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Got a lat/long? Looking at it in Google Earth and then comparing it to known sites is a good start, there's lots of uniformity between these things, because, well, it's the military.
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Memento posted:Got a lat/long? Looking at it in Google Earth and then comparing it to known sites is a good start, there's lots of uniformity between these things, because, well, it's the military. Found it. It isn't big at all. I was probably vague enough in my description it sounded like a complex but it isn't at all. Of course I guess it could extend further underground. It also isn't super hidden or anything, but driving past it you wouldn't think it was anything much. Again, I was just told it was a paper record depository that was only briefly used around the 50s and abandoned shortly after it was built. It certainly doesn't look military and there are no posted signs or anything. If the story is true it was probably put there by an actual civilian agency getting in on the government nuclear bunker craze of that era and not part of some actual black project or anything crazy like that. https://earth.google.com/web/search...VjAIa-O_M8REFnA Here is the sat view:  You can see the top of the small building at the entrance (the red arrow). You can also see another square shape behind and to the left of it that, from the road, looks like the barely exposed roof of an underground something. I've outlined the high, barbed-wire fence that surrounds the area. I didn't realize it extended that far back. You can see what look to be some old rusty cars parked in the back area, so obviously somebody has access which isn't surprising given it was supposedly abandoned in the late 50s/early 60s. It is curious there is almost no vegetation growing on that bare patch. Here is the street view:  Arrow on the right is the building. The arrow on the left is one of the metal ventilation pipes you can see from the road, there are a handful. So yeah, it doesn't look like much, but there is zero reason for anything in that area to have anything underground at all and also zero reason to be behind a barbed-wired fence. So maybe the record depository is bullshit, but it is something weird for the area at the very least. Edit: It certainly isn't anything built to survive any kind of blast. It's far enough out from DFW though that it wouldn't be targeted or in a blast radius. Close enough it could potentially be used for some kind of purpose like what is said about it. At the time in the 50s that would have been the only highway getting there from DFW. Also, this old base is pretty close to where it is at: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fort_Wolters Edit 2: It is interesting that the nearby base was a helicopter training school with plenty of heliports. If you needed to get out of DFW before the bombs hit I would think a helicopter would be the best way to do it and that would be where you would go so facilities like what is rumored being nearby would make sense. How would one go about researching this? D-Pad fucked around with this message at 06:21 on Sep 29, 2020 |
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Sep 29, 2020 06:12
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Bring a Geiger counter.
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Sep 29, 2020 12:12
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Carth Dookie posted:Bring a Geiger counter. I was thinking something similar. We have a mysterious underground something with pipes coming out of it on base. People are always trying to start rumors that it's a secret bunker but actually it's an old landfill full of industrial waste. I could easily see that being the site of an old landfill full of god knows what.
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Sep 29, 2020 13:01
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Leviathan Song posted:I was thinking something similar. We have a mysterious underground something with pipes coming out of it on base. People are always trying to start rumors that it's a secret bunker but actually it's an old landfill full of industrial waste. I could easily see that being the site of an old landfill full of god knows what. Landfills often have vent pipes sunk into the ground to help disperse methane and other gases that occur from decomposition.
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Sep 29, 2020 13:13
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Or, gas-powered electricity generation using captured landfill emissions
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Sep 29, 2020 13:16
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Disperse? Collect that noxious greenhouse gas and put it to good use. Even flaring it is better than letting it disperse.
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Sep 29, 2020 13:17
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My go to is wikimapia.org for that sort of thing. It’s not always on there, but if it is, it’s a good starting point for further research.
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Sep 29, 2020 15:30
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Whatever is there is likely underwater based on the flooded quarry next to it and the small deep pond across the street.
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Sep 29, 2020 15:45
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Knives Amilli posted:
I was in during the 80s and this is a pretty accurate description of the Army during that era.
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Sep 29, 2020 15:49
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MightyJoe36 posted:I was in during the 80s and this is a pretty accurate description of the Army during that era. I know a guy stationed in Germany in the late 70s and to hear him talk everyone figured that their job was just to get blown to hell to trigger WWIII, not actually accomplish anything if things kicked off.
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Sep 29, 2020 16:04
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Oh, so very similar to the Korean Speedbump that is area 1
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Sep 29, 2020 16:06
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As a civie my understanding was leadership in DOD was always trying to fight the last war due to time in service and other factors, making it hard to integrate the lessons learned on the ground into the overall doctrine. So in the 80s would the lessons learned from Vietnam have made it into how the Army approached things or was it still thinking like it was WW2 / Korea? Did Desert Storm change how GWOT went? Are we close to seeing a majority of the officers across the DOD having served the bulk of their careers in the midst of GWOT?
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Nystral posted:As a civie my understanding was leadership in DOD was always trying to fight the last war due to time in service and other factors, making it hard to integrate the lessons learned on the ground into the overall doctrine. Not exactly. Someone smarter than me will likely chime in with better info. The 80's were almost exclusively dedicated to a doctrine of "Beat Russia". Everyone was convinced of a pending conventional war in mainland Europe. Desert Storm was basically use using Cold War doctrine. During GWOT, things changed rapidly. I remember being taught one thing in garrison, then it immediately changed within a month of getting into country. In my opinion, we just got better at making changes to the organization. It was almost like we switched to an Agile model for management.
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Nystral posted:Did Desert Storm change how GWOT went? It made the brass very cognizant of the fact that the war needed to be stage managed and that Americans would definitely NOT accept mass casualties. Hence a move towards outsourcing as much of everything even remotely dangerous as they could and relying more and more on remotely directed weapons. quote:Are we close to seeing a majority of the officers across the DOD having served the bulk of their careers in the midst of GWOT? Hopefully they'll have learned that it's all a bullshit scam and not want to fight these kinds of wars anymore.
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Scratch Monkey posted:Hopefully they'll have learned that it's all a bullshit scam and not want to fight these kinds of wars anymore. Wasn't the officer corp doing GWOT/Iraq 1 the officer corp serving in Vietnam?
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Right, which is why they were so eager to have a very manicured "win". I'm hoping the staff coming up now, having served mostly in OIF/OEF, will see things better.
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Scratch Monkey posted:Right, which is why they were so eager to have a very manicured "win". I'm hoping the staff coming up now, having served mostly in OIF/OEF, will see things better. Based on what I've seen of the ones who stay in vs the ones who got out, the opposite will happen. Rage spoilers, don't hover over if you are made angry by the same poo poo I am. My old Marine CO, pre invasion who got moved because he was a moron, and XO who caused a friendly fire incident, for example, goddamned lifers, the guy who fixed their fuckups after that CO was gone and had to deal with the fratricidally stupid XO? Gone. It's ok tho, Duplesis has been promoted repeatedly, despite being a universally despised fuckwit Had to report my CO from my last deployment to the goddamned Governor (a national guard pump) because he wasn't doing his goddamned job and neither was the 1stsgt, the 1stsgt is still in and a trigger happy cop who has never been to actual war, his opinions are horrible. Oh his job btw, was training up the states first female infantry officer. Possibly the entire guards, I'm not sure. That cpt and 1stsgt were more than happy to repeatedly try to publicly emberras her rather than spend one loving minute doing actual training or instruction. Obligatory I'm the idiot for not completely severing with the military after my first enlistment.
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Notahippie posted:I know a guy stationed in Germany in the late 70s and to hear him talk everyone figured that their job was just to get blown to hell to trigger WWIII, not actually accomplish anything if things kicked off. That was the general feeling when I was in Germany in the early and mid 80s. I mean we "trained" for what was going to happen when the Red Army came through the Fulda Gap, but the general consensus was that it was going to go nuclear about 30 minutes in.
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This poo poo reminds me about hearing some eye-opening poo poo I probably wasn't supposed to while I was in Korea. Being bingo on handheld anti-air, hearing a "What missile?" when someone (8th Army?) called a certain ADA unit to see if they were tracking one of the nork missile tests... My favorite was how they were somehow going to evac the Yongsan hospital unit and patients and material to Humphreys in the middle of the blitz south, while everyone was busy blowing bridges and dropping apartment blocks like dominoes across every single thoroughfare in Seoul.
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Diarrhea Elemental posted:Being bingo on handheld anti-air, hearing a "What missile?" when someone (8th Army?) called a certain ADA unit to see if they were tracking one of the nork missile tests... If it was a shorad unit, all they’re going to be able to do with a missile test is nothing and all they’re going to be able to do with a missile attack is sound an alarm and take cover.
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MightyJoe36 posted:That was the general feeling when I was in Germany in the early and mid 80s. I mean we "trained" for what was going to happen when the Red Army came through the Fulda Gap, but the general consensus was that it was going to go nuclear about 30 minutes in. I was in Germany 89-94. I only caught the end of the Cold War. REFORGER exercises were always a big deal. Practicing mass deployments from the states while USAEUR tried to plug the Fulda Gap. I didn't really get to spend much time in Fulda, I was stationed in Nuremberg at the time. One of the missions we had was border surveillance along the Czech border. We would be on one side and would always be shadowed on the other side by whatever USSR unit was there. When everything opened up it was cool to go see areas from the other side. After Desert Storm the draw down in Germany was insane. My wife was in a Personnel unit cutting orders for all of the units disbanding. Big Army really had no idea what was going on, people were getting lost or sent to the wrong place. As far as doctrine at the time it was weird. Things were still very much geared towards conventional warfare but without a real enemy. I went to a few schools at the time and it was pretty much geared towards still fighting the Red Army.
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mlmp08 posted:If it was a shorad unit, all they’re going to be able to do with a missile test is nothing and all they’re going to be able to do with a missile attack is sound an alarm and take cover. Oh the SHORAD thing was word of mouth, but I was in the TOC when the missile call came in and watched all the Patriot guys collectively poo poo a brick.
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Desert Storm was a fluke in that the Iraqis decided to fight exactly like old Russian doctrine dictated which just so happened to be thing we were super well prepared to do.
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Scratch Monkey posted:It made the brass very cognizant of the fact that the war needed to be stage managed and that Americans would definitely NOT accept mass casualties. Turns out, actually they’re fine with it.
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drgitlin posted:Turns out, actually they’re fine with it. True, but in Desert Storm they were dealing with a pre-9/11 public that was at least slightly less drunk for blood. Even with OEF/OIF they still had to pull poo poo like the Pat Tillman coverup because accidentally shooting their golden boy and burning his gear was bad for recruiting. At least for the first few years before the daily count of "X amount killed today" faded into normal background noise.
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Wild T posted:the daily count of "X amount killed today" faded into normal background noise. I hate this part so goddamn much. Not the post or poster, just that the forever wars are background noise.
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Steezo posted:I hate this part so goddamn much. Not the post or poster, just that the forever wars are background noise. I saw someone online describe the current US military as a "peacetime" army and I wanted to scream
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canyoneer posted:I saw someone online describe the current US military as a "peacetime" army and I wanted to scream Did you online yell at them because I couldn't have resisted
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Milo and POTUS posted:Did you online yell at them because I couldn't have resisted  It was on Facebook in response to this comic, which I have to believe is satire. An Internet stranger did leave this excellent comment though Any platoon sergeant born after 1993 can't slay bodies, all they know is Fortnite, charge they phone, twerk, be bisexual, vape cotton candy and lie.
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canyoneer posted:
This guy is crying for help with family problems in the only way he knows how
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Oct 1, 2020 02:18
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...should I join the military
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Milo and POTUS posted:...should I join the military Mother, should I trust government Mother, is it just a bag of dicks Ooo, ahh, Is it just a waste of time
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canyoneer posted:I saw someone online describe the current US military as a "peacetime" army and I wanted to scream I would like to help but I'm all screamed out right now. But the lifting routine has been goin well. So I at least have that and a very fluffy cat.
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Milo and POTUS posted:...should I join the military If you want to get repeatedly hosed in the rear end by authority while living in substandard conditions and being bored out of your mind, just go work in fast food.
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Liquid Communism posted:If you want to get repeatedly hosed in the rear end by authority while living in substandard conditions and being bored out of your mind, just go work in fast food. But the forever war demands fresh fodder. Mind you, spend long enough in fastfood and even the military will start looking pretty good.
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Liquid Communism posted:If you want to get repeatedly hosed in the rear end by authority while living in substandard conditions and being bored out of your mind, just go work in fast food. You don't get negligently-substandard healthcare for life by working fast food though 
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Oct 1, 2020 15:57
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Man I love being subject to illiterate divorced emotionally stunted man children you should try it. For real a the POGest possible job in the Air Force or something like cyber would be a pretty good deal if you don’t have a lot of civilian opportunities. Just commit to being a POG, don’t ever try to “make your service count” or “get in the fight” or any dumb patriotic bullshit because you’ll find yourself doing some really stupid poo poo for some really stupid people for the exact same pay as the guy handing out towels at the gym or sleeping in the server room. Butter Activities fucked around with this message at 16:02 on Oct 1, 2020 |
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Oct 1, 2020 15:58
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Don't listen to these pussies, you should sign up to be a marine and go infantry! The military is better the second time around, just ask that one guy who did it twice.
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It’s not just a job. It’s a really easy job. Go Navy Reserve!
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