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Invalid Validation posted:It’s like early book one. It is a little weird since he’s old enough to be her grandpa. But he’s a solid beef boi so who wouldn’t? He's not that old. He's almost too young to be her dad. She's mid to late 20s and he's 45 at the beginning of the series.
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I think Nynaeve would slink away from the tower immediately cause that’s what she did through most of the books.
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Old Kentucky Shark posted:Siuan and Leanne looked younger after being stilled, but that's a separate thing from the oath rod. Several Aes Sedai over the course of the novels (and all black ajah) unbind from the oath rod without getting younger, so we know that just not being bound doesn't remove the ageless face effect. Well it is a plot point that the Tower Aes Sedai used sisters that were newly raised to help capture Rand because they didn't have the ageless face yet. It's possible that it may also take some time to wear off after being unbound.
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Jul 11, 2020 18:53
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awesmoe posted:I wonder if it’s a coincidence that tar valon looks like a vagina in the maps It's not. Also Dragonmount, the largest (phallic) object created by a man, casts a shadow that almost, but not quite, reaches the White Tower. (It does shadow over a portion of the city)
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Jul 11, 2020 19:48
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Dragon "mount" lmao
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If that’s subconscious that’s funny, if it’s deliberate, that’s kinda creepy.
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Invalid Validation posted:If that’s subconscious that’s funny, if it’s deliberate, that’s kinda creepy. Islands in the middle of rivers tend to look like that. What’s actually kind of funny is the spiderweb across the thing.
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Invalid Validation posted:If that’s subconscious that’s funny, if it’s deliberate, that’s kinda creepy. It's absolutely on purpose. If you look at the map Tar'valon is anatomically correct with a clit, labia, vaginal opening, and anus. And it's arguably the center of female power on the continent. I have less evidence that the Dragonmount is a big ol dick, but knowing Jordan it absolutely is. He likes his symbolism like that.
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Jul 12, 2020 14:39
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Eighties ZomCom posted:Well it is a plot point that the Tower Aes Sedai used sisters that were newly raised to help capture Rand because they didn't have the ageless face yet. It's possible that it may also take some time to wear off after being unbound. i don't think it was planned out very well. Just a plot device for the tar valon escape for min and co
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Submarine Sandpaper posted:what always confused me is how black aes sedai don't lose the ageless. They remove the oathrod oaths. They make new ones but iirc don't no channeling make those oaths as well? No ageless faces on them and obviously not being able to channel removes any oaths. No, the black ajah have a set of unique 3 oaths they swear on the oath rod that other darkfriends don't have.
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Jul 12, 2020 15:05
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Basileus777 posted:No, the black ajah have a set of unique 3 oaths they swear on the oath rod that other darkfriends don't have. One of them is something like can't reveal their involvement until the hour of their death. Are the other 2 ever revealed?
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UltraRed posted:until the hour of their death. Was there ever an explanation for why they included that bit in the oaths?
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bloom posted:Was there ever an explanation for why they included that bit in the oaths? Not directly. Ishamael is the one who founded them though and who presumably instituted the policy of oaths to keep them incognito. And that is a dude who would absolutely use grandiose and flowery language like that
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UltraRed posted:One of them is something like can't reveal their involvement until the hour of their death. Are the other 2 ever revealed? These are the oaths that bind Darkfriends: 1) I shall obey all commands given by those placed above me in service to the Great Lord. 2) I shall prepare for the day of the Great Lord’s return. 3) I swear not to betray the Great Lord, to keep my secrets until the hour of my death. It should be noted that these were taken straight from Robert Jordan’s notes, where he had added “May vary the wording a little.” In regards to the second oath, Verin helping Rand is preparing for the day of the Great Lord's return by having Rand ready to fight him. It's the second time she takes an oath literally to work for the light.
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Just like the normal oaths, they mean nothing because you can skirt around it.
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Submarine Sandpaper posted:what always confused me is how black aes sedai don't lose the ageless. They remove the oathrod oaths. They make new ones but iirc don't no channeling make those oaths as well? No ageless faces on them and obviously not being able to channel removes any oaths. The only reason they can remove the oaths (and put three new ones back) is they have a second oath rod nobody knows about That makes me wonder though if the number of oaths influences the side effects, like agelessness or life shortening. Each successive oath is described as a tightening of the skin, to the point it would make moving uncomfortable, so it stands to reason more = worse
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DarkHorse posted:The only reason they can remove the oaths (and put three new ones back) is they have a second oath rod nobody knows about Do we have evidence of that? I thought they just used the Tower's rod. It's not like it's well guarded or would be missed if the BA used it for an hour as we see when the BA Hunters take it. Or indeed when Egwene takes it to the Salidar Aes Sedai camp after the Seanchan attack and as far as we hear no one notices it's missing.
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No they absolutely do not. The extra one was given to the shaido by sammael, but no, the black ajah definitely uses the same rod. The ageless look is from having the oaths at all.
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silvergoose posted:No they absolutely do not. The extra one was given to the shaido by sammael, but no, the black ajah definitely uses the same rod. Oh whoops, got these bits confused
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Soysaucebeast posted:It's absolutely on purpose. If you look at the map Tar'valon is anatomically correct with a clit, labia, vaginal opening, and anus. And it's arguably the center of female power on the continent. I have less evidence that the Dragonmount is a big ol dick, but knowing Jordan it absolutely is. He likes his symbolism like that. Oh come on, I think you're reading a bit much into this. There's just no way he'd be so blatant about  Welp.
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Soysaucebeast posted:It's absolutely on purpose. If you look at the map Tar'valon is anatomically correct with a clit, labia, vaginal opening, and anus. And it's arguably the center of female power on the continent. I have less evidence that the Dragonmount is a big ol dick, but knowing Jordan it absolutely is. He likes his symbolism like that. It's less that Dragonmount is actually penis-shaped than that it is a towering man-made object and literal expression of male power. It has all of the phallic object associations without being a literal dildo.
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So when Androl pulls the lava from below Dragonmount what are the symbolic associations 
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Comrade Blyatlov posted:So when Androl pulls the lava from below Dragonmount what are the symbolic associations To be fair, Sanderson made that up. But I doubt he's entirely incompetent in the field of freudian imagery. VAGENDA OF MANOCIDE fucked around with this message at 23:37 on Jul 12, 2020 |
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Comrade Blyatlov posted:Oh come on, I think you're reading a bit much into this. There's just no way he'd be so blatant about Ghislaine of YOSPOS fucked around with this message at 00:07 on Jul 13, 2020 |
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Jul 12, 2020 23:47
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So everyone's coming around to my initial read that the whole thing was (or at least started as) a reaction to the "Tolkien-dominated fantasy is a sausage-fest" landscape by saying "OK so what if we made a topsy turvy universe where women were in charge because men raped the world" "I bet they would argue a lot"
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I mean to be fair, the men in lotr argued all the goddamn time about everything.
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Men are from Mount Dick, women are from Vagina Island
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When Rand stood on top of Dragonmount, the shadow of the dong reached the vag, and finally having relieved 3000 years of pent up frustration, Rand could save the world
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Data Graham posted:So everyone's coming around to my initial read that the whole thing was (or at least started as) a reaction to the "Tolkien-dominated fantasy is a sausage-fest" landscape by saying "OK so what if we made a topsy turvy universe where women were in charge because men raped the world" Isn't there an interview from back in the day where RJ explicitly says as much, albeit more from a standpoint of fantasy in general being male-centric tester than specifically calling out LotR?
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Comrade Blyatlov posted:When Rand stood on top of Dragonmount, the shadow of the dong reached the vag, and finally having relieved 3000 years of pent up frustration, Rand could save the world "The Last Nut Begins!"
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I do enjoy this progression discussion every time it comes up. Tolkien - What if I was writing about the british adventures of the mainland and instead had it as the adventures on the manland? RJ - What if I was writing about adventures on manland and instead made it adventures in Randland? Goodkind - What if I was writing about adventures in Randland and instead chose adventures Ayn Randland? For obvious reasons we could go further back, all writers riff on old stories.
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Data Graham posted:So everyone's coming around to my initial read that the whole thing was (or at least started as) a reaction to the "Tolkien-dominated fantasy is a sausage-fest" landscape by saying "OK so what if we made a topsy turvy universe where women were in charge because men raped the world" Mat Cauthon posted:Isn't there an interview from back in the day where RJ explicitly says as much, albeit more from a standpoint of fantasy in general being male-centric tester than specifically calling out LotR? The interview in question, I think he mentions reading a book that sounds a lot like Terry Pratchett's Equal Rites though he doesn't say the book's name, then decided to write "what if they wouldn't let a Man be a wizard?" TBF the book as written has more depth than just that, mostly because men actually did gently caress up, badly, so they aren't letting men be wizards for good reason, not just prejudice.
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Comrade Blyatlov posted:So when Androl pulls the lava from below Dragonmount what are the symbolic associations Magma is stored in the balls. Comrade Blyatlov posted:Oh come on, I think you're reading a bit much into this. There's just no way he'd be so blatant about It's also a pretty common island formation in rivers. 
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The Grove Spot, obviously
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jetz0r posted:Magma is stored in the balls. Her faction sabotaged both harbors.
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My brain always reads Seanchan as “See-ahn-chan,” but google says it’s actually “Shawn-chan”. That’ll be way more fun to say with a lazy southern drawl.
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Jul 13, 2020 21:56
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That's how the audiobooks do it yeah.
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i realize i'd probably feel less salty about the whole 'egwene captured by the tower and spanked endlessly' thing if she didn't end up dying near the end. having to go through all that dumb poo poo just to get vaporized.
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Johnny Joestar posted:i realize i'd probably feel less salty about the whole 'egwene captured by the tower and spanked endlessly' thing if she didn't end up dying near the end. having to go through all that dumb poo poo just to get vaporized. She went through all that to lead a united Tower into battle for the fate of mankind, giving the Light the chance at a victory that would have been impossible without her. In that battle, she sacrificed herself to take out a far more powerful piece on the other side, helping to secure victory with her own death.. I'd say that is pretty good payoff, even if you dislike the general arc.
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Gnoman posted:She went through all that to lead a united Tower into battle for the fate of mankind, giving the Light the chance at a victory that would have been impossible without her. In that battle, she sacrificed herself to take out a far more powerful piece on the other side, helping to secure victory with her own death.. I'd say that is pretty good payoff, even if you dislike the general arc. i mean yeah it caps off well enough story-wise. it's just a personal gripe i have, really. i would have been better off with it if she'd been able to at least enjoy the fruits of her labor, personally. especially after bearing the brunt of jordan's weird fetish.
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