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Well, this is one hell of a page snipe.TheDavies posted:The teacher, by a wide margin. The psychic construct hasn't actually raped anybody. If the devs really wanted to go there, then they could've showed Kamoshida's Palace and Shadow warping into even further depravity after what he did to Shiho. Considerations of taste aside, ramping up the first palace to 11 would probably throw off the pacing for the rest of the game. Ryuji and Ann already bring their grudges to the forefront here and that's literally half of the team actively gunning for this piece of poo poo from the moment they have the means. Madarame's a twisted bastard as well, but his palace almost feels like a relief to me after all of the unfortunate implications in Kamoshida's. Then again - I'd rather see more of Shiho being an actual character in the rest of the story instead of being introduced like a prop and promptly fridged to up the stakes for everyone else. I'm really hoping they bring her back into the active side cast sometime later, or at least give her a more satisfying resolution to her character ... arc ... ? I can't tell whether she was such a relative non-entity in the original game that she effectively never returned, or if it was such a brief scene that I don't even remember it. I do remember Shiho as a topic coming up during some of Ann's confidant scenes, but I don't remember Shiho herself at all. I've already staked out my content demands for this rerelease (MORE LALA), so I'm content to sit tight and wait.
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I think Shiho showed up once or twice more in the game, but it was optional confidant scenes.Arist posted:
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Malah posted:Well, this is one hell of a page snipe. Kamoshida's palace already feels ramped to 11 relative to the other palaces. Like the rest of them are all obviously bastards in their own right but the weight given to Kamoshida as-is always felt uhhhh, well, weightier. Like compare this and all its set up to vague sci-fi space station about overworking or Sae's Crime Casino or Shido's 1%er cruise liner. Even the sex slave (?) guy doesn't feel nearly as serious as Kamoshida and his palace presents him as a dumb king in shorts and a bathrobe with comical torture devices.
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I guess Kamoshida having such a heinous direct effect on so much of the early party and in an area that is one of the central hubs of the game makes your investment in him more personal. After that, though, every subsequent person is just "Character who might be related to (Party Member), but is otherwise 5000 miles out of sight and mind" aside from arguably Sae. It didn't really help that later bosses kinda felt like they had to throw in these last second mentions of things that made the bosses worse because they didn't really measure up to Kamoshida. Madarame in particular is pretty whatever as a villain up until the whole "Oh, by the way, I watched your mom die because I thought it'd be great if I could plagiarize her for profit."
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Malah posted:If the devs really wanted to go there, then they could've showed Kamoshida's Palace and Shadow warping into even further depravity after what he did to Shiho. I don't think we have evidence that Shiho was or wasn't his first victim, right?
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I think Shadow Kamoshida's weird underwear + cape routine is a reference to him thinking that this is his castle and he can do as he pleases, so traipsing around under-dressed like it's his own house and no one is there is a-ok in his mind. It does kind of backfire and make him seem pretty ridiculous, but maybe that's a good thing for a first boss that is otherwise pretty drat menacing and dangerous in the real world?
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Rawkking posted:I think Shadow Kamoshida's weird underwear + cape routine is a reference to him thinking that this is his castle and he can do as he pleases, so traipsing around under-dressed like it's his own house and no one is there is a-ok in his mind. It does kind of backfire and make him seem pretty ridiculous, but maybe that's a good thing for a first boss that is otherwise pretty drat menacing and dangerous in the real world? I always assumed that it was a combination of him being proud of his body and just a volleyball thing.
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Blueberry Pancakes posted:I guess Kamoshida having such a heinous direct effect on so much of the early party and in an area that is one of the central hubs of the game makes your investment in him more personal. After that, though, every subsequent person is just "Character who might be related to (Party Member), but is otherwise 5000 miles out of sight and mind" aside from arguably Sae. Yeah the game does a good point of selling Yusuke's conflict between his mentor and the art thief, but then decides to make him a cackling villain at the end just to remove any ambiguity about it. Kaneshiro was rotten enough that you don't care about his backstory, Okumura is just whatever.
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Malah posted:I do remember Shiho as a topic coming up during some of Ann's confidant scenes, but I don't remember Shiho herself at all. Her reappearance in the big finale of Ann's confidant has already been mentioned. The wiki indicates that Makoto is shown talking to Shiho during the protagonist's imprisonment; checking the archive suggests this is an overstatement, as she's only mentioned in the conversation that Makoto has with an unidentified person (possibly Ann.) quote:
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Now that we know the name, all we need is an address. …… You’re right. We’ll succeed if we all do it together. Sis has yet to say anything, but I believe she’s looking into possible actions as well. As for me, I will look into every viable solution. ...Thank you. Make sure you give my regards to Shiho-san.
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I'd consider Kamoshida worse than Madarame because he's directly influencing a whole school of kids who then become a generation of scared bullies and Mishimas with low self-esteem. Madarame is scum, but the way the game plays it out it feels like it's less systematic compared to the other villains; Yusuke was the only student left who's stayed with him, and if Madarame passed on there wouldn't be much perpetuating his cycle.
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Madarame really feels like they designed Yusuke and just sort of filled in a dungeon and villain around him. Better than Kaneshiro, of course, who feels like they were getting ready to ship the game when the intern raised his hand and went “sorry, but aren’t there seven deadly sins?”
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I forget, did Kaneshiro have connections to Yakuza?
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Mafia. The Japanese incursion of the same, anyway; someone else was a former Yakuza.
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Madarame's palace has pretty strong implications that he's been doing this for a long, long time and what became of most of his students can't be pretty. Kaneshiro is also a bit of an odd one out among the Palace rulers because he's exactly as he appears on the outside and how he presents himself. There's no deception, self- or otherwise, no pretense of a respectable role like the others: he just lives to leech everyone around him off their money, and the paperthin psychology behind it is only shown after the boss fight.
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The Madarame escalation is kind of hilarious because it eventually ruins part of Yusuke's Confidant when the art guy tells him "you know, Madarame cared about you in his own way" and you're stuck thinking "dude murdered your mom through inaction,  "
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Arist posted:The Madarame escalation is kind of hilarious because it eventually ruins part of Yusuke's Confidant when the art guy tells him "you know, Madarame cared about you in his own way" and you're stuck thinking "dude murdered your mom through inaction, He cares about the kid but not the mom, so the statement is technically correct. Though the sentiment is also muddled by Madrame's shadow blatantly saying that he adopted Yusuke to prevent him from learning the truth. YaketySass posted:Kaneshiro is also a bit of an odd one out among the Palace rulers because he's exactly as he appears on the outside and how he presents himself. There's no deception, self- or otherwise, no pretense of a respectable role like the others: he just lives to leech everyone around him off their money, and the paperthin psychology behind it is only shown after the boss fight. The game goes out of its way to ensure you that main characters are completely justified in their actions, as they face off against egregious evil instead of realistic adults who subtly abuse their power and mask their desires.
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I think the idea with Kaneshiro is that he thinks that what he does is a legit and normal way of moneymaking, hence why the Palace is a bank and the people are ATMs, but it obviously wasn't communicated super-well and the escalation from being a con artist to straight up sex slaver doesn't help.
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resurgam40 posted:Mafia. The Japanese incursion of the same, anyway; someone else was a former Yakuza. It might be a weird translation quirk (god knows this game has a few of those) but I got the impression that they were making Kaneshiro's "mafia" out to be something distinct from the actual yakuza.
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Gen. Ripper posted:I think the idea with Kaneshiro is that he thinks that what he does is a legit and normal way of moneymaking, hence why the Palace is a bank and the people are ATMs, but it obviously wasn't communicated super-well and the escalation from being a con artist to straight up sex slaver doesn't help.
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AradoBalanga posted:It's not helped by everything in his arc making you think he's the game's representative for greed, but then he's revealed to be the gluttony representative. Which probably comes back to the poor communication bit, since I believe Kaneshiro's "gluttony" is that he massively hoards wealth and only rarely distributes it to anyone else. But, since everything in his Palace revolves around money (a major factor for greed), the player misses this thanks to the game not properly explaining poo poo to the player. Gluttony makes a bit more sense when he's introduced impulsively gifting a small fortune to the woman besides him so she can buy a luxury bag. Greed hoards, Gluttony wastes carelessly (compare Okumura, with his machine-like focus on reaching his goals). But really, there's quite a bit of overlap between the different Palace rulers and Memento targets, the sins motif doesn't seem to be all that rigid.
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ApplesandOranges posted:I'd consider Kamoshida worse than Madarame because he's directly influencing a whole school of kids who then become a generation of scared bullies and Mishimas with low self-esteem. Madarame is arguably the villain who’s been a monster the longest though, in the context of his evil actions. He’s been destroying lives at least as long as Yusuke has been alive, whereas Shido and Kaneshiro are much more a new problem (outside the stuff around Akechi’s situation for Shido). Remember every single one of the paintings of people in Madarame’s museum is a victim and he had no intention of stopping with Yusuke, he just needed to attain more students in a few years for him to continue his abusive ways. Okumara also is a relatively recent thing if we accept Haru’s opinion on the matter, he’s only gotten so bad in the last few years from how she and others who knew him seem to see him.
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Lord_Magmar posted:Madarame is arguably the villain who’s been a monster the longest though, in the context of his evil actions. He’s been destroying lives at least as long as Yusuke has been alive, whereas Shido and Kaneshiro are much more a new problem (outside the stuff around Akechi’s situation for Shido). Remember every single one of the paintings of people in Madarame’s museum is a victim and he had no intention of stopping with Yusuke, he just needed to attain more students in a few years for him to continue his abusive ways.
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Sylphosaurus posted:Didn´t at least one of Madarame´s pupil commit suicide after he dropped him/her? Yes, and you can also find at least two person in Shibuya who are homeless and commenting about art. I think Arist showed off one of them in the previous LP.
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Starmie is one of the best pokemon in the entire series. It wasn't until Sun and Moon that Starmie finally fell from OU into UU. Over 20 years of being competitively viable. What a beast. Edit:Wrong thread whoops 
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loving love Fiona Apple posted:Starmie is one of the best pokemon in the entire series. It wasn't until Sun and Moon that Starmie finally fell from OU into UU. Think you missed the mark a little
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Yeah I'm psyched the stadium LP returned too. Gave the P5A dub a watch and the VAs are killing it.
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rannum posted:Think you missed the mark a little No no, this is indeed the series where you summon the various crazy creatures to fight for you, each with different moves, stats, strengths and weaknesses.
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I dunno, being weak to physicals just means that Decarabia just falls to physical attackers. It's really only good for super-effective damage and then switching out to a better sweeper for cleanup.
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loving love Fiona Apple posted:Starmie is one of the best pokemon in the entire series. It wasn't until Sun and Moon that Starmie finally fell from OU into UU. Close enough. 
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ApplesandOranges posted:I dunno, being weak to physicals just means that Decarabia just falls to physical attackers. It's really only good for super-effective damage and then switching out to a better sweeper for cleanup. Persona PvP sounds nightmarish and cool the more I think about it.
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Lord_Magmar posted:Persona PvP sounds nightmarish and cool the more I think about it. Now I'm imagining some guy raging on Persona PvP because the other guy just spams Die for me or the Hama equivalent.
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Gorka posted:Now I'm imagining some guy raging on Persona PvP because the other guy just spams Die for me or the Hama equivalent. Look, if you’re gonna roll into PVP without making sure your instakill resistances aren’t totally covered, you’re gonna get gibbed.
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While Okamura is a bad person, he's not much different than pretty much any CEO of a large corporation.
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Gorka posted:Now I'm imagining some guy raging on Persona PvP because the other guy just spams Die for me or the Hama equivalent. Alice can do that easier since her trait lets her use instakills without cost
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Chapter 12: 4/15-4/17: Impos(doc)tor This update covers Part 10 of the original LP. Music: Will Power   Yeah, no.  Pfft, outside of school, that guy’s nothing but a pathetic loser!Goodbye, my big strong toilet boy.  I’ll keep up with skill gains for this game even if I’m not sure there’s much if anything in the way of actual changes to characters’ skillsets. Music: Desire   poo poo, all we’ve got left in terms of reinforcements is that one dickhead who lives in the basement… Fine, call him!   Are you all right, Lady Ann? Oh god, why’s it staring at me like that…? Anyway, what the hell is going on here!?     Oh boy, which of these *great* dialogue options to pick?  >Calm down. No! We need to get moving. The Shadows will be coming for us soon. Ugh, so much for today… Give me your arm. Joker, you take the other. I appreciate that they actually show us how it looks here when the team re-enters the real world in-engine for once, but this always just looks to me like like the same pop-in that happens at the start of scenes when the game needs to load NPC models, heh.   Looks like we made it back—hey, are you okay? Well, pretty much… Wait, I lied… I’m still confused about all of this. You may be safe now, but a lot sure did happen back there… At any rate, we stand out too much here. Let’s relocate to a safer spot.Music: Break it Down (Elp Version)   Whichever’s not carbonated. Bad luck for you. Ugh.   I live inside the bag now! It is full of my hair and feces! Um… Morgana, right? I really am talking to a cat… This feel so strange… Oh, sorry! You’re not a cat, right? Someone actually gets it! Confusion is natural. You’ve been through a lot today. I can barely believe all of it… especially my Persona… It’s the power of your rebellious spirit. You can use it to fight over on that side. So if what you told me is true, we can make Kamoshida have a change of heart, right? Is it really possible? Can we actually force him to confess his crimes? This is our only shot at fixin’ things. No one else is gonna listen to or help us. Then I want in. I need to get revenge for Shiho. That bastard, just going on like nothing happened… Unforgivable. Wait, you want to come with us? That was the entire arc of this conversation leading up to this, dude! Sheesh… You saw, I can pull my own weight. And if you say no I’ll just do it myself. Looks like she’s got us over a barrel. I say we give her a shot. We need the manpower anyway, don’t we? I’ll watch her back. Yeah, that’s part of the probl—oh, whatever. Yeah, I guess we can’t turn her down then, rgh… Then let’s do this! Not just for Shiho, but so that no one else ever has to suffer because of Kamoshida! I sense a strong fighting resolve from Ann…Music: Interrogation Room    As a phantom thief, you must have known how to put up a false front to charm and trick people… You’re probably even a master at that kind of performance… Tell me your secrets! What lies do I need to tell to get people to like me!?Music: The Spirit   Wait, what? I’m… pretty sure we got Baton Pass here in the original release. What are you playing at, game…? If you moved that unlock to her Rank 2, which isn’t even available until next month, I’m gonna be really pissed! Music: Break it Down (Elp Version)  Hey, give me your number and chat ID. And, um…  I’ll be counting on you, then. Same goes for you, Morgana. The pleasure is all mine, Lady Ann.  She’s so considerate and kind… and determined enough to throw herself headlong into danger… Not to mention her beauty… Kamoshida’s heart isn’t the only one she seems to be stealing! Dude.Agreed, Ryuji. Agreed. We need some place to meet up quickly from now on… Yes, a scret hideout would be ideal. The school rooftop should suffice. Nobody goes up there, right? It’s nice and secluded. I would be surprised if they leave that unlocked in the future after today though… but I may be underestimating the apathy of Shujin’s faculty… I can’t contact you from inside a Palace, so I’ll stay in this world. That being said, I’ll need someone to take care of me. *instantly puts finger on nose* Wha—oh, gently caress you! I was going to pick you anyway. It’s a high honor, after all. Well, let’s meet at the hideout tomorrow! See ya!   Music: Beneath the Mask (Instrumental Version) After School → Evening  Or instead, we can harass the clientele!  You okay, Takemi? Got a sore throat or something? Your voice sounds weird.  Hey, lay off the customers. Sorry if he was rude, Doctor. ...I don’t mind.  Come on, you’re getting in the way. Go on upstairs.Get well soon, Takemi!   Fine then.   Come back again. Who was that? Oh, that customer just now? She’s the head doctor over at that clinic down the street. Rumor has it she gives pretty crappy examinations, and sells some weird homemade medicines on top of that. At least, that’s what I’ve heard. I haven’t been there myself.It’s impolite to gossip, Sojiro.  They should really just leave her alone. It’s not like she’s getting in the way of their lives…“They”? Hey, are we there yet? Shut the gently caress up, dude! …… Anyway, I should get home…   Ohhhhh… Oh noooo… We have a problem here… A cat!? Really!? People *eat* here, we can’t have animals around… though I guess a pet might help you out in your situation… Fine, but it’s all on you to take care of it. That was bizarrely easy! Was that the ruler of this place? He seemed pretty understanding for someone who keeps you cramped up in this dump. You would be wrong! Make sure you wash that dish. By the way… have you decided on a name? Morgana. Well, that or The Thing That Wouldn’t Leave, anyway. Morgana? Huh… I was hoping I’d get to name it. That’s pretty weird but very endearing, I’ll write it in my probation diary. Please don’t. Looks like the chief prefers me to you. And even if these aren’t the finest accommodations, Kamoshida’s cells were much worse. ...Remember how you guys asked me before about what I am? To be honest… I don’t remember anything about my birth. Neither do most humans, maybe you are one after all. I think the Metaverse’s distortions made me lose both my memories and my true form. Once we get rid of those distortions, I’m sure I’ll be able to get my old self back. I was working on that when you found me in that castle.   I’ll pay you back for taking care of me. I know a lot about special infiltration tools that will give us an edge up in Palaces. Hmm… Your ideas are intriguing to me and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter. I’ll tell you more about them if you agree. How about it? All right, but only because you’re probably just going to impose yourself upon me anyway even if I do refuse. Hehehe… Then it’s a deal. Morgana seems rather happy…Music: Interrogation Room   I’m gonna level with you: your bag was full of cat turds and hairballs. There were some lockpicks in there too, I should probably ask about those, but really, what the gently caress is going on in there? Tell me everything.Music: The Spirit   Music: Beneath the Mask (Instrumental Version)  I’ll lecture you about the infiltration tools over time. By the way, the power you used in the Palace was seriously amazing. The stronger that power gets, the more reliable it’ll be as a trump card. All right, I’m gonna stick with you wherever you go from today on. I instantly regret this! Personas are the strength born from one’s heart. Depending on what kind of life experience you gain, I bet it’ll affect that power as well! And if you become acquainted with capable people, you might learn various useful skills too… This is all part of our deal, got it? I expect great things from you. Don’t let me down, okay? I hate walking though, so I’m going to keep riding around in your bag.   Just wanted to let you know that. See you tomorrow. You guy send messages to each other with that thing, right? I want in too, so I’m gonna have to ask you to type for me. I do not know how to type. I keep telling people this.     If you don’t like my room, you can move out!!! I mean, I don’t exactly like it either, but…  OH GOD IT’S ALREADY STARTING   Early Morning Music: Beneath the Mask (Instrumental Version)  …… While we’re riding the train, we’ve got some downtime. I wonder if we could put it to good use…  (Ill-Looking Girl) I haven’t been feeling well lately. My head’s all foggy, and I have no energy… I’ve tried every drug at the pharmacy, but nothing works. Do I have some new virus? Wait, *every* drug? That sounds bad for you. Maybe that’s why you’re sick in the first place. …Is this the onset of a psychotic breakdown? Wh-What should I do? Am I going to die!? Calm down, calm down! Let’s go to the clinic. Come on. I’m sure the doctor can prescribe something that’ll fix you right up! Uhh, class starts in like five minutes. But sure, later. Doctors have the best medicine, huh…Wow, stunning insight gleaned from that, Morgana. Doctors have medicine. Couldn’t have figured that out any other way! Hey, wasn’t that one customer back at Leblanc a doctor? I doubt she has veterinary training. Not for me, you dope! For the Palace! Let’s head to school together. I mean, it’s right there, but whatever.  Early Morning → Afternoon Music: So Boring   Don’t text now. We’re in class. Whoa! You mean you’re actually listening to all this crap? Yeah, but none of it is really sticking today… I know, right? Anyways, hideout after school? Where exactly is this “hideout”? The school roof.We didn’t loving tell Ann about the hideout yet? Wait, we can still go up there?I was wondering the same thing yesterday, Ann. Apparently it’s just fine. Whatever. Yeah, I’ll let you in. Welp, I’ll be waiting. Just come on up once school’s over. >Gotcha. I’m gonna fine you if you’re late! >Under whose authority!?  You! Pay attention! Is that how you listen when someone’s talking to you!?  Ooh… That looked like it hurt. *snicker* He hit him right in the forehead… That’s what you get for daydreaming! Kids these days have no respect for their elders. Good grief… Looks like you need more Proficiency to completely dodge that. I’ll show you, old man… I’ll become the greatest chalk-dodger in all the land! Then you’ll see! Then you’ll *all* see!Afternoon → After School Music: Suspicion  Mkay, let’s get goin’! We can’t head into the Palace just yet. We still need to prepare if we don’t want this infiltration to be as… chaotic as the last few. Ain’t that Persona poo poo we got enough to deal with it? Sure, it’s your funeral. We need to be extremely careful in there. Like how? Glad you asked, Lady Ann! We’ll first need better equipment for everyone. I kinda wanted to ask about that. Where did Ryuji get his shotgun from? Or, similarly, Ann’s SMG? Probably the same place you pulled that knife out from when you first summoned Arsène. Unless you’re not telling us all something about that… Touché. Question retracted. Anyway, I know where we can get some kick-rear end weapons. Then we’ll leave that to you. We also need some medicine to treat our wounds. Don’t worry; Maaku and I are working on a relevant lead for that today. Huh? Just go with it. That’s it, everyone. Maaku, take us to Yongen!Music: Tokyo Emergency  The doctor who prescribes medication after a quick examination? She was sitting at the booth… Sojiro didn’t actually say anything like that about her, but okay. I just realized something. If she’s the kind of doctor who gets sketchy rumors like that, maybe she’ll help us out. She’s somewhere in the neighborhood, right? Take me to her. What, are *you* going to convince her? Unless your plan is to meow at her until she gives in I’m the one who has to do all the work here!  Are all the kids like that these days? I can hear ya, but… Just keep that in mind. So, what was that about kindergarten?  Larger hospitals are much better because they’ve got so many more talented doctors. The doctor I go to works at a major hospital. He’s very good. Or at least, he feels reliable.  (Radio Host) We received a postcard asking us, “What’s causing all these accidents?” Some people are saying is had to be some kind of curse. I’m getting the heebie-jeebies thinking about it!  Hogwash. That all happened because those people didn’t take good enough care of themselves.  I’m tempted to go myself, but those rumors… I wish I had the guts to go in like you… What if… we lied? ...Well, I guess that’s the only choice we have. Music: Butterfly Kiss    Hm? I feel like I’ve seen you somewhere before… I’m new in town. Hmm… Well, whatever… So, what are you here for today? I’m… dying? Uh, yes. Give me the drugs to ease my suffering. You escalated this way too quickly! I’m a bad liar, okay!? …… …Fine. Please head to the exam room.   Wait… something’s off here…   *gasp* You’re not Takemi! Impostor!!!! So, funny story: based on total secondhand information that I read in like, a YouTube comment around the time around the English release that I might not even be remembering correctly, Atlus West was unable to contact Kirsten Potter to reprise the role of Takemi because she moved or something. Presumably she left the VA industry entirely, but I don’t actually know. To replace her, they brought in Abby Trott, who’s been working since about 2015 or so. She was Maya Fey in Apollo Justice 2 and Annette in Fire Emblem: Three Houses (as well as the singer of the main theme of Super Smash Bros. Ultimate, which I guess I am legally obligated to mention because Joker is in that game), but the role I know her as is actually Nezuko from Demon Slayer. It’s hilarious that I know her best from that because she gets about three lines in that show and they’re split up by like twenty episodes, but hey, work’s work. The issue is that this performance… kinda lacks a little something. Now, I’m a huge VA nerd. I wouldn’t call this a bad performance by any means, and I try never to blame actors for bad performances anyway (casting and direction are paramount in voice acting, one personal example being that the dub of Gatchaman CROWDS is utterly ruined almost entirely by the voice acting for the main character… but that same actress plays Hange in Attack on Titan, and she’s great in that, and I don’t even like Attack on Titan!). I don’t think it’s Trott’s fault for any deficiencies in the performance, I just think that she’s a little miscast here. The big problem is that Potter’s performance, which Trott’s cannot possibly escape being compared to, radiates more of a natural confidence, I guess? There’s a more established maturity there, and her voice has a certain sultriness that Trott’s unfortunately doesn’t. It’s not just “oh, her voice is a little higher and little flatter,” it really changes the way she comes across (which itself is not necessarily a bad thing). And part of the way it changes how she comes across is that… she’s less scary! Which I think is a bummer. Part of the fun of Takemi’s character was that she was like, actually kind of scary. I got used to the voice change pretty quickly, but it’s still a shame. Hopefully the last three paragraphs managed to justify themselves, I just wanted to point out the switch and also explain how it affects the game in my eyes. Now, on to scamming some painkillers off this doctor! Oh wait, she wants to give us sleeping pills now, gently caress. Which type of pill do you want, a sweet-tasting one or a bitter one? My insides are melting. Please give me painkillers or at least end my suffering. *sigh* Yeah, yeah, let’s cut to the chase: I know you’re not sick. You heard some rumors and you thought you could get some of my homemade medicines, huh? Well, you’re right. But only medication that will help you recover your health. I guess it’s fine. You seem pretty earnest, and you don’t look like you’ll be any trouble. This is my private practice. All the medicine I dispense is original. Wait, is that even legal? I have a license to make my own formulas. You’ve likely seen them being sold at various hospitals. Still, don’t they need to do like, clinical trials or whatever? Also I haven’t seen that because I don’t really make a habit of going to the hospital. Uh, you probably should. It’s your responsibility to take care of yourself. So if that’s okay with you, stop by anytime. This still doesn’t make any sense but okay. Super. You’re a pretty weird kid, you know? I wonder what you’re going to use the medicine for…  Well, as long as you don’t cause me any trouble, it’s not my problem…  So, on this screen I buy 3 Recov-Rs and 2 No Har-Ms for a total of 3,400 yen. I should not have bought the latter item. I’m relatively unlikely to seriously need the status cure and more importantly, it leaves me with only 1,731 yen, which is not enough to buy a Revivadrin to revive a fallen ally, which I am much more likely to need. Curse you, past Arist!!! With that, we leave. Hopefully it’ll be enough. Some of you may be wondering why this is all such an issue, given something I did in the last LP. Well… I’ll get to that in a bit. Music: Suspicion     Enough charades! I know you’re the only person who could have developed that medicine. No idea what you’re talking about. Don’t play dumb with me. Rumor has it, it’s a drug so potent it can give a person unlimited power.What the gently caress??? Really? That’s news to me. Developing experimental drugs, medicine, and herbal remedies violates all health regulations. Are you attempting to create a super-stimulant? A drug like that will only become a social issue. You’re really persistent, you know that? I’m just a quack… You clearly intend to stain my reputation again. If the police won’t respond, maybe the media will… I’ll ruin the name “Tae Takemi”! Resign! You’ll never work in— Music: Tokyo Emergency  They could very well still catch you. You’re standing directly outside the entrance. That secret medicine of Takemi’s sounds incredible… It could really give us the upper hand! Let’s come back when that man isn’t there and ask about it!Is that so, Morgana? Well, I actually know what that medicine is because I’ve played this game before and eh, it’s not really worth all the fuss.   It’s in Shibuya. Come with me there tomorrow, I’ll show you the place. Just meet me in front of Shibuya Station! Let’s go home for now.After School → Evening Music: Beneath the Mask (Instrumental Version)  Once we’re prepared, let’s take on the Palace. That’s where the real fun starts, got it?   Remember what I said earlier about the previous LP? Well, in that LP to finance our early dungeon-going we downloaded one of the free DLCs that gave a bunch of rare healing items and sold the most expensive one for 50,000 yen. Well… this game has DLC too! And all of the old DLC, as well!                                …But wait, there’s more!    So, all the old DLC for the original game was available for free for Royal, and I also bought all the new DLC because I’m stupid. There’s also a fairly hefty bonus available for having a Persona 5 save, which I of course do. But one thing I always kind of regretted doing in the old LP was selling that Soma. It made things easier, sure, but exploiting something not even really *in* the game but ancillary to it felt grimy. So we’re just gonna reload a save and not actually pick up any of this crap! Oh boy, the Palace is gonna be real fun! (For the record, the stuff that isn’t an item you can use or equip we still have without having to consult The Forbidden DLC Box, like Personas and something else I’ll mention later. We’re not going to be using the DLC Personas either because they’re all free to summon and all completely broken)   Daytime Music: Tokyo Emergency   The shop’s on Central Street, let’s get goin’! TORA DETECTED. HOORAY.   While Japanese society may appear to be thriving, many young people have not been as blessed as their elders. They have no jobs, no savings, no financial security whatsoever… These young people should be tackling their futures head-on, but instead, they’re too busy merely trying to survive.Too real, Tora. Too real.  Eh, people give speeches all the time. Plus, politics are pretty boring, anyways.   The shop can be pretty confusin’ to find sometimes.Why would it *sometimes* be harder?  This guy seems on the up-and-up.   Looking for a part-time job? It’s easy money! I can make a recommendation for you. Hey, you’ll lose track of Ryuji if you waste time with this guy. Don’t you want some pocket change? I can help you out. >What kind of work is it? Look, it’s easy, and it’ll net you tons of cash. Just follow me and we’ll get you sorted out. Hey, we don’t have time for this guy. We’re supposed to be getting weapons today, remember? Let’s just go after Ryuji.Fine. Kaneshiro will have to find some other patsy, I guess.   C’mon, let’s check it out!Before we do that, let’s talk to slash eavesdrop on some random people! Wouldn’t be the P5 LP without it!   I lost a bunch of games in a row, so I’m taking a break. (Novice Pick-Up Artist) To be honest, I’m feeling like maybe I’m a lost cause… Listen. Women are delicate, like cotton candy. Don’t get clumsy, and you’ll get to have a taste.Gross. A lot of strange stuff has been going on lately, so talk about that to break the ice. Got it?  And I really wanted to see this one too! You could at least have told me where you were…  (Late Man) You can go to the movies any time you want. There’ll be opportunities. Oh, how about we rent a DVD instead? We can go back and chill at my place.gently caress this dude. Or rather, *don’t* gently caress him.   I like the spring special burger, but I might just go with the Big Bang like I always do…   Don’t go into that alley. I saw a blond punk just head in…  Nope! Guess we can just ask for recs from the guy behind the counter then.Music: Layer Cake    Yep. …I dunno, just buy whatever seems interestin’ to you.  Ugh, some customer service… Fine, whaddya want? An automatic? A revolver? Uh, automatic…? Dude, why’re you talkin’ about cars now!?Oh, Ryuji, you sweet dum-dum.  Listen, this here’s an enthusiast shop. My regulars’ll be mad if I let a casual like you hang around.lmao look at this dipshit’s gun get a real firing pin casul, ive 3d printed better I’m not a freakin’ casual! I bought poo poo from here like, last week! It’s true, he did! Don’t remember you. What are you looking for? >Something that looks real. Not for a couple more dungeons, no. Anyways… you shoulda said before you two’re enthusiasts. I’m always up for helpin’ fresh faces. Some precautions first though. Keep them hidden, don’t point them at people, and for the love of god, don’t let the cops find out where you got them. Had to pick it, and had to show that I picked it. How ‘bout that? Me too.Awww.  I’ll let you look at the beginner selection. Here. Sweet, dude! Oh, can you shop for me from now on? I brought some cash, take it.  All I buy here is a 4,600 yen “Protector” for Maaku (Shoulder Pads), under the rationale that we want him to take less damage. After all, the game still loving ends if he gets the vapors, so we’d better keep him upright.  I don’t buy off any model guns from other people, so keep that in mind. I don’t wanna deal with any problems buyin’ somethin’ that’s already been modified. And that’s all I gotta say.Basically, we can’t sell guns we find in Palaces or that we get from Itemizing Personas to Iwai… I think is the gist of this? Whatever, it’s not super important.  Daytime → Evening Music: Beneath the Mask (Instrumental Version)   Apparently that subway driver from the accident was acting really odd during his testimony hearing. You talking about that psychotic whatever thing people’re going on about? Yeah, I heard it completely alters your personality. The news is saying the driver couldn’t even speak when they tried asking him questions. Only an idiot’d believe a preposterous story like that. Also please leave, I wanna go home. Hmph, how rude. This must be why you don’t get many customers. Your coffee’s actually not half bad. The beans must be lamenting the sorry state of this store… Thanks for stopping in. Please come again. I’m only trying to help you fix your business. Thanks for the coffee, at least. Sheesh, what a pain… What’re you looking at? I can give you some chores if you’re bored. You really treat your customers like that? Yep. It’s all good as long as the shop doesn’t fail. I’m not gonna go wearing a fake smile. What if it does fail, though? This affects more than just you. You have no idea, kid… Yeah, maybe I’d end up on the street, but as long as I’m here, I’m at peace. No annoyances or troublesome people to deal with. It’s like my own personal hideaway. I’d be kinda screwed if I lose it, but I guess you would be too. So, you better at least try and be useful around here. anyway, I’m leaving now. Don’t cause any trouble.  She’s stable, but still unconscious. I know she’ll get better. I just need to believe in her. But still, I’m going to take down Kamoshida. I’ll never forgive him. We just need to assemble some infiltration tools. Clean off that desk back there so we can use it.  What?     The crafting screen has changed a bit, but it’s still fundamentally the same. The big improvement here is that you can now craft multiple of the same item at once.      Maaku gains Proficiency +2.   We’re heading into the Palace tomorrow. Let’s get some sleep.Editor’s note: we are not actually heading into the Palace tomorrow. Line Changes!!!!! When we flashforward to Sae when starting Ann’s Confidant, “I doubt something as dangerous as your group could’ve been pulled off with orthodox methods. It wouldn’t be odd if you had someone that was proficient in deceiving the eyes of others…” (which, oof) has become “A group like yours must have relied on subtlety and misdirection. Otherwise, you’d never survive. Some of you might even have been hiding behind a “public face” their entire lives.” Holy poo poo, you can actually loving parse what Sae is trying to say now! And it’s even semi-relevant to being a phantom thief! Sorta! At the end of the argument between Sojiro and Haughty Regular, the latter’s line “Hmph. I only say this out of politeness, but… thanks for the coffee,” has become, “I’m only trying to help you fix your business. Thanks for the coffee, at least.” Arist fucked around with this message at 00:31 on Aug 14, 2023 |
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I think Abby Trott sounds significantly better. She sounds more like an actual person to me than the prior artificial-sounding deep voice. The old VA sounded like she was in her 30s or 40s, whereas I think Abby sounds late 20s or so, which fits a lot more.
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