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Tato posted:Hayes had been on WCW as recently as Jan 1994. He started as Dok Hendrix on April 14, 1995. I assume it was one of those normal Vince "No one cares about southern wrestling or knows who the gently caress Michael Hayes is anyway" things I remember Vince Russo showing up on WWF Mania and getting all kayfabe-breaking about "You aren't Dok Hendrix! You're Michael Hayes!" and Hendrix suddenly got all serious and threatening and told him, "You don't want any of Michael Hayes, believe me." Red posted:Hi, here are some random questions: Sounds to me like you weren't READY! for the SURVIVOR SERIES!
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Smoking Crow posted:that album was produced my mike stock and pete waterman, 2/3s of the super producers stock, aitken and waterman who you know for writing and producing never gonna give you up Not to mention early career Kylie Minogue. Felt like half the UK singles charts when I was 6 were Stock Aitken Waterman productions.
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MorrisBae posted:Bruce Prichard talked about it recently: Vince would 100% have renamed Flair and Dusty if he didn't know the crowd would immediately poo poo on it. (Not to mention the men themselves would likely have walked at the suggestion)
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Gavok posted:I remember Vince Russo showing up on WWF Mania and getting all kayfabe-breaking about "You aren't Dok Hendrix! You're Michael Hayes!" and Hendrix suddenly got all serious and threatening and told him, "You don't want any of Michael Hayes, believe me." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7lVW52EVdrM
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Red posted:4. I just caught that Owen recycled the K-Driller/seated Tombstone for a thing with Dan Severn that I've forgotten about. How was that received at the time, and why would they do this, given Austin was the biggest star in the company? I think even Austin has admitted he thought Owen was going for a regular Tombstone when Owen called the move and only realized “oh gently caress I’m too low” as Owen dropped - and some people have suggested that Owen was going to go for a regular tombstone, but realized he couldn’t do that with Taker in the main event and switched to the sit-out at the last second, not aware of where Austin’s head was.
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Austin dropped Chono on his head in that exact same spot. A sitout tombstone. Austin almost certainly called that spot for some idiotic reason.
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I'm glad everyone else is here defending that wonderful (terrible) album because all of the words to every song still live with me, too. For a while in my twenties I even had part of that Hacksaw song as my alarm clock. It's a masterpiece.
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Lamuella posted:Even disregarding the storyline alignment of his character, Jeff Hardy was objectively a heel at Victory Road 2011 This may be a bit of a weird question, but I have always been curious about what he was on here, if anyone knows or has a good guess. It doesn't really matter but I just find drugs and addiction and such interesting.
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Monkeycheese posted:This may be a bit of a weird question, but I have always been curious about what he was on here, if anyone knows or has a good guess. It doesn't really matter but I just find drugs and addiction and such interesting. Opioids and painkillers?
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My favorite part of that Superstars album is that you can tell it's a bunch of British people making it because the women singing the chorus for the Macho Man song go "he's a Maaaah-cho Man". If only the early 1990s had also included gimmicks like The Walking Advertisement and Zed-Man Tom Zenk and Hands of Aluminium Steve Keirn it could have been even more British.
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One of my favorite things about that album was how the Hacksaw song's music video showed clips from two matches to illustrate Hacksaw overcoming conflict. One was a match with Papa Shango, which, sure, that's fine. The other was Yokozuna, where he was able to be the first guy to knock Yokozuna over. It just ignored that it was followed by Hacksaw taking the worst beating of his career to the point of being hospitalized and written off TV.
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one vic venom article from wwf magazine that always stuck out to me was his two page long rant at canadian border patrol detaining him over finding diet pills and a shoehorn in his luggage and his insistence he would never enter canada ever again. i am pretty sure this was just a fake article to stoke the flames of the hart foundation angle but it was like the only thing i remembered, along with that one cover that had owen hart's head on stone cold steve austin's mantle.
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bartok posted:Was there ever any plans? not in the last 5 years, perhaps earlier
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The instrumental version of Wrestlemania was too good to be given to Linda McMahon as a theme song.
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oh and a raw magazine that had a pictoral history of the tag team championship with lots of msg and spectrum center pictures of old matches from the 70s and early 80s to the mid 90s. it also had that spread of sable that seemed like it was in every issue of RAW and an interview with paul e about ecw.
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bartok posted:Was there ever any plans for who the Anonymous Raw GM was supposed to be? sarah palin at one point. really.
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forkboy84 posted:Not to mention early career Kylie Minogue. Felt like half the UK singles charts when I was 6 were Stock Aitken Waterman productions. I'm sorry, I know Kylie minogue as cammy in the street fighter movie And street fighter: the movie: the game by extension I guess
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Smoking Crow posted:that album was produced my mike stock and pete waterman, 2/3s of the super producers stock, aitken and waterman who you know for writing and producing never gonna give you up It's a *weird* album. Whereas The Wrestling Album was a comedic novelty album for the most part and Piledriver was mostly entrance music, this was a weird celebrity album the type of which regularly succeeded in the U.K. but not in the U.S. And the session singers had such strong accents that Randy Savage is repeatedly referred to as "the match-oh man." And how about "ARE YOU READAAAAAYYYYY FOR THE SURVIVOR SERIES?" being Jimmy Garvin in his try-out standup interview from '92? (Gene's "WHO WILL SURVIVE?" is from the same segment.) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ESYy0vZWgIk The Cameo posted:I think even Austin has admitted he thought Owen was going for a regular Tombstone when Owen called the move and only realized “oh gently caress I’m too low” as Owen dropped - and some people have suggested that Owen was going to go for a regular tombstone, but realized he couldn’t do that with Taker in the main event and switched to the sit-out at the last second, not aware of where Austin’s head was. Breitbart Is Rightbart posted:Austin dropped Chono on his head in that exact same spot. A sitout tombstone. Austin almost certainly called that spot for some idiotic reason. So the day came and I was talking to Owen in the back, and we were throwing a few things together for the finish of the title match. “I said to him, “Well, what about if we do that thing where I come in for the elbow and you rotate your back around and pick me up upside down and give me the Tombstone Piledriver? Then you cover me and I’ll kick out right before the three-count.” I added, “Now, Owen, I don’t trust just anybody to do a piledriver to me, but you can do it, right?” “And he said, “Yeah.” “I said, “You’re going to go to your knees, right?” And he said, “No, I’m going to drop to my rear end.” “Then I said, “Well, you need to go to your knees, right?” And he said, “No, I drop to my rear end.” That’s two times I said that. And I was thinking, I’m dealing with Owen Hart, brother of Bret Hart and son of Stu Hart. I guess he knows what he’s doing. He’s ribbing me about dropping to his rear end instead of his knees.” “Owen was a hell of a technician. When he assured me I’d be okay,I took his word that I’d be okay. I didn’t think twice about it. I had mentioned my concerns to him twice. But in an inverted Tombstone Piledriver, done the way Undertaker does it, it’s always knees, not rear end. “So I figured, Owen’s got it, he knows my concern. I had asked him twice about it, and that was the big spot in the match. When I came out that night, boy, people were ready to see Stone Cold Steve Austin do the Stone Cold Stunner on Owen for that title belt. The match went along and it was a good match, the right style of match for that year. It was a solid wrestling match. We were going through some things near the end that could be finishes, but they weren’t. The crowd was really into all the false finishes. After that “we wrestled for another five or six minutes, the idea being to lead into a Stunner. Eventually, he set up the piledriver spot. I spun Owen around and he landed on his feet. Then he picked me up, upside down, and WHAM—he dropped straight to his rear end. There was simply no room for me to protect my head. […] Sometimes I wonder how it could have happened. As good a technical wrestler as Owen was, he should have known he needed to drop to his knees, not his rear end, to protect my neck. I knew Owen as the consummate all-time ribber. He was always joking with people. I’m not saying this deal was a rib. I’m just saying he was always ribbing people and as good-natured as he was, he never maliciously did anything to hurt anyone. Owen was all about fun, so I couldn’t figure out why he did it that way. In the book, Jim Ross also writes: "Honestly, I was surprised that they were even doing a Tombstone Piledriver, because no one does it better than Undertaker, as it is one of the Deadman’s signature moves. Wrestlers usually don’t, or shouldn’t, use other talents’ finishing moves for their own high spots, but that’s another story for another time." Also: Contrary to popular belief and seemingly working against all common sense, the Chono thing is a pure coincidence, even though both involve Austin and the same uncommon piledriver variation. He explained it when Michael Schiavello interviewed him on his AXS TV show, "The Voice Versus," in 2013: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tBmYq05u3No&t=2159s Basically, the Chono injury was kayfabed from him during the Japanese tour, and nobody told him after the fact, so he had no idea about it until the "Austin didn't want to do the K-Driller because he learned his lesson from the Chono injury " urban legend got back to him years later. He apologized to Chono, and seemingly felt really bad that he went at least five years (probably more) without knowing that he had badly hurt someone in a match, but I can't think of any reason he'd have to lie about this particular part of the story. If anything, the Chono thing provides for a neater story than "Owen was insistent on dropping to his rear end from a tombstone setup and nobody knows why." I'm curious why Austin was already skittish about piledrivers, though; sure, his neck was already banged up at the time, but if it's a standard tombstone or standard piledriver, it's generally pretty safe in the hands of a trained professional. The worst piledriver injuries were all from either reverse (Owen-Austin) or inverted (Scorpio-Taz) tombstones
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How do Americans say macho, more like "marcho" as opposed to "matcho"? I guess I never thought about the difference until now.
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bartok posted:Was there ever any non-Hornswoggle plans for who the Anonymous Raw GM was supposed to be? I think Kevin Nash was confirmed by a former writer, which makes sense because he ended up coming back to WWE about a year or so after the Anonymous GM angle wrapped up? Another one I don't think was ever brought up on any dirt sheets or rumors or anything, but I recall people wondering if it'd be Michael Cole since he was doing his heel gimmick around that time if I recall. Other than that, I pretty much believe there was no actual other option than Nash/Hornsoggle, which is hilarious. Kind of insane given how they have like a million writers on staff and they settled upon leaving it open ended and filling in the blanks later.
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Michael Cole made sense, because along with being a heel he became a bit of a toady for the imaginary GM and was also weirdly protective of the laptop. It wasn't out of the question that he was emailing himself or getting someone else to email in when he was unavailable. I started following wrestling again around that time and the fact that it became increasingly obvious that they weren't seriously interested in actually resolving the angle was one of the big signifiers of how bad WWE had gotten to me. IT'S ME AUSTIN made absolutely no sense but it least it played a part in the story. Hedgehog Pie fucked around with this message at 08:22 on Sep 2, 2020 |
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I think 90% of the time they come up with the blanks later. I was working at WWE the night after the nexus debuted and they didn’t have a name for the stable. We were all pitching on it, glad they didn’t pick “ The nucleus“.
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Hedgehog Pie posted:Michael Cole made sense, because along with being a heel he became a bit of a toady for the imaginary GM and was also weirdly protective of the laptop. It wasn't out of the question that he was emailing himself or getting someone else to email in when he was unavailable. Now that you mention it, I do remember him being protective of the laptop. I think they also started a bit where the GM would sign off with someone's catchphrase too. I don't think there would've been anyone who would've been a satisfying reveal I suppose, so why not Hornswoggle I guess
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davidbix posted:Stone Cold stuff I'm willing to take everything he said at face value, because the idea that he has this conversation with Owen where he repeatedly asks how he's going to do the tombstone, is repeatedly given the same consistent answer (rear end, not knees), acknowledges that Owen was a consummate professional (and therefore would have no reason to go to his knees when Taker was coming in the main event and would be stealing his exact finisher rather than doing the variant which is more respectful), then goes up for the move, ignores the warnings, takes the move wrong, and lays there thinking "how could Owen rib me like this?" is just hilarious. It's that meme of the guy shoving the stick in his bike and then falling down and blaming the stick.
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Hedgehog Pie posted:How do Americans say macho, more like "marcho" as opposed to "matcho"? I guess I never thought about the difference until now. The back-up singers were rhyming it with "batch-oh"
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I remember the Wrestlemania album coming up long long ago in the previous thread:triplexpac posted:If that's the one off Wrestlemania: The Album, it's because it was produced by Simon Cowell and some other Brits who didn't know anything about wrestling. They were given a list of WWF terms or something, and just threw poo poo together from there. Skinty McEdger posted:Simon Cowell is an idiot. Thats basically the entire explination for the entire wrestlemania album.
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I always remember thinking the Bret song was about his sister getting married to Davey Boy Smith & why does this sound so incestuous, that's weird?
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I was wondering how we got this far without the Bret song. I always figured it was an attempt to make him like an 80s idol that appealed to teen girls or something
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forkboy84 posted:I always remember thinking the Bret song was about his sister getting married to Davey Boy Smith & why does this sound so incestuous, that's weird?
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I like that the song “wrestlemania” starts with asking if anyone is ready for survivor series.
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THE TOWER OF POWER TOO SWEET TO BE SOUR FUNKY LIKE A MONKEY OOOOOOOOOOOHH YEEEEEEEAAAAHH
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I think my favorite thing is that the Tatanka song is titled “Tatanka Native American”.
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TATANKA BUFFALO TATANKA BUFFALO I got Native American blood in my veins and I fight IN THE WORLD WRESTLING FEDERATION I listened to that album way too much as a kid.
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Pope Corky the IX posted:THE TOWER OF POWER TOO SWEET TO BE SOUR FUNKY LIKE A MONKEY OOOOOOOOOOOHH YEEEEEEEAAAAHH
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