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logger posted:We don't even know what fruit Orochi has yet, we know hydras are a thing because of Magellan's "Poison Hydra" attack so it could be possible that Orochi's fruit was something like "Hebi-hebi no mi: Model Hydra" It's the Hebi-Hebi no mi, model: Yamato-no-Orochi. There was a title card and everything, if I recall correctly.
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Bleck posted:It's the Hebi-Hebi no mi, model: Yamato-no-Orochi. There was a title card and everything, if I recall correctly. According to the wiki you are right, it has been so long ago I forgot about it.
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Jul 17, 2020 21:43
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JahRoo posted:Give me a Yamato and Katakuri crew in the straw hat grand fleet I’m straight up expecting that, if Yamato doesn’t join the crew directly (and I would be fine with that!) then I would expect him to join whatever fleet that Wano gets after it’s opened up, which I expect to join the Straw Hat Grand Fleet. I’m curious to see where Kaido’s announced plan is gonna go, as it is WAY too big of a plan for it to get derailed here, even if Luffy & co. absolutely crush them here. What if Kaido has to move in with Big Mom?
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Jul 17, 2020 21:52
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What a terrible translation! Chapter was good though! The "controversy" is a total non-issue. Who cares if he's dead? He's been put in his place and gotten his comeuppance for selling out the country to Kaido. Now, will he use his devil fruit power to slither back to life and get a cathartic fight against one of the many people who have a problem with him? Sure, why not, that'd be cool. But it doesn't matter. He's dead. Because Kaido wanted him dead. If his body is still somehow alive, there's no life it can live after Kaido has made that gesture. His authority was based on his alliance, and that's over now. Even if he's alive he has absolutely nothing. Whether his death is symbolic or literal, it's got the same world-changing finality to it. If it turns out he's up for a fight against the samurai or something that's fine. It won't undercut the "holy poo poo, Kaido killed Orochi" moment here one bit. As for the rest of the chapter: Kiku is the best samurai. Yamato is totally welcome on the crew as far as I'm concerned. To heck with that "allied crew" stuff. Oden sailed with Whitebeard and Roger. Let Yamato sail with Luffy. There's something about the scale of the New Onigashima plan that's making me wonder in the back of my head- what if Kaido wins and actually upsets the balance of the world, waging a global war from his insurmountable pirate fortress? They've hinted at the consequences of the ancient weapons falling into the wrong hands, what if the story after this arc is dealing with the consequences of that actually happening? It's not an outcome I'd bet on- it still seems very unlikely the Strawhats would end an arc by fleeing again- but there's just enough drama and interesting consequences that for the first time it seems like a possibility. Maybe Kaido really is an insurmountable obstacle at this time.
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Jul 17, 2020 23:26
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My bad, he's a snake not a hydra. Still though, people get executed and fatally wounded all the time in OP and still turn out fine! Orochi is 100% alive.
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Jul 18, 2020 00:01
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He's an Orochi, an eight headed snake. So basically a hydra.
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Jul 18, 2020 00:11
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The last time someone got their head chopped off in One Piece it went pretty well for them all things considered.
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Jul 18, 2020 00:23
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Waffleman_ posted:He's an Orochi, an eight headed snake. So basically a hydra. There's nothing about regenerating heads in the Orochi myth.
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Jul 18, 2020 00:57
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Blockhouse posted:There's nothing about regenerating heads in the Orochi myth. And for what it’s worth, the Orochi of myth was defeated when he was decapitated when he stuck his eight heads in eight sake barrels that were set out by the guy that killed him. Given he was trashed on Kaido’s sake, I would say it fits the bill well enough to say he might be dead. Or maybe Oda’s gonna pull a fast one and we’re gonna find out that it’s only called the Orochi model in Wano, and across the rest of world it’s the hydra fruit!!! Gasp!!!!
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Jul 18, 2020 01:03
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Funky Valentine posted:The last time someone got their head chopped off in One Piece it went pretty well for them all things considered. Have you ever heard of the Law of Equivalent Exchange? Pound was already decapitated, so in order for Oda to reattach his head, another head had to be detached.
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Jul 18, 2020 01:18
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orochi is very clearly, imo, not dead for 2 reasons 1 - it would invalidate the ENTIRE thing about toki's prophecy coming to life in a pretty absurd way, like a plot thread that was explicitly built up for quite literally no reason and 2 - it would be a fantastic waste of opportunity to allow a villain so wonderfully crafted to be killed with such little catharsis as that. to the best of my knowledge this is the only OP villain that has a subreddit dedicated solely to hating him. oda did so phenomenally well building up to a moment where we can see a true, complete victory for the good guys and he's not gonna throw that away on a technicality "oh kaido just got sick of him" . phenomenal chapter as always lately. big mom's mere presence continues to impress, i loved the side comments about how creepy she was. yamato's design is phenomenal as is kikus
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Jul 18, 2020 04:08
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I can absolutely believe Oda is going to sandbag Orochi by not even letting him have an actual fight and just get killed for mouthing off to his boss
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Jul 18, 2020 04:24
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I have faith in One Piece of course, but this kind of feels like if Lucci had just murdered Spandam on the tunnels.
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Jul 18, 2020 04:29
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This kinda feels like when Thanos undid/prevented sacrificial deaths and then later killed those characters on his terms.
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Jul 18, 2020 05:09
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one of two things could happen about that big thing and the really cool thing is that either of them will be great
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Jul 18, 2020 05:16
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I’m really hoping that Orochi survives the decapitation, but partly because I kinda hope that, if he DOES live, he doesn’t know his fruit can do that and freaks out. I also can imagine Oda having a good time with Orochi coming to and doing everything in his power to make sure nobody noticed his new head. Plus we need catharsis. On the subject of Kiku and the blood on her blade, I’m guessing she won and is reasonably crying over cutting down someone who was a lifelong friend that morning.
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Jul 18, 2020 05:21
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orochi is so odious that i wont be disappointed if he stays dead, hes worse than spandam
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Jul 18, 2020 06:17
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scary ghost dog posted:orochi is so odious that i wont be disappointed if he stays dead, hes worse than spandam i feel like Spandam was a little worse because he was just a piece of poo poo with no caveats, I at least feel a little sorry for Orochi sometimes because he’s just a stupid moron who was tricked into seeking revenge
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Jul 18, 2020 08:44
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Tir McDohl posted:I don't know if it's the bad translation, but no one has mentioned what appears to be Yamato telling Luffy he wants to join the crew. That translation is amazingly bad. I don't think that I've ever read a translation that made me wonder if I missed a chapter before. However, Yamoto's got real big problems if he wants to join the Strawhats while actually knowing about One Piece. Especially since, bad translation caveates by the ton, it looked like he was about to say what the One Piece was and how that would/wouldn't work with Kaido's plan while Luffy was busy turning the dial up to 12 because someone else was calling dibs on being King of the Pirates.
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Jul 18, 2020 15:35
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I expected Orochi to be flat-out killed by the end of the arc, but not like this. I feel like somehow his Devil Fruit might save him. It's just too sudden and unfulfilling since it was Kaido killing him instead of a more meaningful character. That, and it'd be weird for Oda to give him a Mythical Zoan just to have it used exactly once during a temper tantrum and never again.
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Jul 18, 2020 17:41
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my expectation was since orochi had 8 heads, all of the remaining 8 scabbards would have a final shot of all of them cutting off each head in a double panel, but now my cool fanfic idea cant happen and thats ok bc oda rules
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Jul 18, 2020 18:26
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Im fine with kaido just offing orochi like this. while sure if this is actually orochis death its unfulfilling on a personal scale for the scabbards but Kaido is a global power. Almost a force of nature. orochi was always a petty piece of poo poo and Kaido very obviously hates associating with him. And now he dares to give him sass? Off with your head. but Orochi is nothing if not a tenacious and crafty fucker. In fact that might be all he is.
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Jul 18, 2020 18:41
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Agreeing with the poster that stated even if Orochi isn't dead he may as well be due to his power only being in place due to Kaido viewing him as a useful ally of convenience. Now that he's formed a pact with Big Mom and has effectively taken control by openly attacking Orochi in public and telling his samurais to join or die, Orochi has no actual power anymore and only a shitton of enemies to deal with unless CP0 suddenly intervenes.
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ChaseSP posted:Agreeing with the poster that stated even if Orochi isn't dead he may as well be due to his power only being in place due to Kaido viewing him as a useful ally of convenience. Now that he's formed a pact with Big Mom and has effectively taken control by openly attacking Orochi in public and telling his samurais to join or die, Orochi has no actual power anymore and only a shitton of enemies to deal with unless CP0 suddenly intervenes. it makes sense that the cp0 will intervene because wano is the source of all of WG's seastone!!! its gonna happen.
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Jul 18, 2020 19:01
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i want Orochi to slither off and do something lovely behind the scenes to gently caress Kaido over. Then he can run into the scabbards defenseless and die. Contacting CP0 and letting the marines invade sounds likely
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Jul 18, 2020 19:20
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Wapol, Spandam, and Orochi are going to open a chain of payday loan shops as the core of the next cover arc. They'll finally be completely ruined by Johnny and Yosaku taking out way too many loans and never paying them back.
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Jul 18, 2020 19:51
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euphemism posted:it makes sense that the cp0 will intervene because wano is the source of all of WG's seastone!!! its gonna happen. CP0 or Sword might want to alpha strike this anyways since a Yonko alliance that is also partly a Rocks Pirates reunion is baaaaaad bad bad bad BAD news. Rigged Death Trap fucked around with this message at 20:38 on Jul 18, 2020 |
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Jul 18, 2020 20:34
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Rigged Death Trap posted:CP0 or Sword might want to alpha strike this anyways since a Yonko alliance that is also partly a Rocks Pirates reunion is baaaaaad bad bad bad BAD news. didnt they say they couldnt bc they were abolishing the shichibukai?? i guess they finished that tho
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Jul 18, 2020 21:02
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euphemism posted:didnt they say they couldnt bc they were abolishing the shichibukai?? i guess they finished that tho I think initially Akainu didn't want to bother with Wano since theyre not part of the WG. But word of the Kaido-Big Mom alliance is going to force them to be involved.
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Jul 18, 2020 21:49
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Better translation!
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Jul 18, 2020 22:16
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This is gonna be like that one oden chapter where the scanlations completely changed what he said
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Jul 18, 2020 22:25
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Not really worth discussing the dialogue nuances until the official release imo.
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Better, definitely still not great.
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Jul 19, 2020 00:42
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headless drawings that can still fight hmmmmm
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Alright, one interesting thing that I have taken away from rereading the new scanlation is that Kaido says “It doesn’t matter whether Kozuki or Kurozumi rules!” which makes me think that he still wants a local ruler. I reckon he thinks that the factories will be easier to run with a puppet king that has a legitimate pedigree, and has decided that Momo would be a lot easier to control than Orochi. It would explain why he wanted the boy brought back alive; it wasn’t about seeing if he had grown up to be like his badass dad, it was about getting ahold of a scared child he could immediately replace the slimy snake jerk with.
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oddium posted:headless drawings that can still fight hmmmmm Yeah I definitely noticed that, seems possible that's where Oda's going with that
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i am tim! posted:Alright, one interesting thing that I have taken away from rereading the new scanlation is that Kaido says “It doesn’t matter whether Kozuki or Kurozumi rules!” which makes me think that he still wants a local ruler. I reckon he thinks that the factories will be easier to run with a puppet king that has a legitimate pedigree, and has decided that Momo would be a lot easier to control than Orochi. It would explain why he wanted the boy brought back alive; it wasn’t about seeing if he had grown up to be like his badass dad, it was about getting ahold of a scared child he could immediately replace the slimy snake jerk with. But that line of thinking does bring up a very dumb/weird thought: Kaido might respect his son's gender identity, but the purpose of a dynastic ruler is to produce children. If Yamato is to be Shogun... I wonder if Kaido is going to set his son up with a consort with which he can produce children at some point. Children of dynastic importance not being able to chose their own spouses is already a timeless theme. It gets a bit more interesting/troubling when we're acknowledging that they can chose their own gender identity.
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Eiba posted:He says at the end his son Yamato will be Shogun of New Onigashima. I wonder if Yamato has some dynastic claim through his mother, or if Kaido just thinks ruling "New Onigashima" directly is going to be beneath him while he wages a global war. Maybe Kaido knows about a certain someone existing that is able to change someones gender
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Jul 19, 2020 03:17
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It's also possible that Kaido is just comfortable with the idea of his family owing Ivankov a big favour.
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Eiba posted:He says at the end his son Yamato will be Shogun of New Onigashima. I wonder if Yamato has some dynastic claim through his mother, or if Kaido just thinks ruling "New Onigashima" directly is going to be beneath him while he wages a global war. i dont think kaido is worried about lineage. i think he just needs someone to rule in his absence while he goes after one piece
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