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pseudanonymous
Aug 30, 2008

When you make the second entry and the debits and credits balance, and you blow them to hell.

Manstrocity posted:

It's hard to conclude anything from the 990. Their non-program expenses are a crazy high proportion, but it seems like Worldbuilders works as more of a marketing arm for other non-profits- saying "hey this charity exists, go donate to them." In that case, why would they report any of those donations as revenue, as you were suggesting in another post? The 'contract' with the donor doesn't involve WI. You're right that they don't seem explicitly charitable, but nonprofit and not-for-profit and charity are different things.

Whoever's making these contributions/grants to WI probably shouldn't do that, given the lack of financial transparency, and they're probably paying above-market rent to that related party, but I don't think the 990 is as damning as you're making it out to be.

You can't reason someone out of a belief they weren't reasoned into.

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Rime
Nov 2, 2011

by Games Forum

Terror Sweat posted:

Yeah but there was also that bandit camp killing scene which was pretty dope. It was an excellent way to really show off the magic system he spent a book and a half refining. More of that and less of everything else and we're golden.

Edit: the more I think about it the more I like it, it was probably the only time I've read someone so satisfyingly use bloodmagic.


Wasn't the thread consensus on this scene that it was written before the rest of the novel and hamfistedly reinserted afterwards, because the characterization is completely at odds with the rest of the writing?

ulmont
Sep 15, 2010

IF I EVER MISS VOTING IN AN ELECTION (EVEN AMERICAN IDOL) ,OR HAVE UNPAID PARKING TICKETS, PLEASE TAKE AWAY MY FRANCHISE

Rime posted:

Wasn't the thread consensus on this scene that it was written before the rest of the novel and hamfistedly reinserted afterwards, because the characterization is completely at odds with the rest of the writing?

Also that it wasn't the first time a short story about Kvothe had been stitched up and put into the book; some of the Tarbean scenes in particular seem very out of place with what happens after that.

Lottery of Babylon
Apr 25, 2012

STRAIGHT TROPIN'

Rime posted:

Wasn't the thread consensus on this scene that it was written before the rest of the novel and hamfistedly reinserted afterwards, because the characterization is completely at odds with the rest of the writing?

You're thinking of the time Kvothe killed the bandits (who were disguised as Edema Ruh but Kvothe could tell they were fakes and child sex traffickers because they shoplifted a beer), Terror Sweat is talking about the time Kvothe killed the bandits (who were robbing tax collectors and were later retroactively mentioned to be lead by a Chandrian for no particular reason).

Raiad
Feb 1, 2005

Without the law, there wouldn't be lawyers.


i mean retroactively making them lead by a chandrian was the only way to make it at least look like literally anything in that book actually mattered

Sham bam bamina!
Nov 6, 2012

ƨtupid cat
Led.

Safety Biscuits
Oct 21, 2010

I recently proofread a book and I swear the author made that mistake every single time he meant to write "led". Every single time. I blame Robert Plant.

TheGreatEvilKing
Mar 28, 2016





It has been 2/3 books and we have no idea what the Chandrian want despite them being framed as the primary antagonists.

Hughmoris
Apr 21, 2007
Let's go to the abyss!

TheGreatEvilKing posted:

It has been 2/3 books and we have no idea what the Chandrian want despite them being framed as the primary antagonists.

I can't remember much of book 2. How many times have we seen the Chandrian? Only time I remember is when they merk'd Kvothe's band of miscreants at the beginning of book 1.

TheGreatEvilKing
Mar 28, 2016





The random bandit wood fight, and I guess one of the Chandrian is beating Denna because he is a mean poopy head.

pentyne
Nov 7, 2012

Hughmoris posted:

I can't remember much of book 2. How many times have we seen the Chandrian? Only time I remember is when they merk'd Kvothe's band of miscreants at the beginning of book 1.

Never except assuming the very first encounter in book one where his family gets murked for singing the wrong songs.

1300 pages later literally nothing other then "stories impossible to find, vague rumors and mysteries" about this crazy powerful impossible threat that has obscured all information and myth about itself except for special Kvothe who's uncovered 5% of the mystery without hassle.

In retrospect it reads very much like a DM dropping breadcrumbs at the start of a year long planned campaign and then completely forgetting about it until someone randomly asks later so they shoehorn in another vague reference.

pseudanonymous
Aug 30, 2008

When you make the second entry and the debits and credits balance, and you blow them to hell.

TheGreatEvilKing posted:

It has been 2/3 books and we have no idea what the Chandrian want despite them being framed as the primary antagonists.

They probably want to gently caress D***** like everyone else in the books.

Raiad
Feb 1, 2005

Without the law, there wouldn't be lawyers.


TheGreatEvilKing posted:

The random bandit wood fight, and I guess one of the Chandrian is beating Denna because he is a mean poopy head.

wait, did we find out about the latter from the mean tree or something

i don't feel like trying to find a section between all of rothfuss's pathetic sexual fantasies to verify

Capisano
Sep 11, 2001

Brutal
Yeah the really mean super bad tree said something about “Master Ash” beating her. He started small but now he’s using a walking stick.

pentyne
Nov 7, 2012

Capisano posted:

Yeah the really mean super bad tree said something about “Master Ash” beating her. He started small but now he’s using a walking stick.

Doesn't he have a vision/dream of her bruised and crying in a room somewhere?

Just everything about Denna drips with creepy male feminist/incel bait. This supposed escort who he falls in love with and is a match for his quick wits and he's able to totally show off in front of her by playing impossible songs once his guitar string breaks.

Dirt Road Junglist
Oct 8, 2010

We will be cruel
And through our cruelty
They will know who we are

pentyne posted:

and he's able to totally show off in front of her by playing impossible songs once his guitar string breaks.

I know it's been discussed before, but can we take a moment to admire Rothfuss's complete inability to write about music? Just...so bad.

Dienes
Nov 4, 2009

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College Slice

Dirt Road Junglist posted:

The story stalled in a nonsensical word salad about music that felt like book was saying bad.

Solice Kirsk
Jun 1, 2004

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Dirt Road Junglist posted:

I know it's been discussed before, but can we take a moment to admire Rothfuss's complete inability to write about music? Just...so bad.

He was obsessed with music when he wrote the first book and then was obsessed with sex when he wrote the second book. Third book will have a ton of purple prose describing breakfast cereal if it ever comes out.

TheGreatEvilKing
Mar 28, 2016





It's really kind of impressive how r/Kingkiller is desperately repeating that Rothfuss can write like no other while trying to reconcile his King Nerd behavior with...what they're getting. I mean, even as a dumb college student reading Book 1 I looked at the blurb on the back and thought "wow, this is pretentious."

Fortunately he has saved me from having to do the hate read of the third book, so...

Raiad
Feb 1, 2005

Without the law, there wouldn't be lawyers.


pentyne posted:

Doesn't he have a vision/dream of her bruised and crying in a room somewhere?

Just everything about Denna drips with creepy male feminist/incel bait. This supposed escort who he falls in love with and is a match for his quick wits and he's able to totally show off in front of her by playing impossible songs once his guitar string breaks.

given how one of the gay(?) bar men who hired kvothe took him aside to tell him that the only three professions available to women are seamstress, noblewoman or prostitute and that he shouldn't begrudge her for taking the third option i think creepy male feminist bait seems about right

Kchama
Jul 25, 2007

Raiad posted:

given how one of the gay(?) bar men who hired kvothe took him aside to tell him that the only three professions available to women are seamstress, noblewoman or prostitute and that he shouldn't begrudge her for taking the third option i think creepy male feminist bait seems about right

This doesn't really make sense considering that there's women at the University. What, are they learning magic for funsies, or is it how they're going to become better seamstresses or prostitutes?

I just don't think he thought all of his dumb stories that he merged into one book through.

ManlyGrunting
May 29, 2014

Raiad posted:

given how one of the gay(?) bar men who hired kvothe took him aside to tell him that the only three professions available to women are seamstress, noblewoman or prostitute and that he shouldn't begrudge her for taking the third option i think creepy male feminist bait seems about right

...aren't there women at Hogwarts U though? Like, they're studying trades, not just academics (which leads to Kvothe dashingly saving one from a fire, no less). Hell, one's working as a loan shark no less. Like even in the Medieval era women worked more than those three jobs and Rothfuss clearly has a more egalitarian society than that built up

ManlyGrunting fucked around with this message at 01:11 on Aug 27, 2020

mewse
May 2, 2006

pseudanonymous posted:

They probably want to gently caress D***** like everyone else in the books.

I definitely trust Patty Roth to write delicately about kvothe's love interest being a hooker. By not writing at all

Ccs
Feb 25, 2011


I’m wondering what the reading experience of the third book will be if it ever comes out. I read the first two almost 10 years ago now and wasn’t very critical of them. I enjoyed the first and rushed through the second but did start to question things during the Felurian and Adem sections which felt overindulgent and disingenuous. But this thread and other like it have revealed weaknesses in Rothfuss’ writing that I’d never noticed before so I’m not sure if I’d enjoy the third. Though the amount of action that the plot would need to get through to deliver the conclusion of the story would probably provide enough narrative thrust to make it interesting.

Raiad
Feb 1, 2005

Without the law, there wouldn't be lawyers.


Kchama posted:

This doesn't really make sense considering that there's women at the University. What, are they learning magic for funsies, or is it how they're going to become better seamstresses or prostitutes?

I just don't think he thought all of his dumb stories that he merged into one book through.

I think the idea is that they firmly fall into the category of "noblewoman," given how much Kvothe whines at length about how everyone else had wealthy families to pay for not-wizard school and he alone had to work for a living

pentyne
Nov 7, 2012

Ccs posted:

I’m wondering what the reading experience of the third book will be if it ever comes out. I read the first two almost 10 years ago now and wasn’t very critical of them. I enjoyed the first and rushed through the second but did start to question things during the Felurian and Adem sections which felt overindulgent and disingenuous. But this thread and other like it have revealed weaknesses in Rothfuss’ writing that I’d never noticed before so I’m not sure if I’d enjoy the third. Though the amount of action that the plot would need to get through to deliver the conclusion of the story would probably provide enough narrative thrust to make it interesting.

the elegant sound of the unwritten word

Patware
Jan 3, 2005

pentyne posted:

the river-smooth, sunbeam sound of the unwritten word

PJOmega
May 5, 2009

Please stop I can only get so flaccid.

Daric
Dec 23, 2007

Shawn:
Do you really want to know my process?

Lassiter:
Absolutely.

Shawn:
Well it starts with a holla! and ends with a Creamsicle.
I’m still laughing at the extreme impotence of knowing your publisher just called you out about not actually doing your job and not saying anything in response

PsychedelicWarlord
Sep 8, 2016


Daric posted:

I’m still laughing at the extreme impotence of knowing your publisher just called you out about not actually doing your job and not saying anything in response

saying something in response would require writing

pentyne
Nov 7, 2012

Daric posted:

I’m still laughing at the extreme impotence of knowing your publisher just called you out about not actually doing your job and not saying anything in response

There's got to be a point where even his hardcore fans just go "WHERES THE loving BOOK PAT" coming up soon. He can only go dark for so long and is ironically benefiting from all the con cancellations where if he showed up every question would be "so, your editor, what's going on there?"

Kchama
Jul 25, 2007

Raiad posted:

I think the idea is that they firmly fall into the category of "noblewoman," given how much Kvothe whines at length about how everyone else had wealthy families to pay for not-wizard school and he alone had to work for a living

But 'noblewoman' as a 'job' would not involve becoming a wizard either. Unless the idea is just 'rich women can do whatever they want' and in which can you'd expect to see more women at Hogwarts, not less.

Sham bam bamina!
Nov 6, 2012

ƨtupid cat

Patware posted:

the river-smooth, sunbeam sound of the unwritten word

Hammer Bro.
Jul 7, 2007

THUNDERDOME LOSER

Solice Kirsk posted:

Third book will have a ton of purple prose describing breakfast cereal if it ever comes out.

You jest but I just heard some people read a section of the Captain Crunch chapter of The Cryptonomicon and it was fan-tastic. Bumped the book up to buy-it-if-I-see-it levels.

Solice Kirsk
Jun 1, 2004

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A silence in three two parts.

Hughmoris
Apr 21, 2007
Let's go to the abyss!
"It was the patient, cut-flower sound of a book that is waiting to flop."

Dienes
Nov 4, 2009

dee
doot doot dee
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College Slice

Hughmoris posted:

"It was the patient, cut-flower sound of a book that is waiting to flop."

The book would sell like gangbusters if it were released in the next couple years.

I think Rothfuss is just terminally afraid of bad reviews, and lacks the willpower to not read them.

Inspector Gesicht
Oct 26, 2012

500 Zeus a body.


Name of the Wind: 250k in length

Wise Man's Fear: 370k in Length

I don't know how much ground he has to cover in Doors of Stone, perhaps he could write a monstrous 600k two-parter, but loving anything would suffice. Nobody would be making GBS threads in his cereal if his books were stand-alone, but it was decision for Book One to be Chapter One.

Malpais Legate
Oct 1, 2014

How does he even finish this? He's had that many words and still nothing relating to the supposed "main plot" even gets covered.

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Hughmoris
Apr 21, 2007
Let's go to the abyss!

Dienes posted:

The book would sell like gangbusters if it were released in the next couple years.

I think Rothfuss is just terminally afraid of bad reviews, and lacks the willpower to not read them.

I just liked that line but you are correct, the book will print money when it's released. Whether it's good or not is a different story.

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