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Waterfall Watcher posted:Just finished steel ball run and I gotta say at this point it felt like a DM had to find an excuse for the players to kill the villain again after convincing them to spare them not thinking it would work. He's a politician.
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that bit was my favourite thing in the entire arc, part 7 is still one of the best anti-american pieces of fiction to ever exist
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Funky Valentine posted:Araki wanted his proper Jonathan-DIO fight. I don't remember Johnathan having a civilian body count when he fought DIO.
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Professorjuggalo posted:that bit was my favourite thing in the entire arc, part 7 is still one of the best anti-american pieces of fiction to ever exist It's insanely frustrating when people read Valentine as noble or in the right or whatever. He's the worst piece of poo poo villain in the series.
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Tonfa posted:It's insanely frustrating when people read Valentine as noble or in the right or whatever. He's the worst piece of poo poo villain in the series. How can Valentine be the worst POS villain when Diavolo exists?
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Aug 31, 2020 13:05
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The only main villain who isn't a complete monster is Pucci, everyone else is just the worst in their own unique way
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Aug 31, 2020 13:11
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multijoe posted:The only main villain who isn't a complete monster is Pucci, everyone else is just the worst in their own unique way Nah Pucci is bad too, dude is all about exploiting and brainwashing and destroying anybody around him in the name of his religious crusade, even those who actually have the same goal as him or are at least under his control, and his entire goal is just him trying to put everybody else except himself into their own place so that they can live as fate dictates, never wavering, without any kind of freedom whatsoever.
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Aug 31, 2020 13:26
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The pillar men are moral paragons
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Dont Touch ME posted:The pillar men are moral paragons Kars is a cheating weenus  Edit: jokes aside the pillar men enslaved an entire species and Kars committed genocide on his own people.
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Aug 31, 2020 13:34
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This really makes me hope Jobin is the ultimate big bad of Jojolion Because so far, no arc villain in Jojo had his motivation, which involved getting involved with organized crime, murdering at least two people (including his father), ordering hits, indirectly causing more deaths through said hits, and so on The noble motivation of "I am not quite rich enough" While his evil is on a smaller scale than most other arc villains, he really makes up for it in sheer pissboyitude
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Aug 31, 2020 13:39
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Brought To You By posted:How can Valentine be the worst POS villain when Diavolo exists? The whole end sequence with valentine re-directing attacks onto the third world and then justifying everything at the end with ‘I did it for America’ makes diavolo look like a saint in comparison
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Torquemadras posted:This really makes me hope Jobin is the ultimate big bad of Jojolion He's so hung up about not having the best baseball game seats
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Aug 31, 2020 14:08
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DIO's initial cartoon villainy was far worse than pretty much any other villain. Then it got retconned in Part 6.
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multijoe posted:The only main villain who isn't a complete monster is Pucci, everyone else is just the worst in their own unique way Pucci is pretty bad. The fact that he is incapable of recognizing his evil, I think makes him worse.
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multijoe posted:The only main villain who isn't a complete monster is Pucci, everyone else is just the worst in their own unique way Professorjuggalo posted:The whole end sequence with valentine re-directing attacks onto the third world and then justifying everything at the end with ‘I did it for America’ makes diavolo look like a saint in comparison
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Aug 31, 2020 14:37
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Brought To You By posted:Pucci was a piece of poo poo too, but he was also the first of the JoJo villains to legitimately be thinking of someone other than themselves which Araki has been improving on as the motivations of his villains have gotten loftier since then. If the Head Doctor/Tooru remains the closest thing to main antagonist this arc gets, he'll be the third since his goal is to revolutionize the medical world and make a tidy profit while doing so. also probably something do to with Rockhuman biology and overcoming it but then there's Kaato just waiting to take the main villain position Yeah this is pretty much what I was getting at, he's still awful but he's the only one who actually had a purpose other than 'getting off' and in his own insane way had noble intentions.
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Aug 31, 2020 14:41
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Pucci's primary motivation is that he's desperate to get validation that accidentally hiring the KKK to kill his sister was in fact predetermined and thus his hands are ultimately clean of the matter. For a Catholic, Pucci really wants to be a Calvinist.
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Funky Valentine posted:Pucci's primary motivation is that he's desperate to get validation that accidentally hiring the KKK to kill his sister was in fact predetermined and thus his hands are ultimately clean of the matter. Which ties in directly to how he's defeated by his own hand.
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Pucci and Valentine are both great villains because you can very much take their backstories and draw a line as to how it informs their goals. The incredible comedy of errors that is the Pucci family followed by Enrico getting picked up by the toxic messiah, Valentine's time as a POW and the crushing realization that there is no universe where his father survives. Compare Diavolo who is just this black hole of nothing.
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Aug 31, 2020 19:36
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How many napkins has valentine taken without asking first? Disgusting
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yeah with a couple exceptions (bruno, abacchio, pesci kind of) the characterization in part 5 is pretty bad. 
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simple isn't bad, like giorno not liking the idea of kids doing drugs is a fine motivation to take down a local mafia
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Giorno also went from "take over the mafia to stop the drug trade" to "need to murder this psychopathic gently caress who wants to kill his own daughter just because she's alive." Both are good, simple goals that speak to Giorno as someone who wants to protect something even if he needs to resort to dangerous means to accomplish that.
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Funky Valentine posted:Pucci and Valentine are both great villains because you can very much take their backstories and draw a line as to how it informs their goals. The incredible comedy of errors that is the Pucci family followed by Enrico getting picked up by the toxic messiah, Valentine's time as a POW and the crushing realization that there is no universe where his father survives. Diavolo's problem is that any backstory you could give him that takes place before finding the stand arrows would either also be Doppio's backstory or would be something that would fit way better as Doppio's backstory. zetamind2000 fucked around with this message at 21:07 on Aug 31, 2020 |
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As he's presented, Diovolo is only a facet of Doppio's character. This becomes a problem when Doppio dies.
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Son of Thunderbeast posted:yeah with a couple exceptions (bruno, abacchio, pesci kind of) the characterization in part 5 is pretty bad. i'm not even a big fan of giorno myself but poo poo like this is dumb as hell because i could literally just be reductive of most any of the characters by intentionally making them sound stupid like is anyone even trying to pretend that holly magically got sick for any reason other than that araki needed a plot device? dio basically had to be retconned into having an actual motivation in part 6 because he straight up had nothing other than I AM AN EVIL rear end in a top hat in flashing neon letters going for him for multiple parts.
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If anything I wish giorno stuck with the ‘I’m doing this for the kids’ stuff instead of totally forgetting about it after they leave the island
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Droogs stop being a concern for Giorno real quick too. Mostly because it becomes part of Bucciarati's backstory and his initial reason to want to climb the mafia ladder.
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Johnny Joestar posted:i'm not even a big fan of giorno myself but poo poo like this is dumb as hell because i could literally just be reductive of most any of the characters by intentionally making them sound stupid Yeah and those are joked about a lot too, it's just that "drugs r bad" is easier to meme e: this one's both of those in one: 
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Aug 31, 2020 23:09
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Why are we posting memes like they're an indictment?
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I'm not "indicting" anything, I shared my opinion of the characterization in part 5 and then threw in a couple memes to keep it lighthearted because it's not that serious to me. Sorry if I hurt anyone, you're free to dismiss my opinion as stupid and uninformed if you want. e: And for further clarity, my next post was simply to point out that there's nothing unique about the jokes and memes about "drugs r bad," and that all the other silly and ridiculous aspects of the series are also similarly joked about and memed, then I provided an example that happened to touch on both of the examples simultaneously. Again, not "indicting" anything, just talking about jokes. If you think Giorno's motivations are fine or great, great. I'm not trying to convince anyone otherwise, just share my perspective. Son of Thunderbeast fucked around with this message at 00:16 on Sep 1, 2020 |
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Schwarzwald posted:As he's presented, Diovolo is only a facet of Doppio's character.  Son of Thunderbeast posted:Yeah and those are joked about a lot too, it's just that "drugs r bad" is easier to meme
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Johnny Joestar posted:i'm not even a big fan of giorno myself but poo poo like this is dumb as hell because i could literally just be reductive of most any of the characters by intentionally making them sound stupid Holly getting deathly sick from generating a stand gets weirder as the parts go on because you see several children who survived it but she couldn’t.
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Those kids were assholes and Koichi chested
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She still has less spiritual strength than some animals and a sword, just within the same part
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Holly is Pure Of Heart, you see
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somepartsareme posted:She still has less spiritual strength than some animals and a sword, just within the same part I think it’s only dangerous if the stand is forcibly activated, like DIO awakening did to the Joestars and if you get hit by the arrow. Otherwise only people who can survive it in the first place awaken stands.
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you have to be a prick to be a Stand user. Koichi was nice and then he becomes more of a prick as he hangs out with the boys and that's why his Stand evolves
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Brought To You By posted:
Graft a human head onto it, presumably
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