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Kevin DuBrow posted:After finishing Legion, I had a question about Chaos. If the Cabal's whole thing is "we're thousands of species that have been fighting Chaos since before hominids existed", why do they think that the Chaos gods can only be defeated once humanity is wiped out? Is there something about humans that empowers Chaos more than other species? 65 million years pass and suddenly humanity starts to exist. This is a problem because humans are more psychic than the average race, breed like rabbits, and have a completely unrestrained subconscious compared to the Eldar. While humanity was confined to Earth and the solar system it wasn't a problem because the Eldar still eclipsed the human effect on the warp. However once humans started colonizing other worlds their population jumped from a few hundred billion during the Age of Terra, to more-than-there-are-numbers-to-count-with within a few millennia. Within a generation to the Eldar. I interpret the cataclysmic warp storms of Age of Strife as the Eldar-warp slamming into the new formed Human-warp. Like a hot and cold front colliding and causing tornadoes. Eventually the previous steady state became completely sustainable as the human souls became the dominant expressions of the warp entities like Khaine and Isha. The Eldar psyche was then striped of it's buffer and started interacting with the warp more directly. This coincides with the Fall of the Eldar, and explaining (to me at least) why it happened so suddenly after 65 million years of stability. Eventually a new status quo is reached and the Eldar psychic gestalt coalesces into Slaanesh, while the simpler human outlook ends up reforming the remainder of the warp to better express our souls. Thus the birth of Slaanesh was also the birth of the current versions of Khorne, Nurgle, and Tzeentch. So basically humans existing completely destabilizes the warp, changing it from something dangerous but managable, to pure chaos. Edit: ooo page 666. Good daemonic number, must mean I'm right. edit 2: Korks were introduced as ancestors to Orks in the first Necron codex, which retconned Eldar, Jokaero, Orks, and an unnamed unfinished primate race on some dinky planet, as being created by the Old Ones to fight the Necrontyr. Galvanik fucked around with this message at 18:03 on Aug 17, 2020 |
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Galvanik posted:I interpret the cataclysmic warp storms of Age of Strife as the Eldar-warp slamming into the new formed Human-warp. Like a hot and cold front colliding and causing tornadoes. Eventually the previous steady state became completely sustainable as the human souls became the dominant expressions of the warp entities like Khaine and Isha. The Eldar psyche was then striped of it's buffer and started interacting with the warp more directly. This coincides with the Fall of the Eldar, and explaining (to me at least) why it happened so suddenly after 65 million years of stability. I thought it was well established that the age of strife and the long night was because of the Eldar Fall and the birth of Slaanesh. The fall of the eldar was relatively recent by 40k standards, only happening a few thousand years before the great crusade. During the Dark age of Technology and the expansion of humanity, the original Eldar Empire was still alive and kicking.
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Aug 17, 2020 18:04
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I don't have an exact source but I thought it was the birth of Slaanesh that created the Eye of Terror, and "blew out" all the warpstorms that had made human FTL impossible. And that the fall was immediately prior to the Great Crusade. edit: Yeah all this warp speculation would have been between m22 and m30 Galvanik fucked around with this message at 18:08 on Aug 17, 2020 |
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Aug 17, 2020 18:06
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Yea thats pretty entrenched in canon.
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Well, the part I was getting at it is that Humans weren't very psychically active before the age of strife. There were some, but it was extremely rare. Then after the long night and the birth of Slaanesh it became significantly more common, which is why there were so many worlds under the grip of psyker warlords. The fall of the eldar and the warp storms made humans more psychically active, rather than the other way around. So I don't think the emergence of humanity had anything to do with the fall of the Eldar. They did it to themselves. Unless this is mentioned somewhere I haven't read.
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Aug 17, 2020 18:22
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I woke up yesterday needing to buy 40k books and used the last of my birthday giftcard money on the Yarrick omnibus and the Deathwatch omnibus, they had better be good 'cause the concepts surrounding them are great. Spec ops space marines and the only man the Orks respect/fear? Yes please! And while I wait my brain can't decide if I'm allowed to read the Forges of Mars omnibus yet, or if I have to wait. Why, brain. Please let me read.
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Galvanik posted:Eventually a new status quo is reached and the Eldar psychic gestalt coalesces into Slaanesh, while the simpler human outlook ends up reforming the remainder of the warp to better express our souls. Thus the birth of Slaanesh was also the birth of the current versions of Khorne, Nurgle, and Tzeentch. I believe it's established that Khorne, Nurgle, and Tzeentch were all born during the European medieval ages, with each emergence heralding another catastrophe for Britain (the Norman Invasion, the Black Death, and the War of the Roses). Whether this was a coincidence or a reflection of English terribleness, is unknown. But it is apparent that these Marmite-flavored Chaos Gods had difficulty propagating, and it took the fall of the Eldar / French for Slaanesh to be born and teach her brethren how to make little khornites, nurglings, and tzeentches. If it weren't for them, the warp would probably be filled with bad food and croquet.
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Aug 17, 2020 21:32
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Bleh burn this page down.
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Aug 17, 2020 21:46
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Kharn_The_Betrayer posted:Bleh burn this page down. 
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Kaal posted:I believe it's established that Khorne, Nurgle, and Tzeentch were all born during the European medieval ages, with each emergence heralding another catastrophe for Britain (the Norman Invasion, the Black Death, and the War of the Roses). Whether this was a coincidence or a reflection of English terribleness, is unknown. But it is apparent that these Marmite-flavored Chaos Gods had difficulty propagating, and it took the fall of the Eldar / French for Slaanesh to be born and teach her brethren how to make little khornites, nurglings, and tzeentches. If it weren't for them, the warp would probably be filled with bad food and croquet. No this has long been 100% nuked into retcon hell. Brendan Rodgers fucked around with this message at 23:55 on Aug 17, 2020 |
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Brendan Rodgers posted:No this has long been 100% nuked into retcon hell, like a lot of the page(s). Gross. Good thing we now at the least have plenty of material about Grey Knight Super Saiyan Space Marine HEROES. The Knights of Space can withstand the forces of page 666 and be uniquely unaffected!
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Hi, I haven't cared about 40k lore for at least a year. How's Guilliman doing? Are we moving into 41k anytime soon? Will chaos win? If you don't have answers for these questions, can you at least point me to where I can find them? Or cool new books to read after I plow through my new omnibuses.
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We're into 41K, the Imperium and timespace continuum was ripped a new rear end in a top hat with the Great Rift, Big Bobby G got brand new super marines from cold storage and currently efforts to reconnect with the Dark Imperium on the far side of the Rift have been met with middling results. Oh and the Silent King of the Necrons has probably just woken up and is more thsn happy to gently caress over all living beings for lulz. Arc Hammer fucked around with this message at 00:20 on Aug 18, 2020 |
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Arcsquad12 posted:We're into 41K, the Imperium and timespace continuum was ripped a new rear end in a top hat with the Great Rift, Big Bobby G got brand new super marines from cold storage and currently efforts to reconnect with the Dark Imperium on the far side of the Rift have been met with middling results. The what Imperium Any good novels covering this?
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Aug 18, 2020 00:14
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The conveniently titled portion of the Imperium which is cut off from the light of the astronomicon and thus "Dark". Not to be confused with the second edition rules expansion which had all the vehicles and wargear cards in it.
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StrixNebulosa posted:The what Imperium The Dark Imperium refers to the Imperium on the Northeastern side of the Galaxy beyond the giant warpstorm known as the Great Rift. Its called the Dark Imperium because the light of the Astronomicon has difficulty piercing the Rift, meaning that poo poo is officially bad in the Segmentae Ultima and Obscurus since navigation is a literal nightmare.
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Arcsquad12 posted:The Dark Imperium refers to the Imperium on the Northeastern side of the Galaxy beyond the giant warpstorm known as the Great Rift. Its called the Dark Imperium because the light of the Astronomicon has difficulty piercing the Rift, meaning that poo poo is officially bad in the Segmentae Ultima and Obscurus since navigation is a literal nightmare. I believe the warpstorm is called Gork's Grin, you philistine
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Aug 18, 2020 00:44
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Its obviously Mork's Mug, you cretin.
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Huge fan of the Orks having religion that literally does nothing but cause fights.There's two gods, and they fight. And orks fight over whether Mork represents brutal cunning or cunning brutality, and Gork hits you when you're looking. It's great.
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ADB posted on Facebook and mentioned Black Legion 3 is "basically done". That means we should be getting Spears sequel and BL 3 sometime in the next year or so.
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Kharn_The_Betrayer posted:Bleh burn this page down. I was going to post "page 666 Grey Knights chat ONLY" but you've all beaten me to it, so eh 
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StrixNebulosa posted:The what Imperium The lead up fiction happened in out of print game books under the banner Gathering Storm in 2017. Dark Imperium and it's sequel covered some of it presumably but they were pulled from Amazon thanks to a timely nurgle disease plot. Dawn of Fire just kicked off with Avenging Son. A lot of recent books tie in, like ADBs Spear of the Emperor has a single marine and his servants heading on a suicide mission into a dark sector to see how they are holding up. I just finished the audio book of that one, it was great. Chris Wraight deals with Bobby Gs return from earth pov in his series Carrion Throne and Emperors Legion. Consider Peter Fehervari's dark coil books if you haven't read them yet. They are kind of stand alone and not related to the 41k developments yet from what I've read, but his books are horror adjacent and tie together a bit in subtle ways. He suggested starting with Requiem Infernal, which is one of his newer ones but earliest in the timeline.
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Man I haven't ready anything since Carrion Throne except the two Dark Imperium books with our man G. I'm going to put an order in so what have I been missing? There's apparently a bunch of really good Custodes books and a new G-man book?
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Carrion Throne got a sequel called Hollow Mountain. The three custodes books are Emperor's Legion, Regent's Shadow and Valdor all by Wraight. The Dark Imperium books got a prequel called Avenging Son.
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Guyver posted:Carrion Throne got a sequel called Hollow Mountain. The three custodes books are Emperor's Legion, Regent's Shadow and Valdor all by Wraight. Carrion Throne and Hollow Mountain are POV from an Inquisitors acolyte and are set during the build up to the Great Rift and end when the great rift turns up. Valdor is very much a prequel to the Heresy series and only tangentially related to the Emperor's Legion and Regent's Shadow which go into the effect of the rift, Poppa Smurf's return and the response of the ruling classes of Terra.
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Guyver posted:Carrion Throne got a sequel called Hollow Mountain. The three custodes books are Emperor's Legion, Regent's Shadow and Valdor all by Wraight. Avenging Son is the start of a series covering the Indomitus Crusade, akin to HH or the Beast series
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Bagrada, thank you so much. I have so much to read again.
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A treat for this thread on this most HAIL SATAN of pages:  Not pictured: Helsreach and Dark Apostle. That's all the Warhammer 40k fiction I own, and oh god, I actually have a collection now, it's big enough to count as one.
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Here's mine from a couple months ago.
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Ego-bot posted:Here's mine from a couple months ago. drat if I don't want that Grey Knights omnibus.... Also god, lol, the Deathwatch opened with a short story that contains a perfect oxymoron: "silenced bolters" e: I love the unintentional(?) humor: three heavy space marines trying to be stealthy and they're on some terrible stairs that creak if they step on them and they're TRYING to line up a shot but CREAAAAK StrixNebulosa fucked around with this message at 01:11 on Aug 19, 2020 |
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Hail Satan Blood for the blood god, skulls for the throne etc Really looking foward to Darktide and i wish it would just release already 
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Waroduce posted:Hail Satan Same I've been wanting a good 40k game for what feels like millennia. In my mind I have a vision of a AAA shooter, taking place in a hive under siege (maybe based on Necropolis?); huge set piece battles, stealth, a huge playable world with an open ended mission structure (do you assault the foundries head on? Or infiltrate with specialist troops? Or maybe just go gently caress it and level it with artillery although that means you dont get the materiel stored there) Its so beautiful in my mind
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It's too bad that DoW3 seems like the last real big budget 40k game Hopefully Darktide changes that, I want more space mans games
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So the press for the new Indomitus books is all like "it does to 40k what the Horus heresy did for 30k!!" Which is a weird claim but... Is it good at all so far?
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Improbable Lobster posted:It's too bad that DoW3 seems like the last real big budget 40k game Battlefleet Gothic Armada 1/2?
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NUMBER 1 FULCI FAN posted:So the press for the new Indomitus books is all like "it does to 40k what the Horus heresy did for 30k!!" Which is a weird claim but... Is it good at all so far? Indomitus was not good. Avenging Son was awesome and definitely felt like a Horus Rising type setup for the Indomitus Crusade series which they said they want to be their next HH
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Biplane posted:Same I've been wanting a good 40k game for what feels like millennia. In my mind I have a vision of a AAA shooter, taking place in a hive under siege (maybe based on Necropolis?); huge set piece battles, stealth, a huge playable world with an open ended mission structure (do you assault the foundries head on? Or infiltrate with specialist troops? Or maybe just go gently caress it and level it with artillery although that means you dont get the materiel stored there) Its so beautiful in my mind I want a Dishonored-like stealth game. Member of the Officio Assassinorum, Inquisitor gone rogue status, Mkoll presumed dead behind enemy lines yet a third time, whatever.
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Speaking of collections, this beauty came in:      I also got my collector's editions of Harlequin and Chaos Child. These were the first special editions GW ever did before Black Library was even a thing. Unfortunately, the first in the series, Inquisitor, was only ever released in paperback, but I've been in touch with Ian Watson and he is willing to sign a copy of that and Space Marine if I send him a package with return posting. Just gotta find them in decent shape. Love these rad '90s covers.    I also picked up a copy of Visions of Heresy. It's a great artbook and lorebook covering the whole thing.     And a copy of the new Black Library art book which is pretty good too     Finally got these sweet Horus bookends. Gonna have to find a pro to commission to be painted  
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Avenging Son was pretty entertaining but i still want the next book after the plague war
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Brendan Rodgers posted:Roboute talks publicly (like to civilians) about Mortarion being his brother after he wakes up, and Ultramar fought against Nurgle for 100 years or some poo poo. Knowledge of Chaos will depend on where you are, most of the Imperium population probably doesn't know what the Imperium even is, but plenty of people will have that knowledge especially in the more rational places. This is all true but I'm concerned it could lead to an impression that the Space Wolves are not complete poo poo?
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