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That's a few steps beyond being a sex pest and well into predator territory. Edit: Digging in a little deeper, and...it's probably not a clear cut as Rowland makes it sound? I dunno, there are a number of people refuting Rowland's claims. Here are a couple: https://twitter.com/exaggerated/status/1276497203331293188 https://twitter.com/DevinLSinger/status/1276487429676040197 Doesn't really do anything to lessen Scott being a creeper, though. Ornamented Death fucked around with this message at 22:35 on Jun 26, 2020 |
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I hate that this is my professional sphere, I want to turn into a burnished metal orb and roll down the nearest hill into a compost heap
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General Battuta posted:I hate that this is my professional sphere, I want to turn into a burnished metal orb and roll down the nearest hill into a compost heap It's not your fault, you didn't make the lovely decisions they did. Please keep writing and publishing, you're good at it.
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Ornamented Death posted:That's a few steps beyond being a sex pest and well into predator territory. Yeah, nothing in any of these accounts with their different perspectives makes me feel any better about Scott Lynch's role in all of it.
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General Battuta posted:I hate that this is my professional sphere, I want to turn into a burnished metal orb and roll down the nearest hill into a compost heap Pretty much every field is going through this right now. A bunch of illustrators and animators also got named and shamed on twitter
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fritz posted:More sex pests: https://www.alexandrarowland.net/single-post/2020/06/25/On-Scott-Lynch-and-Elizabeth-Bear My personal feeling about this is that I feel sorry for Bear.
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The whole redhead thing in Gentleman Bastard really got even more creepy with all this. Like, from the wiki it's (cw: sexual assault, real creepy poo poo): In the books, we discover that Red-Haired girls (especially virgins) hold special properties when cut open and raped according to mythology in the country of Jerem. Just the grossest self-insert.
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It sounds like something really weird was going on with Lynch, but uhh... does the part where Rowland almost seems to brag about how everyone would believe they were a homewrecker because they’re so young and pretty and red-headed set off anyone else’s “this person might also be a bit off-kilter” alarm bells a little
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Prism Mirror Lens posted:It sounds like something really weird was going on with Lynch, but uhh... does the part where Rowland almost seems to brag about how everyone would believe they were a homewrecker because they’re so young and pretty and red-headed set off anyone else’s “this person might also be a bit off-kilter” alarm bells a little Yeah, I winced a bit at that, but it's not enough to make a judgment on.
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Does anyone subscribe to any of the venerable or less venerable magazines, Analog, Asimov's, Clarkesworld? I'm at a stage where I'd like to support more short-form work (teed off by a random post by Michael Swanwick on twitter) but not sure who to start with.
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Cefte posted:Does anyone subscribe to any of the venerable or less venerable magazines, Analog, Asimov's, Clarkesworld? I'm at a stage where I'd like to support more short-form work (teed off by a random post by Michael Swanwick on twitter) but not sure who to start with. Never read Analog, but I was subscribed to Asimov's, Clarkesworld, and Lightspeed for several years until I hit a time when I needed to save a few bucks. I liked them all, and they each had something distinctive to offer: Asimov's - more hard sci fi, also nonfiction pieces Clarkesworld - made an effort to include translated works Lightspeed - included fantasy stories as well as author interviews I think you'd do well to start with any of them. Also they tend to post back issues for free on their websites, so you could get a sense of what each is like that way.
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Pretty much if you want to critique scif & fantasy the megalists compiled by the SF-LOVERS maintainers are amazing. Currently am around the mid-November 1980 point in my SF-LOVERS Digest (SFL for short) read attempt. Many things exist in the future for the SFL mailing list. Return of the Jedi reactions (especially slave leia), expecting Dune, and the Predator movies to enrage people hard. Bladerunner is definitely gonna break minds in future SF-LOVERS land. At times the SFL read almost feels like modern SFF thread chat. One thing I missed mentioning from SFL Vol 01. SFL vol 01 had something about Harlan Ellison taking some of his lawsuit money winnings to put up a billboard dissing the opposing party at their place of work and/or company HQ SFL Vol 02 status: 69% completion, with over 110 bookmarks so far. Things of note in the SFL Vol 02 read are.... -lots of the cut scenes and concept drawings from New Hope + Empire Strikes Back got recycled for Rogue One....like Vaders iron castle in a sea of lava, and the slow ground effect destruction of the death star in Rogue One also got predicted in SFL chat, either as cut effects or as physics discussion about blowing a planet apart. -came across a SFL poster that I have mentally badged as "DolphinFucker". This person whipped out 3 detailed posts about dolphins and dolphin research lore by John Lily over the course of 3 days. Keep in mind this is circa 1980, and no gopher search protocol exists, no html exists, no google...this person had to have had everything on hand....hence "DolphinFucker" -first case of "Asimov non-consent" at a convention/award ceremony mentioned in SFL. Asimov kissed two ladies mouth-on-mouth on the stage, then defused everything by kissing Silverberg mouth-on-mouth the same exact way -a Heinlein defense squad has emerged, composed of the people who heavily espoused Robert Heinlein Libertarianism. the most strident member of the squad is unshockingly the SuperMechaGodzilla poster -the first book of Julian May's absolutely insane Many colored land/Ple-whatever series got teased for a mid 1981 release (I look forward to reading the SFL reviews of it). -Dr Robert Forward pimped the appearance of his daughter-in-law in a upcoming (now 39.5 yrs past) episode of Three's Company. Also in that same post Dr Forward doxxed his son whom also posts in the SFL -SFL SuperMechaGodzilla poster cemented their shitbag-troll status by mentioning how they have centaur on centaur artwork porn hanging in their work office just to troll for reactions. -the heinlein defense squad are also the people whom constantly hypothesize that Leia is going to get knocked up (as all women do in Heinlein stories) and the kid Leia will have is the "Other hope" mentioned by Yoda & Ghost ObiWan in Empire Strikes back. -DolphinFucker appeared a few more times, dropping dolphin research lore & tidbits like their first name and that they have a roommate. (Pity that roommate). -Carl Sagan's tv series COSMOS came out and most of the talk about it has been "INANE GRIN", "great teeth", "amazing toothpaste commercial", etc. -loving in mil-scifi stories, homosexual animal behavior observed in captivity/the wild (both topics are related so they got combined here) -a resurgence of MZB's Darkover series chat (ugh) -slams about PJF ripping off RZ then RZ ripping off PJF then thread agreement that both PJF + RZ are pastiche rip-offs -Dr Forward's doxxed son proposed a ID badge for SFL members to wear at future scifi/fantasy conventions for physical SFL meet and greet purposes, and the SFL is currently proposing logo ideas. quantumfoam fucked around with this message at 22:56 on Jun 27, 2020 |
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Ornamented Death posted:That's a few steps beyond being a sex pest and well into predator territory. Wait, Alex Rowland is Ariaste? I knew them back when I was active in Gentlemen Bastards fandom, 2014-2017 or so. They put a lot of time and energy into planning and organizing fandom events and collective fanworks; without them a lot of cool stuff would never have happened. They used the social capital this earned them to shame and exclude people who offended them, which was sometimes warranted (one person got this treatment for sexually harassing people at a con) and sometimes not (another got it for dropping out of Secret Santa one year). They were also constitutionally incapable of sharing the spotlight. It was impossible to plan any big project without Alex wanting to be involved in some major way, and it was impossible to talk about your accomplishments or experiences without Alex rolling in to one-up you. Which they could do pretty reliably, because no matter how cool getting signed copies of Lies and Karen Memory at a con was, it's not going to top "I had dinner with Scott and Bear, and stayed at their house, and Bear baked me a pie, and I'm in her secret ~authors only~ discord, and she asks me for relationship advice, and I helped Scott pick out his wedding outfit, and they're both my drinking buddies". Eventually that community schismed over the question of, basically, whether Alex was a shining light who had dragged the fandom out of obscurity and who we should all gather around in the hopes of sharing their access to Important Author People, or whether they were an egotistical rear end in a top hat who sucked all the oxygen out of the room while cynically exploiting their position in fandom to gain that access in the first place. That brought the chatroom down below critical mass, and since I don't Tumbl I have no idea what happened after that. ToxicFrog fucked around with this message at 23:29 on Jun 27, 2020 |
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ToxicFrog posted:Eventually that community schismed over the question of, basically, whether Alex was a shining light we should all gather around in the hopes of sharing their access to Important Author People, or whether they were an egotistical rear end in a top hat who sucked all the oxygen out of the room while cynically exploiting their position in fandom to gain that access in the first place. That brought the chatroom down below critical mass, and since I don't Tumbl I have no idea what happened after that. Speaking as one of the other people who were there regularly until the end, it got smaller and smaller, and then they got picked up and stepped back from poo poo (which also fits around the timeline of everything imploding between them, Lynch, and Bear) for their own stuff. I lost track around when I started law school, so I haven't been in touch with anyone for three years. But uh. Wish I had been a bit more critical back then.
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Cefte posted:Does anyone subscribe to any of the venerable or less venerable magazines, Analog, Asimov's, Clarkesworld? I'm at a stage where I'd like to support more short-form work (teed off by a random post by Michael Swanwick on twitter) but not sure who to start with. I'm currently subscribed to Asimov's and enjoying it very much. 6 'double' issues a year, about 200 pages a pop. You get a mix of short stories, novella-length, some book reviews, sci-fi history, lots of good stuff. edit: Asmiov's/Analog have a deal for back issue packs on their website, $8 for 8 issues for example. Tochiazuma fucked around with this message at 00:18 on Jun 28, 2020 |
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If you're attending virtual WorldCon and/or have a voting membership in the Hugos this year, just a reminder that you can also vote in the Sir Julius Vogel Awards this year, which are NZ's equivalent thereof. TBB/CC poster Surreptitious Muffin is up for Best Novel (The Dawnhounds) and Best New Talent this year and I'm up for Best Collected Work (Into the Mire) and Best Short Story (A Shriek Across the Sky), which is p cool. I'm not saying you should vote for us because we're goons, but you should definitely vote for us because my rigorous goon intellect asserts that our works are superior to all the others.
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TOOT BOOT posted:My personal feeling about this is that I feel sorry for Bear. Bear's been on borrowed time since 2009 for other reasons: https://twitter.com/sf_boswell/status/1276364713794973696
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I was active on LiveJournal during racefail and it dragged in all sorts of issues. I think that might have been what really got N.K. Jemisin motivated to publish.
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Nooblets posted:Speaking as one of the other people who were there regularly until the end, it got smaller and smaller, and then they got picked up and stepped back from poo poo (which also fits around the timeline of everything imploding between them, Lynch, and Bear) for their own stuff. I lost track around when I started law school, so I haven't been in touch with anyone for three years. Neither have I, apart from one person who I knew from before the chat. I should have known there'd be at least one other person from that channel hanging out ITT, though. I hope law school is going well! It must have been, what, nearly four years by now? quote:But uh. Wish I had been a bit more critical back then. Yeah, same :/
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Can someone summarize racefail in a way that doesn't involved digging through a bunch of 10 year old blogs?
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TOOT BOOT posted:Can someone summarize racefail in a way that doesn't involved digging through a bunch of 10 year old blogs? I read https://fanlore.org/wiki/RaceFail_%2709#How_it_began racefail appears to be: authors with a tendency to put non-white characters into subservient dehumanizing roles like Elizabeth Bear got called out on it by fans/readers of their work. Author responses were to doubling down on seeing nothing wrong with their stories and when further pushback by fans/readers critics happened, then escalated and got super toxic on social media. quantumfoam fucked around with this message at 02:25 on Jun 28, 2020 |
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quantumfoam posted:I read https://fanlore.org/wiki/RaceFail_%2709#How_it_began So basically gamergate but for SF/F fandom. Wonderful.
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ToxicFrog posted:Wait, Alex Rowland is Ariaste? I don't Tumbl either but someone linked me to a post Ariaste made that was basically a how-to guide to cozy up to famous people, earn clout, and make connections to build yourself a publishing career. They've had a reputation as a serial people-user for a very long time. I was only tangentially aware of the RaceFail stuff because I had mostly checked out of LJ by that point, but Ariaste never came out of any of these myriad situations looking good.
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pseudanonymous posted:So basically gamergate but for SF/F fandom. Wonderful. Very much not. Beneath the drama was some well-deserved calling-out and good pieces on what sf/f meant to people.
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quote:I’ve said that when you step on my foot once or twice, I might politely ask you to get off it. But by the thousandth time you do it, the excuse of “I didn’t see you there” starts to sound a hell of a lot like, “I don’t care enough about you to pay attention.” Boy doesn't that speak to the present moment even though it's from 10 years ago.
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Tochiazuma posted:I'm currently subscribed to Asimov's and enjoying it very much. 6 'double' issues a year, about 200 pages a pop. You get a mix of short stories, novella-length, some book reviews, sci-fi history, lots of good stuff. That back issue deal looks quite good to test the waters. I see the disclaimer about possible duplicates if ordering multiple packs. Has anyone bought this, and found whether buying two packs is likely to be chock full of duplicates, or is it more of just a CYA thing?
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I was actually friends with Rowland when I was in college; they were a junior when I was a freshman. They were nice enough but even back then had some tendencies towards drama and poor decision-making. EDIT: that said, they still come off more sinned against than sinning in this situation, but it’s a pretty ugly look all around Doctor Faustine fucked around with this message at 18:14 on Jun 28, 2020 |
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Cefte posted:Does anyone subscribe to any of the venerable or less venerable magazines, Analog, Asimov's, Clarkesworld? I'm at a stage where I'd like to support more short-form work (teed off by a random post by Michael Swanwick on twitter) but not sure who to start with. Funnily I'm at a similar point. I'm in the UK so decided to order an issue of Interzone to try out. Still waiting for it to arrive but happy to share thoughts when it does.
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Of all of the stupid SFF community poo poo to come up this week, Benjanun Sriduangkaew coming back and trying to pretend that she's nice now somehow manages to still be Top 3. She's trying to write off her past like she was a bit snarky when she went on months-long harassment campaigns where her sockpuppets would tell other authors to get raped to death by dogs. One of her targets killed themselves, ffs. "I've been lovely in my past" is such a colossal understatement and not even close to the apology the community deserves.
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This Is How You Lose the Time War by Amal El-Mohtar and Max Gladstone - $2.99 https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07MNG496J/
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SurreptitiousMuffin posted:Of all of the stupid SFF community poo poo to come up this week, Benjanun Sriduangkaew coming back and trying to pretend that she's nice now somehow manages to still be Top 3. She's trying to write off her past like she was a bit snarky when she went on months-long harassment campaigns where her sockpuppets would tell other authors to get raped to death by dogs. One of her targets killed themselves, ffs. "I've been lovely in my past" is such a colossal understatement and not even close to the apology the community deserves. RH should have stuck with going after people like Bakker.
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Nearly finished reading SFL Vol 02, however came across something that should be of interest (royalty payments) to the SFF authors that read this thread. tldr: Dr Robert Forward discloses his contract with Ballantine books for DRAGON'S EGG royalties ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 21 DEC 1980 1001-PST From: FORWARD at USC-ECL Subject: Financial arrangements of writing I don't know about the more complicated financial arrangements of well-known authors, but I can say something about a typical first-author contract with a good publishing house. My contract with Ballantine for DRAGON'S EGG pays the following royalties: 10% of the retail price for hardcover copies 8% of the retail price for the first 150,000 paperbacks 10% of the retail price for paperbacks above 150,000 It gets more complicated as we get into trade editions, book clubs, foreign publications, and other rights that Ballantine's staff sells to others. Typically Ballantine keeps 50% of book club license fees (the SF Book Club is paying a royalty of 30 cents or about 5% of their price. I get half of that.), and keeps 25% of foreign rights, which vary widely with country and difficulty of translation. There will be English, German, and Japanese versions of DE. In order to keep beans on the table of the author while he is finishing off the manuscript and waiting the typical year between delivery of MS and publication of book, and an additional year before the sales are counted and the royalty calculated, the publisher makes an estimate of the minimum amount of royalties that can be expected and gives the author a portion of that as an advance payment against the royalties. If the book does well, then the advance is paid off in the first year and from then on the author gets royalty checks. If the book does poorly, it may never sell enough copies to pay off the advance. As an author becomes better known and gets better agents, then the agents keep the foreign and other rights and sell them separately, the percentages rise, the advances become larger, and other clauses dictating print run sizes and advertising budgets start to appear. In answer to Steve Zeve's specific question, since the payment is based on a percentage of the retail selling price, the payments to the authors have been in general keeping up with the increases in book costs. Bob Forward ------------------------------
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fritz posted:RH should have stuck with going after people like Bakker. Bakker is definitely guilty of writing a few books that aren't very good, but I'm not aware of anything he has done that warrants being harassed by weirdos? genericnick fucked around with this message at 21:57 on Jun 28, 2020 |
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SurreptitiousMuffin posted:Of all of the stupid SFF community poo poo to come up this week, Benjanun Sriduangkaew coming back and trying to pretend that she's nice now somehow manages to still be Top 3. She's trying to write off her past like she was a bit snarky when she went on months-long harassment campaigns where her sockpuppets would tell other authors to get raped to death by dogs. One of her targets killed themselves, ffs. "I've been lovely in my past" is such a colossal understatement and not even close to the apology the community deserves. Oh yeah I forgot all about this. Man, that was some crazy drama, she apparently is the heir of some obscenely rich Thai hotel magnates and her parents covered up a bunch of chemical poisonings of workers at the hotel she was managing. In additional to all the telling people to die online. Her reviews were kinda funny in that way that really bad reviews are, but crossed the line in actually wanting physical harm to come to the authors.
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Everyone look at my giant book from New Zealand!!  I'm spending my reading time divided between nonfiction, webnovels, and Dragonsbane by Barbara Hambly an' this. I'm beginning to think I never actually read Dragonsbane ten years ago because I remember nothing about it and it's really, really good. Why have I been avoiding it all these years?
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