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Butterfly Valley posted:That's the best of the best air coolers and would be overkill. The NH-U12S, U14S, or Scythe Fuma 2 are good midrange options. Thanks again. Too much for my needs. I've bumped the CPU and gone for your first recommendation on the fan, so we're now at: PCPartPicker Part List CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 5600X 3.7 GHz 6-Core Processor (£311.51 @ Overclockers.co.uk) CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-U12S 55 CFM CPU Cooler (£54.98 @ CCL Computers) Motherboard: MSI MAG X570 TOMAHAWK WIFI ATX AM4 Motherboard (£193.64 @ CCL Computers) Memory: Crucial Ballistix 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory (£129.59 @ Amazon UK) Video Card: MSI Radeon RX 5500 XT 8 GB MECH OC Video Card (£184.98 @ Box Limited) Case: Fractal Design Define 7 ATX Mid Tower Case (£119.99 @ Scan.co.uk) Power Supply: Fractal Design Ion+ 760 W 80+ Platinum Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply (£120.46 @ Amazon UK) Monitor: Dell U2719D 27.0" 2560x1440 60 Hz Monitor (£339.95 @ More Computers) Monitor: Dell U2719D 27.0" 2560x1440 60 Hz Monitor (£339.95 @ More Computers) Total: £1795.05 Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-11-12 20:42 GMT+0000 Does that look good? I think i'm pretty happy with it. Are there any red flags sticking out?
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spunkshui posted:This is a bit over your price range but it does comes with 3 of those expensive fans and a box that will let you light up other corsair products like additional fans. This is so tacky and wonderful and I just ordered it. Guess that kind of changes how I'm approaching this build, but eh. It's only money. I'll post a revised parts list based on this case and the lighting after I figure out what else to get.
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TheMadMilkman posted:This is so tacky and wonderful and I just ordered it. If you end up getting more fans this is really useful for powering them all: SilverStone PWM Fan Hub System Cables, Black (CPF04) https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00VNW556I/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_fabt1_7oCRFb6J21PBM Those 3 packs of glowing fans go on sale sometimes. You want LL120s to match. QL fans have even more LEDs somehow. (Def not needed) Esit: my wife’s case is not tacky, 
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Catalina posted:Hi! This is my first time building a PC, I'm happy to find this thread. In the past, I've upgraded parts before: Sound cards (this was 2003), video cards, RAM and PSU's. I was always intimidated by motherboards and CPU's, but after reading this thread and seeing some guides, I'm a lot more confident, so thanks for this! It seems like you did your research, those are some good picks in my opinion. The only thing is that the gtx 1660 super might age faster than the rest of your build, but it is one of the best price/performance ratios. I'm actually running my OS off of a 500GB external SSD connected to a USB 3.1 port as I type this. I benchmarked this drive at around 220MB/s last I checked. I can confirm that it works well and you shouldn't have issues using an external drive via USB as a boot drive. When you finally buy an internal drive, you should consider buying an NVMe to put into your M.2 slot. They are performant and already fairly cheap, and they should be even cheaper and more efficient next year when the new phison controller tech hits the market.
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The Gadfly posted:It seems like you did your research, those are some good picks in my opinion. The only thing is that the gtx 1660 super might age faster than the rest of your build, but it is one of the best price/performance ratios. Thank you very much! I agree about the graphics card aging, that's basically there to get something good in the box since I'm wanting to go ahead and build the computer over the next few months. It seems like it's a weird time to buy GPU's, from what I can tell, the newest generations just came out, but there are shortages both those as well as for current gen GPU's that are driving the prices up to much higher than they would be. I'm upgrading from a NVIDIA GeForce GT 545, so I know I'll definitely be happy with a GTX 1660 Super or Ti in the $250-ish. Thanks for the advice on the internal drive, too! I'm really excited to make the jump from a HDD to a SSD, I love seeing hardware jumps in performance.
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Just finished putting my computer together with a way overkill nh-d15 with 1 fan in a p400a case and it's scary how quiet this thing is. I can have my ear up to the side of the case and fill not hear anything over the ambient noises of my apartment. Was worried at first I had an issue but just had to update the bios to get windows to install even though the b550 tomahawk recognized the 5600x.
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Catalina posted:Thanks for the advice on the internal drive, too! I'm really excited to make the jump from a HDD to a SSD, I love seeing hardware jumps in performance. No problem! Oh, and just make sure you use a USB 3 cable with your external SSD. I accidentally plugged in an older usb cable and was in for a terrible surprise the first time I ran the benchmark 
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spunkshui posted:Esit: my wife’s case is not tacky, That depends. Did she get the light up RAM? I’m irrationally excited for this thing. It’s so silly and fun looking.
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TheMadMilkman posted:That depends. Did she get the light up RAM? Of course not, the D15 needs low profile ram. Its a great case if you want to show off front glowing fans but still want air to enter the computer. The only negative is its highly likely you will end up shelling out for 3 more of those fans like I did but shes really happy. Both of us actually had no LEDs in our cases before covid but it turns out this is a good time to get into RGB. Then fans look way nicer then the light up fans did back in the day. Corsair's software seems to be one of the better ones but it was buggy at first. cross posting from the GPU thread: how to organize 3 gpu power cables.  Now if only I could buy the drat new gpus lol
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Is it bad that I'm still using a wired 360 pad with my PC?? I was getting annoyed at how buggy the menus are in wreckfest when using a controller and then remembered that I'm using a 9 year old controller that's soon to be 2 generations behind and thought maybe that had something to do with it
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A few sites in my region (Japan) including Amazon are listing the MSI 3080 cards as coming back in stock tomorrow. I got an order in and am cautiously optimistic.
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FlamingLiberal posted:They were very very briefly on Amazon this afternoon but I couldn't check out fast enough I'm not sure how but I somehow locked an order in for like 100$ below MSRP. Crossing all the fingers right now. Also my 5600X arrived!
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TheMadMilkman posted:This is so tacky and wonderful and I just ordered it. This is why my Meshify C in white has SO MANY rgb fans. Yes I'm an old goon but all the rgb dammit.
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Wowporn posted:Is it bad that I'm still using a wired 360 pad with my PC?? I was getting annoyed at how buggy the menus are in wreckfest when using a controller and then remembered that I'm using a 9 year old controller that's soon to be 2 generations behind and thought maybe that had something to do with it Nah, it's all xinput. Either the game has poor controller support or your controller could use a spot of maintenance, and probably and the former.
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Wowporn posted:Is it bad that I'm still using a wired 360 pad with my PC?? I was getting annoyed at how buggy the menus are in wreckfest when using a controller and then remembered that I'm using a 9 year old controller that's soon to be 2 generations behind and thought maybe that had something to do with it Used PS4 controllers are everywhere, really good, and have native Windows support. The prices will start dropping with the PS5, too!
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Some Goon posted:Nah, it's all xinput. Either the game has poor controller support or your controller could use a spot of maintenance, and probably and the former. to be fair to the latter, I went through 2 PS3 controllers on my PC before I realized the lovely knockoffs I was buying weren't going to cut it.
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Toxic Fart Syndrome posted:Used PS4 controllers are everywhere, really good, and have native Windows support. The prices will start dropping with the PS5, too! I have a DS4 I use with some games (that PlayStation muscle memory was important when playing the tony hawk remakes) and I feel like at least half the games I try it with I have some sort of issue that makes me switch back to the 360 controller. Maybe my Bluetooth dongle just sucks? I always just assumed it would always be wonkier than using something directly from Microsoft. More directly related to hardware, I keep looking at bundles at micro center with a ryzen 3600 and motherboard for the same price as just the 5600x alone and it’s really appealing. If I’m targeting 1440p 144hz am I kneecapping myself by doing that? I’m sure it will still be a very big step forward from my current PC but I don’t wanna start out the gate a big step behind where I could be.
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Wowporn posted:I have a DS4 I use with some games (that PlayStation muscle memory was important when playing the tony hawk remakes) and I feel like at least half the games I try it with I have some sort of issue that makes me switch back to the 360 controller. Maybe my Bluetooth dongle just sucks? I always just assumed it would always be wonkier than using something directly from Microsoft. It's a ~20% improvement. In titles where the 3600 gets 120fps it'll do all 144. In ones where the 3600 gets 144fps it'll do 144 too, since that's where the monitor tops out. If that's worth it to you, go for it, otherwise the perf/$ isn't favorable.
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Wowporn posted:I have a DS4 I use with some games (that PlayStation muscle memory was important when playing the tony hawk remakes) and I feel like at least half the games I try it with I have some sort of issue that makes me switch back to the 360 controller. Maybe my Bluetooth dongle just sucks? I always just assumed it would always be wonkier than using something directly from Microsoft. The biggest issue is that while a XBox controller gets recognized as an XBox controller and everything works the way you'd think, a DS4 controller gets detected by Windows as a generic gamepad. Steam tries to help out there a bit, but it's a not nearly the clean process that it is with an XBox controller, unfortnately.
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Wowporn posted:I have a DS4 I use with some games (that PlayStation muscle memory was important when playing the tony hawk remakes) and I feel like at least half the games I try it with I have some sort of issue that makes me switch back to the 360 controller. Maybe my Bluetooth dongle just sucks? I always just assumed it would always be wonkier than using something directly from Microsoft. Nah, It Just Works better with an xbox controller. If you're getting a controller just for pc gaming there is absolutely no reason to get a PS controller over an Xbox one unless you are getting a great deal or are morally opposed to one or something. I fuckin hate fiddling with settings and third party drivers and making sure the buttons are mapped the right way and poo poo.
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Buy the replacement warranty for a few bucks if you're buying the XB1 controller at your local best buy or something. They're great controllers, but the long term reliability is shockingly poor. Mine gave up the ghost after a year and a half of very occasional use, a buddy of mine goes through them annually (but he does all his gaming on an xbox). Whats even sadder is that the Xbox Elite controller (which was like $150) had poor reliability too, and until recently, only came with a 90 day warranty. e: what im trying to say is, absolutely get an xbox controller for PC. its amazing in the sense that it always Just Works, but if you can get a 3 year warranty or something for a few dollars, do it. buglord fucked around with this message at 08:29 on Nov 13, 2020 |
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Has anyone found a good resource for memory compatibility with Zen 3 yet? AMD has a list up themselves, but both the motherboards I'm looking at (Asus B550-F and MSI Gaming Edge) either list no compatible 2x16gb 3600 memory or list only the ultra expensive kits in the 300$ and up range. I've seen some posts on Reddit of people claiming to have a lot of difficulties getting their systems to boot with ram clocked to 3600. Checking G.skill's site, they only list 3600 C18 as compatible (was hoping for C16) for both motherboards. I know I could just go with some cheaper 3200 C16 ram but the big people on YouTube keep saying 3600 is the sweet spot. edit: MSI's website doesn't seem to have a list for Ryzen 5000 compatibility yet... Pegnose Pete fucked around with this message at 09:09 on Nov 13, 2020 |
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Pegnose Pete posted:Has anyone found a good resource for memory compatibility with Zen 3 yet? I'm pretty sure the difference between 3200 and 3600 is negligible and you will get more out of a lower CAS than higher clock frequency. The next big shift will be the next DDR upgrade, but that is still a while off. As for compatability, if you don't want to search through your mobo's QVL, PCPartsPicker is good for that. Just go to your motherboard and search for compatible memory!  https://pcpartpicker.com/products/memory/?compatible_with=JXBhP6#S=3600,5100&L=30,160&sort=price&page=1 https://pcpartpicker.com/products/memory/?compatible_with=2f4BD3#S=3600,5100&L=30,160&sort=price&page=1
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So here is my modified list PCPartPicker Part List CPU: AMD Ryzen 9 5900X 3.7 GHz 12-Core Processor (£571.51 @ Overclockers.co.uk) CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D15 82.5 CFM CPU Cooler (£79.99 @ CCL Computers) Motherboard: MSI MAG B550 TOMAHAWK ATX AM4 Motherboard (£159.95 @ AWD-IT) Memory: Corsair Vengeance LPX 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3600 CL18 Memory (£129.52 @ Box Limited) Storage: Western Digital Blue SN550 1 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive (£89.89 @ CCL Computers) Storage: Western Digital Blue 2 TB 3.5" 5400RPM Internal Hard Drive (£49.37 @ Amazon UK) Video Card: NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3080 10 GB Founders Edition Video Card Case: Fractal Design Define 7 ATX Mid Tower Case (£119.99 @ Scan.co.uk) Power Supply: Gigabyte P GM 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply (£83.66 @ CCL Computers) Total: £1283.88 Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-11-13 09:20 GMT+0000 switched from 850 -> 750 w psu saved quite a lot. Will it be easy to slot another nvme drive in if / when I need it later or should I add it now?
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Toxic Fart Syndrome posted:I'm pretty sure the difference between 3200 and 3600 is negligible and you will get more out of a lower CAS than higher clock frequency. The next big shift will be the next DDR upgrade, but that is still a while off. I didn't know you could use PC Parts picker like that, thanks! The forum and reddit posts I saw showed some people having problems specifically with Ryzen 5000 chips though when things were working fine on 3000. Hopefully that's not a widespread thing.
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Is it worth upgrading from the “stealth” stock cooler on the Ryzen 5 3600? It doesn’t look like overclock works well on the normal 3600 and my average die temps are 50 idle, 77 under load (3D Mark) The cut off for this cpu looks to be 95, but I don’t know when it starts to throttle down. If its around 80 then i can see a bigger cooler being worthwhile, otherwise its a waste of money / shiny pc bling.
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sean10mm posted:I think it's just early BIOS weirdness since zen 3 has the same memory controller as zen 2. That's good to know. There are some domestic PC shops in Japan that I can order ram from for cheaper than Amazon, but they don't offer returns if it's not compatible. Going through Amazon would be safest but the selection is limited. I can do a 16gb x 2 3200C16 Crucial vengeance kit for 130$, but stepping up to 3600C16 means getting the Trident Neos for 90$ more. At that price I really don't think it's worth it. Since I'm ordering a RTX 3080, I don't know if the 5fps or whatever gained from the ram kit upgrade will be that noticeable. My monitor does 165hz.
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Solly posted:Is it worth upgrading from the “stealth” stock cooler on the Ryzen 5 3600? Short answer is it's probably fine if the noise isn't bothering you. But 3dmark isn't a CPU stress test at all. It's almost all GPU, and the CPU test portion is too short to really strain anything.
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Solly posted:Is it worth upgrading from the “stealth” stock cooler on the Ryzen 5 3600? Are those temps with overclocks or stock? Mine idles under 40 and hasn't gone above 65 in any benchmark tool yet with the stock cooler. I'd check if it's installed evenly, and mess around with the power plan settings if those are stock numbers. The Wraith Stealth is kind of loud, though, I think it typically runs at 100% no matter what if you don't mess with fan curves.
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change my name posted:Are those temps with overclocks or stock? Mine idles under 40 and hasn't gone above 65 in any benchmark tool yet with the stock cooler. I'd check if it's installed evenly, and mess around with the power plan settings if those are stock numbers. Stock temps, but i run it on performance power mode so its mostly at 4.2. I did a decent job of fitting the cooler. Have even had it off and redone it once to check as it does run warm.
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This is my second ryzen processor and I bought a cooler this time. Partly just to do it, I've always used stock, but also because yeah I've had a Ryzen 2600 stock cooler since 2018 and I would like to reduce the amount of jet engine noise coming from my PC. In fact I'm going whole hog and putting in an Accelero Extreme IV on my 2080ti at the same time to really sink my temps & noise.
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Reviewing the PC I just built for myself!  CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 5800X 3.8 GHz 8-Core Processor Stock, this thing is hot as balls under stress testing even with the NH-U14S (see below). 105W TDP is nothing crazy on paper, but running Prime95 small FFT gets it all the way up to 86C. This is an unrealistic torture test, and the temp itself is in no way dangerous, but it's worse than you'd expect for that cooler vs. that TDP, and the CPU cooler makes a fair amount of noise at those temps. This experience seems common with 5800X users, and seems to be down to the fact that it has all 8 cores in a single CCX that just struggles to physically move the heat out of a tiny surface area in the first place. One fun thing I tried is reducing the PPT (package power tracking, the maximum power that's supposed to be delivered to the socket) from 142W to 120W using Precision Boost Overdrive to... the opposite of Overdrive... it. P95 small FFT temp: 86C to 76C Cinebench R20 multicore: <2% lower Cinebench R20 single core: unchanged Time Spy CPU score & overall score: unchanged CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-U14S 82.52 CFM CPU Cooler ($63.75 @ Amazon) The mounting system on this looks very sturdy and is super easy to use. I already noted the temperature issues, but with stories of people getting 80C+ with this chip using even bigger heat sinks and AIOs I don't think it's really down to the cooler. I don't think I'd want to use anything much smaller with this though. With the PPT turned down it runs very quiet. Motherboard: Gigabyte B550 AORUS PRO ATX AM4 Motherboard ($169.99 @ Amazon) This has been a gem. Everything worked exactly like it was supposed to, Q flash plus let me update to the F11 BIOS for Zen 3 no sweat. XMP worked no fuss. Default fan profiles are loud as balls, but the fan control is great on this board and almost has too many options, so that just took a few clicks to fix One oddity: my keyboard and mouse acted weird before/during Windows install until I moved them to the blue USB ports on the back.  Memory: Crucial Ballistix 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3600 CL16 Memory ($149.99 @ B&H) Just plug and play, turn on XMP and get 3600 CL16 1T. No complaints. Storage: SK hynix Gold P31 1 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive ($134.99 @ Amazon) Holy shitballs this is fast, like noticeably faster than my older SATA SSD. I honestly didn't expect that much of a difference in day to day use. People coming from something newer than my 240 GB bargain SSD might not see it though. Video Card: Asus GeForce RTX 3070 8 GB DUAL OC Video Card For being an entry level 3070 this sure wants to boost like mad... and get hot and spin the fans up really loud. Undervolting to 850mv plus memory OC got it much cooler and quieter while scoring the same on Time Spy as stock. If every 3070 was in stock I'd get the TUF instead of this one, but with minor tweaking I'm good with it. Case: Fractal Design Meshify C ATX Mid Tower Case ($66.98 @ Newegg) It's great. Modern airflow and cable management are amazing coming from an older case with 8 drive cages in the way of everything and nowhere to route cables behind the mobo. Power Supply: SeaSonic FOCUS 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply It works, it's quiet, some of the cables are a little stiff but nothing stupid. Case Fan: Noctua P14s redux-1200 64.92 CFM 140 mm Fan Case Fan: Noctua P14s redux-1200 64.92 CFM 140 mm Fan I have the fan curves to run at 40% most of the time and they're very quiet. Seem like a nice balance of noise vs. airflow. --- So what would I do differently? Well ideally I'd have gotten one of the bigger 3 fan 3070 models like the TUF, but I was lucky to get any 3070 at all so I'm fine with the Dual with the tweaks I've done to it. Maybe I'd try different CPU cooling, but I don't know what practical difference it would have made. I like the look of the Meshify C and this system is fast as hell so overall I'm 
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My current rig largely dates from 2013, with an i5 3570k and 8gb ram. My video card is newer, a GTX 1070, and my monitor is much older, from 2008. So hopefully that explains some of my choices here. It feels a touch like a midlife crisis but I want shiny things. Does any of this look insanely stupid? Country: USA System is for: Primarily gaming. I also do graphic design and coding, working from home. Budget: No set number, nothing insane. Let's say $1000 plus monitor. Helps that I'm not getting a video card. PCPartPicker Part List CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 5600X 3.7 GHz 6-Core Processor CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($34.99 @ Amazon) Motherboard: Asus ROG STRIX B550-F GAMING (WI-FI) ATX AM4 Motherboard ($204.99 @ Newegg) Memory: Corsair Vengeance RGB Pro 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory ($142.99 @ Amazon) Video Card: MSI GeForce GTX 1070 8 GB GAMING X Video Card (Purchased For $0.00) Case: Thermaltake View 71 TG RGB ATX Full Tower Case ($199.99 @ Amazon) Power Supply: Corsair RM (2019) 850 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply ($154.99 @ Corsair) Monitor: Asus ROG Strix XG279Q 27.0" 2560x1440 170 Hz Monitor ($647.90 @ Amazon) Total: $1385.85
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