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Ryaomon: Mar 19, 2007; Ask me about being a racist piece of shit with a racist gimmick

The Marines are a subgroup of the Naval Corps. How do people not already know this???

TheLoneStar posted:

Speaking of Belo Betty, anyone else wish the introduction of the commanders of the Revolutionaries was more impressive? We've been waiting like fifteen years to see the higher-ups aside from Dragon and Sabo, and they take down a complete joke of a villain barely worth more than a high East Blue bounty. Doesn't make them seem very strong at all.

I was disappointed in the sense that this series has way too many characters as is and yet new ones keep getting introduced only to do nothing with them. These guys and the Scabbards have all been incredibly boring and one dimensional, and just when we get introduced to a bunch of high level Beast Pirates we spend half a chapter getting to know the rest of the Flying Six. Like gently caress dude remember Speed and Holdem and that one sumo guy who amounted to nothing? Remember when Law dropped that he had 15 other crewmembers? There are too many people to keep track of and maybe 10% of them are interesting.

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# ? Jun 12, 2024 09:47

Begemot: Oct 14, 2012; The One True Oden

I love Oda's character designs, so I hope he introduces five new characters in every chapter from now on.

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davidHalestorm: Aug 5, 2009

tbp posted:

this isn't directly related, but this comment made me think about how much i like the political structures in one piece

the wg is its own beast but i mean particularly the territory of the emperors we've seen. it's logical that they are the way they are, in that totland offers a genuinely welcoming environment for a lot of disparate races and its seemingly peaceful sans the timely big mom rampage. it makes sense that people would live there the same way they would in alabasta. wano of course makes a TON of sense, where there's a real sense of genuine decline in the nation, with the flagship samurai becoming weaker over time through the lack of leadership, the privileged few being powerful enough to keep an isolated population under lock and key, etc.

oda's so good at worldbuilding

Don't forget that in Totland, you're forced to literally give up a portion of your soul to Big Mom as "payment" to stay every so often. She then used it to create Homies that in turn used to spy on the populace 24/7. And that in addition to the aforementioned Big Mom's rampages. It's a much worse living situation than Alabasta.

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Blockhouse: Sep 7, 2014; You Win!

Begemot posted:

I love Oda's character designs, so I hope he introduces five new characters in every chapter from now on.

yeah I love Bleach

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AtomikKrab: Jul 17, 2010; Keep on GOP rolling rolling rolling rolling.

Tolth posted:

Reminder that Shanks forced the Beast Pirates back in a sea battle somehow.

And its a shame because Kaido would have helped fight the WG and free Ace (because he wants to recruit Ace simply for his name)

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Professorjuggalo: Oct 22, 2019; by Cyrano4747

AtomikKrab posted:

And its a shame because Kaido would have helped fight the WG and free Ace (because he wants to recruit Ace simply for his name)

which would have led to ace saying no and getting his head knocked off by kaidos club (and the world destroyed)

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Last Celebration: Mar 30, 2010

Professorjuggalo posted:

which would have led to ace saying no and getting his head knocked off by kaidos club (and the world destroyed)

Nah, he probably would have just been dumb enough to send Ace to jail with halfassed sea prism cuffs like Luffy in hopes of breaking him.

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jassa: Nov 7, 2005; "He's so awesome!"
He really is!

Ryaomon posted:

I was disappointed in the sense that this series has way too many characters as is and yet new ones keep getting introduced only to do nothing with them. These guys and the Scabbards have all been incredibly boring and one dimensional, and just when we get introduced to a bunch of high level Beast Pirates we spend half a chapter getting to know the rest of the Flying Six. Like gently caress dude remember Speed and Holdem and that one sumo guy who amounted to nothing? Remember when Law dropped that he had 15 other crewmembers? There are too many people to keep track of and maybe 10% of them are interesting.

It feels like what you're really complaining about is the way Oda gives names to relatively unimportant characters, and leaves them behind after he's done with them (which may only be a couple of chapters). But there's nothing wrong with that. Not every character needs to be fleshed out, given a strong personality and backstory, and brought back again and again throughout the series - or even the arc.

As for Kaido's forces, I assume we were introduced to them in advance so the action could flow better once the poo poo hit the fan. Much like how we got introduced to all the major players in the Marineford War before the fighting started.

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Darth Walrus: Feb 13, 2012

Tolth posted:

Reminder that Shanks forced the Beast Pirates back in a sea battle somehow.

They're heavy on the fruit use, which is a natural disadvantage in naval battles against anyone with enough natural power and talent.

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Last Celebration: Mar 30, 2010

Darth Walrus posted:

They're heavy on the fruit use, which is a natural disadvantage in naval battles against anyone with enough natural power and talent.

Also Devil Fruits are a huge advantage in the short term but once you reach a certain level of power they�re not really a huge advantage, like how our main character�s ability to deflect blunt damage is now meaningless and is probably now worse at taking hits than his top combatant who can cut mountain-sized opponents into pieces just by being Sword Guy.

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Libra: Jan 5, 2011

Unless you're Donquixote Doflamingo and you somehow get so good at string magic that you become a complete and utter bullshit man.

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No Wave: Sep 18, 2005; HA! HA! NICE! WHAT A TOOL!

Ryaomon posted:

The Marines are a subgroup of the Naval Corps. How do people not already know this???

I was disappointed in the sense that this series has way too many characters as is and yet new ones keep getting introduced only to do nothing with them. These guys and the Scabbards have all been incredibly boring and one dimensional, and just when we get introduced to a bunch of high level Beast Pirates we spend half a chapter getting to know the rest of the Flying Six. Like gently caress dude remember Speed and Holdem and that one sumo guy who amounted to nothing? Remember when Law dropped that he had 15 other crewmembers? There are too many people to keep track of and maybe 10% of them are interesting.

I don't really have an issue with characters not having much development if I don't have to care about them. Speed and Holdem served their plot purpose and I don't have to care about them anymore so that's fine, they're just colorful henchmen I don't need to know anything more about.

Flying Six yeah I can't keep track of because they're introduced by name, not by doing things and fulfilling an immediate plot purpose like Speed and Holdem were. And now we've got both them and the Orochi Oniwabanshu to keep track of - and none of them have gotten much characterization.

I agree with you on the scabbards, I don't really care about any of them except Cat, and for whatever reason I'm more invested in Cat's history with Jack than his history with Kaido.

No Wave fucked around with this message at 15:40 on Aug 4, 2020

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i am tim!: Jan 5, 2005; God damn it, where are my ant keys?! I'm gonna miss my flight!

Last Celebration posted:

Also Devil Fruits are a huge advantage in the short term but once you reach a certain level of power they�re not really a huge advantage, like how our main character�s ability to deflect blunt damage is now meaningless and is probably now worse at taking hits than his top combatant who can cut mountain-sized opponents into pieces just by being Sword Guy.

Eh, sort of? I don't think Haki negates the devil fruit stuff, it just allows you to bypass it if you can overpower the other guy's haki. During the Doffy fight Luffy's shown to use his Haki to enhance his bouncy-ness enough to bounce back Doffy's ha-kick. It's definitely a curve-flattener so the series doesn't just become a matter of Luffy tripping into the Arc Villain's Devil Fruit weakness over and over again.

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Libra posted:

Unless you're Donquixote Doflamingo and you somehow get so good at string magic that you become a complete and utter bullshit man.

It's funny because I think if Doffy had used his "HAHA, I CAN USE MY STRINGS TO GIVE MYSELF EMERGENCY STITCHES, HAHAAAA!" power in a better paced arc, it would have been seen as this clever use of his power to add unexpected tension... But nah, Oda had to use it to stretch out the worst paced part of the worst paced arc. I also don't get why his Bird Cage string is so strong. Like, I guess Haki is the explanation but doesn't that take extended concentration to keep going?

i am tim! fucked around with this message at 15:35 on Aug 4, 2020

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Doctor_Fruitbat: Jun 2, 2013

I don't think that anyone, including Dressrosa defenders such as myself who think the situation created by birdcage was fine, are going to argue that the birdcage itself wasn't monstrously stupid and should be completely ignored.

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No Wave: Sep 18, 2005; HA! HA! NICE! WHAT A TOOL!

Here's a list of every ability doflamingo used:

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Parasite (寄生糸パラサイト Parasaito?, literally meaning "Parasite String"): Doflamingo attaches his strings onto his targets' spine at the base of the neck and manipulates their movements like marionettes; usually, only single strings seem to attach to them, at least when more than one is targeted. The controlled can still control their head, but everything below the neck is manipulated by Doflamingo, as seen when the controlled are still able to talk and make their own facial expressions, which contradicts their forced actions. Although Doflamingo is commonly seen moving his fingers in a similar manner to how a marionettist manipulates a marionette while controlling people (it visually mimics the marionette cross with a few alterations (both middle and pinky fingers are extended while the index and the ring finger are curved back at the upper digits while the thumb sticks out)), it does not seem to be necessary, due to the fact that he can control many individuals at the same time (which also makes it seem that Doflamingo does not have to concentrate on the control(s) at all) and, in the anime, he was able to control with both hands in his pockets. While just barely visible, the strings used with this technique are so strong that they can completely and instantly disable the likes of the physically extremely strong "Diamond" Jozu[24] and Sanji, even keeping his victims trapped floating mid-air,[4] and none of his shown victims were able to resist at all. That was until Luffy managed to break free from the control by getting the strings to snap off his body by the sheer brute strength of his Gear Fourth being activated (interestingly, in Luffy's case, more strings were attached).[10] The technique was first seen used to force Vice Admiral Mozambia to attack Vice Admiral Stainless during the Jaya Arc,[2] and its name was revealed during the Dressrosa Arc in the flashback during Doflamingo's takeover of Dressrosa eight years before the start of the series, when he demonstrated the ability to take control of King Riku and many of his soldiers at the same time from far away.[17] This attack was incorrectly named Marionette (マリオネット Marionetto?) in One Py Berry Match and One Piece: Burning Blood.

Sora no Michi
Doflamingo using Sora no Michi.
Sora no Michi (空の道 Sora no Michi?, literally meaning "Sky's Path"): Doflamingo attaches his strings to clouds, allowing him to move through the air. He was first seen using the technique to travel from Dressrosa to Punk Hazard,[25] but there were not enough clouds for him to be able to complete the journey.[26] When Doflamingo was attacking the Straw Hats and Law at Green Bit, Law instructed the Straw Hats to sail along a route without any clouds, as doing so would prevent Doflamingo from pursuing them.[4]
One Piece Burning Blood Donquixote Doflamingo (Artwork)
Goshikito correctly displayed in One Piece: Burning Blood.

Goshikito (五色糸ゴシキート Goshikīto?, literally meaning "Five Color Strings"): Doflamingo swipes his hand to slash his target with five strings coming out from his fingers. In the anime, the strings initially appear to be of a mere spider web white color, although a shimmering of colors within each string can be seen; this is changed later on, making each string one solid distinct color: red, yellow, green, blue and purple. Also, when Issho brought down a meteor, Doflamingo used a similar technique by crossing two Goshikito together to form a net-formation, though smaller in comparison and, unlike Kumo no Sugaki, able to slice through matter.[23] It was first clearly shown being used against the G-5 Marines on Punk Hazard during their short confrontation[8] and named when Doflamingo used it against Sanji during the Dressrosa Arc.[4]The name of this attack comes from the color change strings display when reflecting light (shown correctly only in the game One Piece: Burning Blood). In the Viz Manga, it is called Penta-Chromatic String.

Overheat
Doflamingo using Overheat against Luffy.
Overheat (超過鞭糸オーバーヒート Ōbāhīto?, literally meaning "Excess Whip String"): Doflamingo shoots a thick rope made of condensed strings from his palm and whips it at the target. Overheat's range can go from the sky of Green Bit all the way to Dressrosa, a distance of many kilometers, and is strong enough to cut through a building at that range. It was first seen being used in his fight against Sanji in an attempt to finish him off.[4] The anime has an added effect of the whip, exuding high amounts of heat, causing it to glow a fiery orange and steam. In the FUNimation subs, the first time it was used, it was called Overheat, but the second time (in the same episode) it was subbed as Excess Whip String. In the video game One Piece: Pirate Warriors 3, Doflamingo stretches the rope far back, then slams it onto the ground causing a powerful explosion upon impact (but not before binding up his foes first with Parasite); the rope can be fired at tremendous speed and with no obvious warning.

Tamaito (弾糸タマイト Tamaito?, literally meaning "Bullet String"): Doflamingo points at his opponent with his index finger and fires a small bundle of strings from it, as if he were firing a gun; he can shoot multiple rounds from both hands simultaneously. It was first seen being used in the fight against Law on the iron bridge.[27] It was used earlier in the anime, when Doflamingo was chasing Law on Green Bit.[28] The attack's power and effect are similar to Shigan, but it has the advantage of the longer range of a normal gun.

Black Knight
Abdullah and Jeet destroy a string clone made with Black Knight.
Black Knight (影騎糸ブラックナイト Burakku Naito?, literally meaning "Shadow Knight String"): Doflamingo forms a clone of himself made entirely out of compressed strings. The technique was used to survive Kyros' attempted decapitation,[29] with Viola remarking that she had never seen it before herself, suggesting that it is rarely used given her ability to see everything going on in Dressrosa. Doflamingo has shown great skill in manipulating his clone to orchestrate combined attacks with his real body, such as a double Goshikito[7] or unravel it for use of Torikago.[7] Apparently, the clone is very physically strong, able to simply swat a Jet Pistol from Luffy.[30] Finally, since the clone consists entirely of strings, it does not feel pain and nor does it carry physical pain back to Doflamingo, unlike other devil fruit copies. Viola called the clone Marionette (操り人形マリオネット Marionetto?), Law similarly referred to it as a "string puppet", Trebol referred to it as Ito Joker (糸ジョーカー Ito Jōkā?, literally meaning "String/Thread Joker") when he asked Doflamingo where it had flown off to after one of them confronted Luffy and Law,[30] and the technique was formally named when the real Doflamingo created a clone in his battle against Law and Luffy.[31] In the anime, during Doflamingo's final battle against Law and Luffy, the clone glows sky blue to violet and the strings are visible as white flashes to distinguish it from the real thing. In One Piece: Pirate Warriors 3, the clones have strings attached to them (like an actual marionette) which serves as a visual cue allowing the player to tell the difference between the Black Knight string clones and the real Doflamingo. In One Piece: Burning Blood, it appears under the name Tread Clone.

Torikago
The Birdcage surrounding Dressrosa.
Torikago (鳥カゴ Torikago?, literally meaning "Birdcage"): Doflamingo's ultimate technique. He exudes immense amounts of strings from the center of a palm[32] or a previously created string construct like a string clone, unravelling it, which shoot high into the sky as a concentrated beam. When high enough, they diverge to rain down to all sides in an umbrella-like fashion to cover a large area, even the whole Dressrosa, creating a gargantuan, razor-sharp wire-domed force field, slicing absolutely everything that passes through it, from cutting physical things to even severing such immaterial things as the signals of Den Den Mushi to the outside.[7] The singular bars are incredibly strong, with even multiple mountain-sized meteorites being unable to dent them, let alone breach through them.[9] Generally, the Torikago is Doflamingo's last resort for any desperate situation where he cannot allow anyone in the area to escape, such as when he prevented his brother from escaping from him with the Ope Ope no Mi by covering a portion of Swallow Island (unaware at the time that it was already eaten by Law) more than a decade before the start of the series,[32] or in the event that, during the Dressrosa Arc's midpoint, Sugar fainted, the effects of the Hobi Hobi no Mi on Dressrosa's citizens were cancelled and the reconverted people rebelled, so that he could kill everyone so no one would reveal the country's dark secrets.[7] The Torikago will remain standing as long as Doflamingo is conscious[33] and, should he desire, he can cause the cage to slowly but surely close in, eventually cutting anything inside apart, as when he desired for the "endgame" after his entire crew (sans Trebol and himself) were defeated;[34] Doflamingo can freely control the shrinking rate.[35] The cage does not contract towards its original center point: instead, it slowly converges on Doflamingo's position as it shrinks.[36] With enough physical force, the Torikago's advancement can be halted for a brief duration.[37] Logically, one can also escape the Torikago if one is immune to cutting damage, as Buggy would be able to do so via his Bara Bara no Mi powers.[38]

Parasite (Enhanced): Doflamingo's Parasite can be enhanced when used in combination with the Torikago, to the point that those "marionette" strings can spread all across the entirety of Dressrosa in the cage's confines and control an extremely large amount of people simultaneously without any apparent strain on Doflamingo, causing extreme mayhem.[7]

Fulbright (降無頼糸フルブライト Furuburaito?, literally meaning "Dropping Ruffian String"): Doflamingo creates five detached strings from his hand and throws them downwards to impale his target from above. This attack was first used against Law in their second encounter at Dressrosa's royal palace. [39] In the anime, a similar unnamed attack was used against Law during their battle at the bridge.[40]

Kumo no Sugaki
Doflamingo uses Kumo no Sugaki to destroy a tower sent at him by Law.
Kumo no Sugaki (蜘蛛の巣がき Kumo no Sugaki?, literally meaning "Spider's Web"): A defensive technique. As the name implies, Doflamingo creates a huge web made of string that protects him from incoming projectiles. This was first used to block a massive piece of the Dressrosa Royal Palace, thrown at him by Law's powers during their final fight.[41] In the anime, he can layer them on top of one another and they can easily withstand Busoshoku Haki-enhanced Gear Second and Gear Third techniques while merely being pushed back, rather than being damaged in any way.
Itonoko

Doflamingo preparing to use Itonoko.
Itonoko (糸ノコ Itonoko?, literally meaning "Fretsaw"): Doflamingo creates a string from the heel of his foot and attaches the other end to his leg. Holding the opponent down with his arms, he then uses the taut string as a saw to sever the opponent's limb. The produced cut is rather jagged, making it very hard to reattach any severed limbs.[42] This was first seen used to cut off Law's right arm in their second encounter, and named by Trebol.[41] This attack gets its name from the real world cutting tool called the fretsaw, which consists of a metal frame and a thin blade held under tension.

Shufuku Sagyo (修復作業 Shūfuku Sagyō?, literally meaning "Repair Operation"): Doflamingo uses his strings to stitch together his internal organs have they been injured, acting as a rudimentary form of first aid; however, this is only a temporary measure as this does not heal him, just minimizes further damages (this was evidenced during the final stage of his battle with Luffy, when Doflamingo was still suffering some pain of Law's Gamma Knife time after). It was first used to treat the devastating effects of Law's Gamma Knife. The anime depicted the necessity for Doflamingo to repeatedly renew the strings for the recuperation to last, being shown to repeatedly touch his stomach with his open palm to do so.[6]

Athlete (足剃糸アスリイト Asurīto?, literally meaning "Leg Shave String"): Doflamingo attaches several long strings to his foot and kicks his opponents, cutting them. This was first seen used against Luffy in their final fight, who, despite blocking the blow with his arms while also using Busoshoku Haki, still took damage and fell into Trebol's trap.[1]

Awakened TechniquesEdit
Break White (荒浪白糸ブレイクホワイト Bureiku Howaito?, literally meaning "Raging Waves White String"): Doflamingo creates two large, thick sheets of string that wrap around his opponent and crush them. This was first used during Doflamingo's fight against Law and Luffy, to attack Luffy in mid-air, but Luffy managed to avoid it, although in the anime it demonstrated some sentience as it continued to attack Luffy after it missed him the first time.[34]

Offwhite
Doflamingo uses Off White against Luffy.
Off White (盾白糸オフホワイト Ofu Howaito?, literally meaning "Shield White String"): Doflamingo creates two large masses of strings from the ground near him before swiping at an opponent with them. This was first used to counter Luffy's Gomu Gomu no Double Culverin in their final fight.[43] In One Piece: Pirate Warriors 3, Doflamingo uses this technique to defend against Luffy and Sabo's Gomu Gomu no Heat Magnum, however the attack manages to burn through the strings.

Billow White (大波白糸ビローホワイト Birō Howaito?, literally meaning "Billow White String"): Doflamingo turns several buildings into towering masses of strings before sending them at an opponent. This was first used against Luffy in their final fight.[44]

Ever White (海原白波エバーホワイト Ebā Howaito?, literally meaning "Deep Sea Whitecaps"): Doflamingo kneels and touches the ground with his hands before turning a vast amount of the surrounding area into string. This was first used against Luffy in their final fight.[45] The literal kanji reading is "Unabara Shiranami"; "shiranami" (lit. white wave) is not only a term for a whitecap/white-crested wave, but also a term for a thief. This Doflamingo's only technique with the "ito"-suffix that does not have the "string/thread kanji" for it.
Senbon no Ya Flap Thread
Doflamingo uses Flap Thread against Luffy.

Flap Thread (羽撃糸フラップスレッド Furappu Sureddo?, literally meaning "Feather Attack String"): Doflamingo condenses the vast amount of string from Ever White into countless points infused with Busoshoku Haki, which he refers to as a "Thousand Arrows" (千本の矢 Senbon no Ya?), before sending them at his opponent in the formation of two wings. It is possibly a homage to his childhood while he was being tortured as someone wanted to fire a thousand arrows at Doflamingo and his family.[46] This was first used against Luffy in their final fight.[47]

God Thread (神誅殺ゴッドスレッド Goddo Sureddo?, literally meaning "God/Divine Execution"): Doflamingo summons sixteen thick, Busoshoku Haki-infused bundles of string that form sharp points, which he refers to as "Sixteen Holy Assassin's Bullets" (16発の聖なる凶弾 Jūroppatsu no Seinaru Kyōdan?), and sends them at his opponent in a piercing formation. It is possibly a homage to his childhood while he was being tortured as a father cried out that the Celestial Dragons shot his son sixteen times with a pistol; Doflamingo's cruel way to mock said father, as well as showing how much he desperately wants to regain his title as a World Noble.[46] This was first used against Luffy at the end of their final fight, but was broken through by his King Kong Gun.[48] In the anime, this attack, enhanced by Busoshoku, was able to pierce into Luffy's King Kong Gun, slightly, but was incapable of stopping it.[49] In One Piece: Burning Blood, it appears as Doflamingo's Ultimate Attack and after God Thread skewers the opponent the threads explode outward.

lol

No Wave fucked around with this message at 16:10 on Aug 4, 2020

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RatHat: Dec 31, 2007; A tiny behatted rat👒🐀!

I wouldn't have minded the birdcage if Zoro and Fujitora weren't there. It was just profoundly stupid that even they couldn't break it. You'd think a string power would be weak to strong swordsmen.

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Libra: Jan 5, 2011

I even think his bizarre power to turn entire buildings into string is potentially very interesting, suggesting that devil fruit powers are actually a lot more abstract than previously thought if you can figure out the correct way to "awaken" them, but on top of all the other ridiculous things he did, it just ended up adding to the bullshit pile.

# ? Aug 4, 2020 16:19

No Wave: Sep 18, 2005; HA! HA! NICE! WHAT A TOOL!

We saw that ages back with Kuma, it was just too much at the wrong time with Doflamingo.

# ? Aug 4, 2020 16:21

Professorjuggalo: Oct 22, 2019; by Cyrano4747

RatHat posted:

I wouldn't have minded the birdcage if Zoro and Fujitora weren't there. It was just profoundly stupid that even they couldn't break it. You'd think a string power would be weak to strong swordsmen.

This is my real knock against it, those two and kin�emon should have totally cut it down early on

# ? Aug 4, 2020 16:22

Eiba: Jul 26, 2007

RatHat posted:

I wouldn't have minded the birdcage if Zoro and Fujitora weren't there. It was just profoundly stupid that even they couldn't break it. You'd think a string power would be weak to strong swordsmen.

I wouldn't have minded as much if they had just shown their impotence differently- like they cut through a thread easily, but more threads flow in to replace it before they can get out or something.

Zoro pushing on a string with sparks flying from his swords was a bad visual. If Doflamingo can coat an entire island in these strings, why doesn't he make invincible armor clothes out of them?

Or he could have implied better that this had all been set up. Using his powers he meticulously wrapped the kingdom in secret for years and years, so it's not just a last minute desperation attempt by one man that's stopping literally every strong person on that island easily, but something that represents a whole lot of effort on Doflamingo's part.

At the time I think I was inclined to give it the benefit of the doubt and just roll with the story, but in retrospect... yeah. It could have been done better. Like, I think most people here would rather just not have Birdcage at all- the fight would have been fine without it- but if you want to do something like Birdcage, it could have been better thought through. And probably should have been, given its unprecedented scale.

# ? Aug 4, 2020 16:30

CodfishCartographer: Feb 23, 2010; Gadus Maprocephalus; Pillbug

No Wave posted:

Here's a list of every ability doflamingo used:

lol

Honestly I'm okay with Doffy having kind of a hosed up nonsense power, cus so does Luffy. It shows how you can use your brain to really enhance an otherwise-seemingly-useless devil fruit.

CodfishCartographer fucked around with this message at 16:55 on Aug 4, 2020

# ? Aug 4, 2020 16:34

i am tim!: Jan 5, 2005; God damn it, where are my ant keys?! I'm gonna miss my flight!

Yeah, Doffy being able to come up with new powers by using his power in abstract ways is a really neat idea and I hope it means Luffy gets to do something like turning a room into the deadliest bouncy castle ever. I just hope that kind of creativity isn't used to pad out something incredibly stupid again.

EDIT: You'd think of Doffy could create enough Unbreakable Diamond Filaments to cage an entire island that he'd also be able to make all those strings just pop up out of the ground and immediately impale everybody he wants dead.

i am tim! fucked around with this message at 16:50 on Aug 4, 2020

# ? Aug 4, 2020 16:48

No Wave: Sep 18, 2005; HA! HA! NICE! WHAT A TOOL!

Luffy's powers have never extended beyond his own body and he doesn't do anything these days a normal person can't one way or another (outside of eating a lot). Like being a rubberman hasn't really been relevant for the past five hundred chapters. Gear 3rd is the most preposterous ofc but it's generally just a fun visual for hitting someone hard.

No Wave fucked around with this message at 17:02 on Aug 4, 2020

# ? Aug 4, 2020 16:59

Libra: Jan 5, 2011

I do hope that before the end of the story Luffy gets to pull off some real weird bullshit that stretches the definition of his powers. Just once, though.

Also pun genuinely not intended.

# ? Aug 4, 2020 17:05

Sub Harrison: May 2, 2013

I like Gear 2nd where Luffy uses his rubber blood vessels to harness the destructive power of high blood pressure.

# ? Aug 4, 2020 17:09

Eiba: Jul 26, 2007

No Wave posted:

Luffy's powers have never extended beyond his own body and he doesn't do anything these days a normal person can't one way or another (outside of eating a lot). Like being a rubberman hasn't really been relevant for the past five hundred chapters. Gear 3rd is the most preposterous ofc but it's generally just a fun visual for hitting someone hard.

On that note, I forget how Luffy's been taking bomb collars off people. This chapter it looked like he was bending and stretching them. I know haki is involved, but was the process described as something anyone with good haki could do, or is it a Luffy-specific ability?

Because if Luffy is using haki to turn bombs into rubber, that's kind of significant. But I honestly forget if we saw other people doing the same thing or not, or what we were told when it first happened.

# ? Aug 4, 2020 17:17

No Wave: Sep 18, 2005; HA! HA! NICE! WHAT A TOOL!

Rayleigh does the same thing in Saobaody with Caimie's collar which is how Luffy knew it was possible. I don't know the details but it's for sure Haki.

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Professorjuggalo: Oct 22, 2019; by Cyrano4747

Luffy learned it from the hyogoro dude in prison

# ? Aug 4, 2020 17:21

i am tim!: Jan 5, 2005; God damn it, where are my ant keys?! I'm gonna miss my flight!

I figured that the bombs have some kind of clockwork mechanism to set it off, and Rayleigh/Luffy were using their Observation Haki to detect when to grab it when they had the most time to get it off before it blows. I'm betting the collars themselves aren't that terribly strong and Luffy can probably crush them without much effort, but doing it without timing is a great way to get a head blown off.

# ? Aug 4, 2020 17:24

CodfishCartographer: Feb 23, 2010; Gadus Maprocephalus; Pillbug

I thought the cuff/collar thing is Luffy extending his haki forward beyond his hands and destroying the internals of the mechanism to take it off before it explodes, or something. Wasn't that more or less his training in the prison?

No Wave posted:

Luffy's powers have never extended beyond his own body and he doesn't do anything these days a normal person can't one way or another (outside of eating a lot). Like being a rubberman hasn't really been relevant for the past five hundred chapters. Gear 3rd is the most preposterous ofc but it's generally just a fun visual for hitting someone hard.

Luffy only beat Katakuri by using his rubber powers to ricochet his arms in random unpredictable directions

# ? Aug 4, 2020 17:29

grieving for Gandalf: Apr 22, 2008

Luffy trained himself in prison to do what Rayleigh could do and Hyogoro is aware of in the Wano people's understanding of haki

# ? Aug 4, 2020 17:33

Sub Harrison: May 2, 2013

Luffy's freedom leveled up in prison, allowing him to emancipate himself and others through willpower alone.

# ? Aug 4, 2020 18:12

Snazzy Frocks: Mar 31, 2003; Scratchmo

hes projecting his haki to contain the explosion until he can throw it a safe distance OBVIOUSLY

# ? Aug 4, 2020 18:22

scary ghost dog: Aug 5, 2007

overstuffed tankman was an awesome upgrade to luffys classic move of bouncing cannonballs off his inflated belly

# ? Aug 4, 2020 18:35

Blockhouse: Sep 7, 2014; You Win!

you guys come on we had ten chapters of luffy training to project his haki into objects to destroy them from the inside so he can fight kaido

it was literally the only training arc in the series!

# ? Aug 4, 2020 22:31

Gyges: Aug 4, 2004; NOW NO ONE
RECOGNIZE HULK

Someone didn't read Zoro's backstory, his flash back when fighting Mr. 1, or any of the crew's time skip hijinks.

# ? Aug 5, 2020 00:47

Teriyaki Koinku: Nov 25, 2008; Bread! Bread! Bread!

Bread! BREAD! BREAD!

I'm kind of confused as to what was happening on the last page of the latest chapter: who is the one speaking in the thought/flashback bubbles about "surrendering your name"? And why did Kaidou suddenly get distracted by a vision of Oden thus letting himself get stabbed by the Nine Red Scabbards? Is it all because of Kaidou having flashbacks to when Oden made his final assault and history repeating itself?

# ? Aug 5, 2020 01:02

Meme Emulator: Oct 4, 2000

Eiba posted:

I wouldn't have minded as much if they had just shown their impotence differently- like they cut through a thread easily, but more threads flow in to replace it before they can get out or something.

Zoro pushing on a string with sparks flying from his swords was a bad visual.

I totally agree. If a single tiny change were made, and the birdcage wasnt drawn with visible gaps in it, i think like 75% of the complaints would have gone away

It wouldnt be a birdcage then, but a silk cocoon or something fits with the string fruit better anyway.

# ? Aug 5, 2020 01:07

TheLoneStar: Feb 9, 2017

Meme Emulator posted:

I totally agree. If a single tiny change were made, and the birdcage wasnt drawn with visible gaps in it, i think like 75% of the complaints would have gone away

It wouldnt be a birdcage then, but a silk cocoon or something fits with the string fruit better anyway.

In reality I think the gaps were always not even the width of a person. It'd just suck to draw all those lines when viewing it from a distance.

But still, it was a lovely concept and I will always hate it.

# ? Aug 5, 2020 01:19

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# ? Jun 12, 2024 09:47

alkanphel: Mar 24, 2004

scary ghost dog posted:

overstuffed tankman was an awesome upgrade to luffys classic move of bouncing cannonballs off his inflated belly

And we haven't even seen what the rest of his Tankman form can do!

# ? Aug 5, 2020 02:12

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