiphodon gobies and Philippine gobies that both go by dwarf goby. If you can't get stuff from the same river system, researching rivers with similar flow rates and water parameters can help find compatible fish from other locations. It's a bit tedious but it's better than nothing.
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Apr 27, 2020 07:50
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Hey y’all. Just added live sand and seeded water from another tank to a 10gal Super Budget bedroom build I decided to make on Friday with some spare supplies that didn’t make it into my eastern painted turtle quarantine foster The plan is to use it as a frag tank. The filters I had on hand are Penguin 100 biowheel dealies with kinda low flow (shouldn’t be a problem once I add the Koralia that’s currently in my Amazon cart). They’re on the smaller side compared to some other HoBs that people like to use for this, but I easily hacked one of them by replacing the insert and biowheel (it didn’t fit) with some filter sponge, a bag of biomax pellets, and a bag of ACO for water polishing. No space for a Chaeto fuge but I’m not planning to keep anything harder than some very inexpensive montipora down the road. I’m actually really happy with how it turned out. Super super easy and cheap, and it does all the necessary sump things. Could (maybe should?) probably run it as a bare-bottom tank but I was feeling impatient about cycling and I had access to some good, safe biological material in need of a home (invert lab, including some coral people). Ultimately water changes are gonna be the most important thing with a 10gal no matter how fancy your DIY hob sump is. Anyway I’m hyper pumped! As I was telling Weedthread (lol) I have years of lapsed experience in the aquarium hobby going back to childhood and literally years of recently involving myself in the reef hobby and living vicariously through other keepers. I attend talks about coral biology in my day job/school life, ffs. With the public health/economic crisis one might think that this would be a bad time to jump in, but if I’m going to be stuck at home in the short-to-medium term, intermittently or not working in the longer term, and the economy is in the process of making GBS threads its pants on a never-before-seen scale, then at least I’m gonna take the shot to try this hobby, or at least get the setup to do it later if poo poo gets harder to buy. I still have another filter left. Depending on where I/we are there might be a planted freshwater build (or maybe a second frag tank?) in the future. Who knows. I’m limiting myself to what I can get online or through stuff like curbside pickup.
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Apr 27, 2020 08:34
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Stoca Zola posted:You pretty have to look up fish profiles individually and write their requirements down and compare yourself, I haven't found an alternative yet. I think seriouslyfish is reasonably good, aquaticarts too. A good profile lists fish that are found together in nature, as well as listing diets so that is a quick way to find compatible fish, depending on whether the profile is up to date or not. You need your species scientific name to make this easier, I tried searching for dwarf goby but that didn't narrow it down much. There are stiphodon gobies and Philippine gobies that both go by dwarf goby. If you can't get stuff from the same river system, researching rivers with similar flow rates and water parameters can help find compatible fish from other locations. It's a bit tedious but it's better than nothing.
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Apr 27, 2020 12:23
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Slugworth posted:Why do people keep talking about aqadvisor as though it's defunct? I just looked, and it seems to be up and running. Really? I keep getting some domain for sale thing. What browser did you use? Thanks everyone.
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Apr 27, 2020 22:03
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It's been domain for sale for me since late last year, every browser, every device I have . I'd read that someone got it working in an incognito tab but that hasn't worked for me. For a little while (months last year) before that it was 50/50 whether I'd get the site or a weird redirect. Right now I'm getting redirects to ww5.aqadvisor.com. I'd love to know what particular situation you need to get it to work, if there's a particular route that can still connect. I might do some experimenting now that I've got confirmation from someone that it still works.
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Apr 27, 2020 22:30
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Iiiinteresting, after a few goes I found a web proxy that works, apparently you have to connect via the US (maybe??) for it to work so maybe it's something to do with not being compliant with GDPR (the EU privacy stuff) so connections from non-US people are just outright not working? I'm in Australia for the record.
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Apr 27, 2020 22:40
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Pops right up for me in the USofA
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Apr 27, 2020 22:42
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How careful should I be about spraying perfume/applying cologne in the room that the 10gal reef is in, or using mild room scents (essential oils, maybe a candle once in a blue moon)? Right now my hunch is “very careful, do all that poo poo outside while the reef’s in there”. Strangely the advice on cologne is actually pretty mixed, with some people saying it has no effect unless you’ve literally dunked a cologne-covered arm into the tank/dropped a bottle into it.
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Apr 27, 2020 22:53
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Apparently firefox with addons disabled opened it just fine for me.
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Apr 27, 2020 22:55
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Aerofallosov posted:Apparently firefox with addons disabled opened it just fine for me. That’ll happen with certain websites that use pop-ups. For a while a few years back the MA health connector payment site was doing that on any browser that wasn’t IE or Chrome.
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Apr 27, 2020 22:57
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Ok Comboomer posted:How careful should I be about spraying perfume/applying cologne in the room that the 10gal reef is in, or using mild room scents (essential oils, maybe a candle once in a blue moon)? I go by the "better safe than sorry" rule when spraying anything around my reef, especially with small ones as any little change could disrupt things. I have candles and stuff though and think those are probably ok?
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Apr 28, 2020 16:42
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I tried connecting to aqadvisor through Firefox and Chrome with and without extensions/addons disabled but had no luck. I'm in Canada and used a VPN to appear as if I was in the US fwiw. Helped my partner pick up their used 30g tank with accompanying fish this weekend and it seems to have gone well. We were able to setup a 10g the night before using tank water from another established 10g to support the new fish until the 30g was ready. I was able to get the used 20g in the process. As we were leaving the seller recommended I reseal the tank because it hadn't been used since their "mom died". It didn't feel appropriate to follow up for more details but I did find a a fading manufacture date on the bottom that dates it to 1991 and assume it was been sitting dry in storage for a year or longer. Looking at some videos and inspecting the tank I decided it was best to attempt to reseal it. I removed the top trim which took some doing as I believe it has been resealed before and whoever did lay the sealant on thick and didn't clean it up much. Unfortunately this did cause a small crack in the middle of one of the long sides but I am hopeful this is just a minor cosmetic issue. I removed the silicone from inside the tank using a razor blade from a utility knife, double strength vinegar, warm water, a new sponge, jay cloth, Q-tips and paper towel. I the wiped it down, rinsed it out, wiped it down again and dried with paper towel. I've seen places recommend using isopropyl alcohol or acetone to remove any excess but some also warn about it dissolving the gasket. I think I have done a thorough job and this isn't necessary but have isopropyl if need. I have it sitting on a shelf in my bathtub drying currently:  I plan to try sealing it tonight or tomorrow then let it set for 48hrs before water testing. Here is a post with a bunch of pictures for reference: https://imgur.com/a/DF1ffYZ. Just curious if I've missed something or there's anything else worth considering. Levin fucked around with this message at 03:49 on Apr 29, 2020 |
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Apr 28, 2020 22:10
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What sort of cute, chill top and middle layers would go well with 3 dwarf gobies and about 6-7 cories in a 20 gallon? CPD don't like strong currents. Neon tetras and pals sound tempting. Or the emerald rasboras...
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Apr 28, 2020 23:50
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Aerofallosov posted:What sort of cute, chill top and middle layers would go well with 3 dwarf gobies and about 6-7 cories in a 20 gallon? CPD don't like strong currents. Neon tetras and pals sound tempting. Or the emerald rasboras... gloooooofiiiiiiiish
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Apr 29, 2020 00:10
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Ok Comboomer posted:gloooooofiiiiiiiish Oh right! Those guys are pretty rad. Hmm. They even had electric green bettas when I went to petsmart for filter media.
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Apr 29, 2020 00:22
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Aerofallosov posted:Oh right! Those guys are pretty rad. Hmm. They even had electric green bettas when I went to petsmart for filter media. I know, I’ve seen them and I want one, despite the fact that it means going through Petco/Petsmart (I already pricematch a ton of basic supplies through Petco and Chewy/Petsmart, and if you don’t you’re way richer than I am—but I generally don’t buy livestock or feeders from them EXCEPT SEACREST HAS SOME KINDA EXCLUSIVE DISTRIBUTION DEAL WITH THEM). If I stick around this apartment long enough to do a second, planted tank maybe I go with one + neon danios (or glo danios in a different color) or whatever. They have females and multiple male morphs so you could maybe try breeding them (for your own personal gratification, as they are patented and Seacrest Farms will slap you with a lawsuit if you sell or distribute them). GFP expression is heritable, and I believe Mendelian, so you could do some potentially interesting poo poo with outcrossing. ....and now I’ve looked into the weird world of people making glo danio and tetra outcrosses and I like what I’m seeing....
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Apr 29, 2020 00:58
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How pricey are the bettas? I don't need any but goddamnit I want one or six.
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Apr 29, 2020 01:15
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I don't like the idea of breeding something I can't even give away. I wonder how much of a legal leg they have to stand on.Ok Comboomer posted:
This sounds awesome. I couldn't find anything in a quick Google search, where are you looking? DeadlyMuffin fucked around with this message at 02:00 on Apr 29, 2020 |
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Apr 29, 2020 01:53
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DeadlyMuffin posted:I don't like the idea of breeding something I can't even give away. I wonder how much of a legal leg they have to stand on. Probably not much. I assume they mean in a hypothetical “giving away hundreds of fry online” sense and not in a “rehoming some ‘accidental’ babies with a friend” sense. They’d have to be pretty lovely to waste money going to court over an individual breeder who wasn’t trying to, like, operate an Etsy business or pet store. I googled things like “glofish danio hybrid” (even tho they aren’t really hybrids, since both parents are still fully zebra danios) or “glofish breeding cross” and found links to various aquarium forums and such. Bunch of people crossing glo danios w/ wild type (hobby type? I’m not sure the commercially available lines could reasonably be considered WT anymore, tho I guess they are in research settings) and getting nice striping and partial expression patterns. One video on YouTube of some tetra fry expressing pink fluorescence that supposedly came from a single pink glo-tetra housed in a school of regular fish. Cowslips Warren posted:How pricey are the bettas? I don't need any but goddamnit I want one or six. Females + “standard” males (shortfin? Idk betta morph names except that there’s a bunch) are $20 “Fancy” (longfin of some variety) males are $30. So like regular betta pricing, more or less. Whats interesting is that these guys still express little pops of red and blue in their fins and such, which I assume is an “original” or inherited color that they’re showing. It’d be interesting to see how that and the gfp expression mix in when breeding glo x glo or glo x something else. I wonder if you can get it to express in a mottled or chimeric pattern à la koi coloration. trilobite terror fucked around with this message at 06:30 on Apr 29, 2020 |
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Apr 29, 2020 06:27
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So far, I have two species of dwarf goby picked out in case they sell before the cycle finishes. They will be in a pack of 3. I'd like to add maybe habrosus or pygmaeus catfish so there can be 6-10 alongside 6 Red neon blue-eye rainbowfish. There would be a few snails (nerites) and dwarf scrimps. For a 20 gallon, is this too many for capacity? It does run a canister filter and is planted. Though, I need to find someone who sells moss that isn't DoA.
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Assuming you've got a 20g long, it looks pretty fine according to my species approximations. I've upped your numbers to ones better suited for the schooling fish, and used an aqua one aquis 750 as a guess for the canister and got aqadvisor to spit out this: I'm pretty sure you're not getting white cheeked gobies since they're brackish but aqadvisor doesn't have any stiphodon. In any case you have plenty of room still even adding shrimp and snails, filtration looks fine, temp of 24 deg C would be fine, etc. Looks like you could go as far as 15 pseudomugils and 20 corys to hit about 100% so that gives you room for accidental in tank breeding too.
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May 1, 2020 08:47
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Does anyone have a recommendation on a hundred gallon tank which doesn't break the bank? I'd prefer long and low. Rather than bowed out, or high.
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May 1, 2020 21:10
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https://www.amazon.com/Rubbermaid-Commercial-FG424288BLA-Structural-Capacity/dp/B004H35IV2/ for glass stuff idk, you'd probably lose in shipping
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May 1, 2020 21:23
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Hell yeah. 
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May 1, 2020 21:31
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If you just need a tank and don't need it to be pretty those Rubbermaid stock tanks are a killer value. I've still got my Frontosa and Julies in a 150g Rubbermaid tank in the garage because I've been too lazy to reseal the 180g and they love it in there. e: if you have an Orschelns or Tractor Supply nearby they are cheaper there than Amazon
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May 1, 2020 22:14
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Yeah stock tanks are pretty much the gold standard in aquatic turtle enclosures if you can’t get a Waterland tub.
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May 2, 2020 00:23
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That lady is using a lot of water taking baths
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May 2, 2020 00:39
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She's living her life. Can she not live?
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Stoca Zola posted:Assuming you've got a 20g long, it looks pretty fine according to my species approximations. I've upped your numbers to ones better suited for the schooling fish, and used an aqua one aquis 750 as a guess for the canister and got aqadvisor to spit out this: Cool beans, thanks! That's awesome. And I have two species in mind for the gobies. Neon blue dwarf or cobalt dwarf. I've wanted some gobes for forever, but they like to claim a spot as theirs. Still cycling though, I had to refeed it since the nitrate and nitrite spikes were huge when it went to 0ppm Ammonia. Edit: I did some digging and apparently it's a red devil canister filter from aquatop. The nice part is, the flow is good and I can put whatever I need into the media baskets. Purigen or Nitrazorb may likely be required because someone felt it's a an idea to add ammonia to drinking water. Aerofallosov fucked around with this message at 03:43 on May 2, 2020 |
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I went ahead and resealed that used 20g I got and am currently water testing it. I used Marineland Aquarium sealant a friend had lying around, I think it was a fairly old tube as it didn't come out of the nozzle as easily/smooothly as normal even though I cut and pierced it appropriately. At one point a tear ripped open at the bottom of the tube which created challenges but I think I applied enough of the product correctly, and assuming the silicone doesn't expire or something the seal should be good. One concern I have is how the gasket/seal at the corner looks:   Just wondering if this is a sign that the seal/gasket could fail. The tank was manufactured in 1991 and I believe has been resealed at least once. Here is a link to more images if interested: https://imgur.com/a/MSJs7Ut
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May 2, 2020 08:25
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Defininitely looks less than great. if you can, redo it
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May 2, 2020 09:08
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Synthbuttrange posted:Defininitely looks less than great. if you can, redo it This is my first time resealing a used tank, I don't think I have the tools or skills to take it all apart and redo the gasket. The tank was free so I'm only out my time and materials at least. It seems to be holding water well over night fwiw. From what I've read a leak should show within 24-48hrs but I guess that doesn't mean the gasket won't fail at some point.
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Corte posted:This is my first time resealing a used tank, I don't think I have the tools or skills to take it all apart and redo the gasket. The tank was free so I'm only out my time and materials at least. It seems to be holding water well over night fwiw. From what I've read a leak should show within 24-48hrs but I guess that doesn't mean the gasket won't fail at some point. I don’t like it. That’s one of those “everything is hunky dory until you hear a loud tearing sound and a pop one day, and suddenly your aquarium literally explodes” situations waiting to happen. If you’re only gonna be out the hypothetical cost of a tank (remember that petco does $1/gallon sales like constantly) you could always turn this one into a terrarium for some other inhabitant (you’re a goon, I’m sure you have one, or one in mind). Yes, you save some money in the short term. But it only takes one gasket failing after you’ve moved, placed, and filled your tank with 20gal of water and livestock to really bring the pain and costs.
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