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Jonny 290 posted:the reason some people wont let the solar roadway thing go is because they're trying to justify building more roads for more cars so they can live in a nice suburb that's close to the Good Schools if you know what i mean. The entirety of post-war American culture already exists, though? "They ain't gotta justify poo poo" (as the kids say these days). Like, solar roadways are the deciding factor in exactly 0% of situations, literally no road engineer thinks they work (because they loving don't, in fact: has it ever actually even been installed?) and it's a little bit strange to present it like it's this hugely impactful thing either in popular or professional mindshare? 
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the most american thing to do is offer a promise that things can get meaningfully better via one weird trick that won't impact your day to day life, like solar roads, electric cars, misuse of industrial boring equipment, etc.
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Jul 28, 2020 17:49
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the only reason to have solar roadways is for easy and sick drifting in any car
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Jul 28, 2020 17:50
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qirex posted:the most american thing to do is offer a promise that things can get meaningfully better via one weird trick that won't impact your day to day life, like solar roads, electric cars, misuse of industrial boring equipment, etc.
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Schadenboner posted:Like, solar roadways are the deciding factor in exactly 0% of situations, literally no road engineer thinks they work (because they loving don't, in fact: has it ever actually even been installed?) this was the French test. I recall a test for Solar Roadways somewhere too
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Jul 28, 2020 18:07
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the appeal i think some people like is the promise of some idyllic wanking about not putting the functional thing where you can see it like some roadway nimby
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Jul 28, 2020 18:09
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FilthyImp posted:They did a test run somewhere and the result was pretty terrible. Like huge maintenance costs bad. wasnt it a sidewalk at a rest area and even then it crumbled in a year
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Jul 28, 2020 18:09
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Agile Vector posted:wasnt it a sidewalk at a rest area and even then it crumbled in a year yeah, they were 't even traffic-facing tests. 
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Jul 28, 2020 18:12
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Agile Vector posted:wasnt it a sidewalk at a rest area and even then it crumbled in a year It actually caught fire and the livestream captured it
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Jul 28, 2020 18:18
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Michaellaneous posted:It actually caught fire and the livestream captured it truly the tesla of paving solutions
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Jul 28, 2020 18:19
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qirex posted:truly the tesla of paving solutions nobody died tho 
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Jul 28, 2020 18:25
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i think like a lot of bazinga obsessions you start with a genuinely utopian idea - e.g. "it would be amazing if you could turn roads into solar panels" - that would be a great idea if several generational leaps in multiple, unrelated fields of science, technology and engineering could be made simultaneously, but then just ram whatever existing technology you have to hand at the problem and declare it done. anyone pointing out that the end result completely fails to meet the criteria of either "solar panel" or "road", let alone improve on either of them, is an anti-science fudster who wants to obstruct the amazing future
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Jul 28, 2020 18:26
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problem though: a utopia wouldn't have roads.
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Jul 28, 2020 18:34
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remember when they tried to convince people to install 'solar roofs' by solarcity, no these will actually replace your shingles lol
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Jul 28, 2020 18:35
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Jonny 290 posted:problem though: a utopia wouldn't have roads.
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Jul 28, 2020 18:49
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Jonny 290 posted:remember when they tried to convince people to install 'solar roofs' by solarcity, no these will actually replace your shingles i assumed it has something to do with how you get a tax break for the square footage of the roof that regularass solar panels are covering when you do the install and roof replacement at the same time so hey why not make the entire roof out of the solar panels and get even more of that sweet sweet government subsidy
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Jul 28, 2020 19:04
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love too wait seven weeks for the one authorized Tesla Solar Roof Guy in the region to come fix the hole in my roof or else the warranty gets voided
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Jul 28, 2020 19:30
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Love the roof, though.
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Jul 28, 2020 19:31
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my radical vision for the future: the present, but with a magical life support machine that means nothing ever needs to change. thank you, thank you. that will be 20 billion dollars
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Jul 28, 2020 21:21
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A roadways even that large an area in total surface area? Like they're long but they're narrow so I can't imagine they actually take up that much space. I mean I guess if you include parking lots it would be a lot more but I don't know how people are thinking about this, and parking lots would have the issue of being mostly covered by cars during the day anyway.
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Jul 28, 2020 22:40
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looks like most controlled access lanes not in super-crowded urban areas are a standard of 12 feet center to center on the paint, plus breakdown/shoulder lanes and barriers. if youve ever been in a wreck on an interstate and left your car, or are otherwise unlucky enough to have to cross a freeway on foot, you'll be surprised at how wide it is.
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Jul 28, 2020 23:06
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the lines on the highway are 15 feet long and 45 feet apart. weird, isn't it
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Jul 28, 2020 23:15
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Sagebrush posted:the lines on the highway are 15 feet long and 45 feet apart. the fact that they aren't 13.2 feet long with 39.6 feet of whitespace is an offense to bored roadtrippers.
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Jul 28, 2020 23:29
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The Little Death posted:A roadways even that large an area in total surface area? Like they're long but they're narrow so I can't imagine they actually take up that much space. I mean I guess if you include parking lots it would be a lot more but I don't know how people are thinking about this, and parking lots would have the issue of being mostly covered by cars during the day anyway. nah not really compared to the total right of way needed for all the stuff that isn't the paved traveled way of a roadway, particularly so for highways since you need so much clear zone next to them (30' width minimum each direction) and median separation and drainage swales and whatnot you know what might be a better place for solar panels? how bout all the roof space on all the buildings, i bet that has a few advantages
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Jul 29, 2020 01:06
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Really you just want big solar farms where land is unused and cheap, rather than solar on the roof of every house.
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Jul 29, 2020 02:02
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if we got off our rear end and got our grid on HVDC we could put solar thermal plants in a few worthless corners of southwest states and generate enough power to run the entire nation for free forever, including transmission losses
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Jul 29, 2020 02:25
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Jonny 290 posted:if we got off our rear end and got our grid on HVDC we could put solar thermal plants in a few worthless corners of southwest states and generate enough power to run the entire nation for free forever, including transmission losses where are you on a worldwide grid?
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Jul 29, 2020 03:48
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yippee cahier posted:where are you on a worldwide grid? 0,0 naturally
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Jul 29, 2020 03:54
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really trying to talk myself out of ordering the mach e
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Jul 29, 2020 05:03
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Jonny 290 posted:if we got off our rear end and got our grid on HVDC we could put solar thermal plants in a few worthless corners of southwest states and generate enough power to run the entire nation for free forever, including transmission losses I read an article recently about the unforeseen challenges with maintenance / reliability on thermal solar plants, but I can't find it now for the life of me. It would have been an article from an actual industry source, not the NY Times or something similar. I still like the idea though, and every new technology is going to have growing pains.
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Jul 29, 2020 05:13
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thermal solar is a great idea, but it just isnt going down the cost curve in the same way that photovoltaic solar is pv solar is deployable in about a hundred times more places, and with a hundred times more flexibility of scale even its best feature (the way that the molten salt stores heat and generates power overnight) is less of a winner given the ongoing price drops in bulk battery storage handling the molten salt is tough - if you use metal pipes they corrode, and if you use plastic/pvc pipes they melt
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Jul 29, 2020 05:23
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PIZZA.BAT posted:really trying to talk myself out of ordering the mach e what do you need it for
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Jul 29, 2020 05:50
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Has elon said he's going to put solar panels in his tunnels and the hyperloop yet?
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Jul 29, 2020 06:01
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Boody posted:Has elon said he's going to put solar panels in his tunnels and the hyperloop yet? regenerative headlight recovery system ™️
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Jul 29, 2020 06:03
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PIZZA.BAT posted:really trying to talk myself out of ordering the mach e they sent me a free mach 3 when i turned 18
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Jul 29, 2020 06:14
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PIZZA.BAT posted:really trying to talk myself out of ordering the mach e it's an suv with a mustang badge the cayenne of mustangs
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Jul 29, 2020 06:18
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stirlo posted:regenerative headlight recovery system ™️ Tweet that at him at 2am on Friday night and I bet it will end up in a future Tesla
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Sagebrush posted:it's an suv with a mustang badge it looks so cool why'd they have to call it a mustang dang nabbit. edit: it's 71k cad for the only proper package which is premium awd extended range. $71k for a ford that's not a truck? no way jose. Nitr0 fucked around with this message at 08:35 on Jul 29, 2020 |
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Jul 29, 2020 08:28
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PIZZA.BAT posted:really trying to talk myself out of ordering the mach e get a lotus, op
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Skim Milk posted:get a lotus, op 
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