|
JOHN SKELETON posted:I've always thought the first three books are kind of the prologue to the series. I was thinking something similar the other day. The first three books are the opening, the last three are the ending, and the middle chunk is what I normally think of as the series proper. In part that's everything staying status quo and big revelations just not happening, but it leads to a nice symmetry. COOL CORN posted:- Mat is finally the trickster wanderer badass. The Odin comparisons are starting to become clearer, but I know some of Min's foreshadowing still hasn't happen. Contrary to what I just said, I think Mat's development takes place more over books 3-4-5, much as Rand's happens in 1-2-3. In The Dragon Reborn, he gets his own perspective chapters and you see his Luck come into play. In The Shadow Rising, he goes through the redstone doorways, receives prophecy, memories of battle, and even more explicit Odin parallels. And then in The Fires of Heaven (I think; haven't gotten there yet in my audiobook listen), he ends up in command of men and starts his path to being a general, and the sixth of the Great Captains. I think six. Bryne, Jagad, Bashere, Niall, Ituralde, Cauthon. Yeah. (A warder lists the first five off when Bryne shows up at Salidar.) COOL CORN posted:Aw I will totally keep track of where you're at and spoiler whatever's not yet behind you. There's just so much to the series that it ends up making posts look like redacted documents. For instance, where I'm at, a couple books ahead of you, the best warder has just shown up. She's great. [Fires of Heaven spoiler]
|
#
?
May 13, 2020 01:32
|
|
the thread doesn't need to be censored on my behalf but I appreciate it
|
|
| # ? Jun 4, 2024 04:37 |
|
|
Couple more books and there’s barely anything to spoil for about another four, so you got that going for ya.
|
|
#
?
May 13, 2020 01:34
|
|
|
COOL CORN posted:Finally finished The Dragon Reborn. I took a long break in April since I was working through a movie marathon, so I need to go back and read a plot summary since I'm sure I've forgotten some threads. I'm on book 2 of this reread, and I'm getting the same feeling. Just... hold on to that, because while the next 4-5 get pretty jaw-dropping sometimes, those lovable character moments do start to vanish speaking of, I'm book 2 and no braid has been pulled nor dress smoothed down. am I reading the right series? 
|
|
#
?
May 13, 2020 02:59
|
|
|
That doesn’t seem right. Edit: had to look it up haha 
|
|
#
?
May 13, 2020 03:43
|
|
|
I will say that spoilers seem perhaps not so important in this series in particular, because its nature is such that upcoming events that people usually would want to spoiler-tag are generally less about BIG UNEXPECTED TWISTS and more about intricate character moments that just don't make sense without context and will be quickly glossed over and forgotten. There isn't tbh a whole helluva lot about the story that can be "ruined" by knowing what's coming because you can pretty much guess how it will go from the first book, and every big development is basically announced with a megaphone a book or two in advance. Of course there are things I'm eliding (lol) and I'm not saying not to spoiler but I'm just saying you likely won't singlehandedly ruin a new reader's experience
|
|
#
?
May 13, 2020 12:44
|
|
|
The "meta" nature of the story also reduces the impact of spoilers. This is, explicitly, a story where time is a wheel and the same things happen over and over again. Infinite variations of the same story, of every story. WoT shamelessly steals from everything. It boils those stories down to their bones, and then assembles them in a new way. That's how you have a book that is explicitly about the once and future king pulling a sword from the stone (of Tear) without it feeling like a complete rehash. Hell, the series opens with a book about a bunch of country folk who are whisked away by a wizard because a great evil is after them while dodging black-cloaked figures on the road and who are later met by a powerful ally at the first inn they visit. It amuses me that Nynaeve and Lan together are basically Aragorn. Nynaeve often fills Aragorn's role, and Lan has his backstory. Is it a surprise that their fates are continually intertwined? Is it a surprise that Nynaeve eventually raises an army for Lan to save the day and reclaim his birthright all at once? No. Because they're Aragorn, and that's what Aragorn did. Is this a spoiler? Debatable. All that said, I'm 100% OK with using spoilers when there's a new reader in the thread. The Babylon 5 thread does this for new watchers, and it's one of the most welcoming threads on the forums. It brings us a lot of joy when someone new pops in and wants to liveblog their thoughts. Using a few spoiler tags is a small price to pay for that joy.
|
|
#
?
May 13, 2020 18:24
|
|
|
It's like how one of the Heroes of the Horn, Birgitte Silverbow, is KIND OF Robin Hood if you squint pretty hard. She discusses one of her past lives where she was raiding out of Braem Wood, and I worded it this way so as not to give away her importance
|
|
#
?
May 13, 2020 18:43
|
|
|
Comrade Blyatlov posted:It's like how one of the Heroes of the Horn, Birgitte Silverbow, is KIND OF Robin Hood if you squint pretty hard. or, how there is an in-universe story about a magical man named "Lenn" who travels to the Moon, who had a daughter "Salya" who "walked amongst the stars" pretty clearly meant to be John Glenn, famous astronaut and Sally Ride, the first female astronaut in space
|
|
#
?
May 13, 2020 21:02
|
|
|
noted astronaut John Glenn who never actually went to the moon, lol
|
|
#
?
May 13, 2020 21:28
|
|
|
Comrade Blyatlov posted:noted astronaut John Glenn who never actually went to the moon, lol The story also said he rode in the belly of an Eagle, just like Armstrong's capsule. And talks about the giants (A)Merc(a) and Mosk(ow) who fought with light tipped lances of fire So yeah things got garbled over thousands of turnings of the Wheel lol
|
|
#
?
May 13, 2020 23:39
|
|
|
There's also been two Alans who walked on the moon(Shepard and Bean), I could see 'Lenn" being a corruption of Alan.
|
|
#
?
May 14, 2020 00:04
|
|
|
Fishylungs posted:I'm part way through Crown of Swords, when does it get revealed? I just got the reveal about the Kin. Not until A Gathering Storm, I think. You've got a few books to go before the real juicy stuff starts happening.
|
|
#
?
May 14, 2020 01:59
|
|
|
I just finished The Gathering Storm in my re-read and, man, so much happens in that book. Just an incredible amount.
|
|
#
?
May 14, 2020 02:10
|
|
|
Famethrowa posted:pretty clearly meant to be John Glenn, famous astronaut and Sally Ride, the first female astronaut in space Third after Valentina Tereshkova and Svetlana Savitskaya, thank you 
|
|
#
?
May 14, 2020 03:01
|
|
|
Famethrowa posted:or, how there is an in-universe story about a magical man named "Lenn" who travels to the Moon, who had a daughter "Salya" who "walked amongst the stars" Note carefully astronaut. She was preceded by twenty years by Tereshkova. fake edit: f,b.
|
|
#
?
May 14, 2020 03:03
|
|
|
Safety Biscuits posted:Third after Valentina Tereshkova and Svetlana Savitskaya, thank you Technically they would be cosmonauts.
|
|
#
?
May 14, 2020 03:05
|
|
|
Famethrowa posted:or, how there is an in-universe story about a magical man named "Lenn" who travels to the Moon, who had a daughter "Salya" who "walked amongst the stars" I thought Salya was a reference to the Salyut program
|
|
#
?
May 14, 2020 09:53
|
|
|
given the potential permutations of corrupted names and the ambiguity in descriptions of the legends you can just imagine they mean anything
|
|
#
?
May 14, 2020 11:36
|
|
|
Are we just going to not mention the millennia-bestriding figure of Wise Counselor Anla, whom we know as Ann Landers
|
|
#
?
May 14, 2020 13:21
|
|
|
I mean you may as well mention that the legend of King Arthur is just a hazy retelling of the events that happen in the series while you're at it.
|
|
#
?
May 14, 2020 14:09
|
|
|
Its also worth mentioning that the continent of Australia is now the Land of Madmen 
|
|
#
?
May 14, 2020 17:26
|
|
|
Data Graham posted:Are we just going to not mention the millennia-bestriding figure of Wise Counselor Anla, whom we know as Ann Landers The Wheel of Time may have been the first time I heard of the figure.
|
|
#
?
May 14, 2020 17:40
|
|
|
Comrade Blyatlov posted:Its also worth mentioning that the continent of Australia is now the Land of Madmen Wait, where's this in the books?
|
|
#
?
May 14, 2020 18:12
|
|
|
I think it's only ever mentioned in passing at best, but it's covered in the world of the wheel
|
|
#
?
May 14, 2020 18:14
|
|
|
It's also a Mad Max reference, where post-apocalyptic Australia devolves into roaming bands of survivors constantly preying on one another, where in "The Land of Madmen" guns and cars are replaced by channelers.
|
|
#
?
May 14, 2020 18:21
|
|
|
poo poo, I didn't even think of the Mad Max tie. Someone please remake that dull game but with channelers tia
|
|
#
?
May 14, 2020 18:51
|
|
|
Audiobook status:quote:“RAAAAHVIIIIN!” I was wondering how the narrator would handle it and Michael Kramer loving nailed it.
|
|
#
?
May 15, 2020 21:44
|
|
|
Vavrek posted:Audiobook status: Yeah that...that scene.
|
|
#
?
May 15, 2020 21:46
|
|
|
It's like he stopped, took a breath and a step back from the microphone, and just screamed at the ceiling of the studio at the top of his lungs. Also, I gotta say, reality-itself-endangering-or-not, balefire is super useful.
|
|
#
?
May 15, 2020 22:31
|
|
|
They use it a lot and it doesn’t seem to matter much.
|
|
#
?
May 15, 2020 22:34
|
|
|
Invalid Validation posted:They use it a lot and it doesn’t seem to matter much. It doesn't matter much until it super matters and then reality almost unravels. The war of power was something.
|
|
#
?
May 15, 2020 23:28
|
|
|
you know how you wear something for so long that it starts to get threadbare, but it seems fine and nothing feels out of place and then like one thread just pops out one day and next thing you know it's just kind of falling apart because very little was actually holding it together yeah
|
|
#
?
May 15, 2020 23:48
|
|
|
(the wheel of) time works the same way
|
|
#
?
May 15, 2020 23:50
|
|
|
I forgot how good AMOL was
|
|
#
?
May 15, 2020 23:59
|
|
|
silvergoose posted:(the wheel of) time works the same way there's 4 sa'angreal on the edge of a cliff,
|
|
#
?
May 16, 2020 00:12
|
|
|
Two become crystals, one gets blowed up, and the last is the friends we made along the way
|
|
#
?
May 16, 2020 00:38
|
|
|
But how many books does it take to set them up on the edge?
|
|
#
?
May 16, 2020 00:41
|
|
|
A prologue. But only if it's in the first three books
|
|
#
?
May 16, 2020 00:43
|
|
|
Siuan  But goddamn "I don't give a gently caress if I die, we lose Mat we lose it all." She was so good and gave so much of herself.
|
|
#
?
May 16, 2020 00:44
|
|
|
|
| # ? Jun 4, 2024 04:37 |
|
|
I’m going almost done with ToM now and while I like Perrin it’s taken what like 7 books for him to do something? Jesus Christ it feels like an eternity of just sitting around doing nothing. I swear you could make the whole series in 7 books or so if they cut all the boring stuff out. I know, real hot take here.
|
|
#
?
May 16, 2020 00:51
|
|