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DeathChicken posted:It's unfortunate he wasn't around for longer because holy poo poo, Matt Borne in full Doink makeup could convey that he wanted to murder you with his expression Plus, Borne actually had good matches. Granted, his hits include Perfect, Jannetty, and Bret, but still.
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Red posted:Plus, Borne actually had good matches. Granted, his hits include Perfect, Jannetty, and Bret, but still.
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Nov 25, 2020 07:18
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Man 14 year old me didn't pick up on any of this poo poo at all.
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Generational/Legacy Character chat, combined with the Black Tiger chat, leads me to this thought: Tiger Mask IV is getting up there in years. He’s a perfectly fine elder-statesman for the Juniors, but he never seems to have risen to the position of importance that the previous Tiger Masks did (either in-gimmick or otherwise). Wikipedia tells me there’s already a Tiger Mask V, but that doesn’t seem to be an active gimmick, and Tiger Mask W was a brief tie-in played by Ibushi that’s since been dropped. There’s also something called “Shinsetsu Tiger Mask” that Sayama debuted in 2018 but I’ve never heard anything about that character. Point is, let’s say IV retires soon, and the gimmick stays in NJPW; do you see it continuing on as a legacy character? If so, any picks for who dons the mask? Dunno how viable it would be, but it could be a good way to get Wato back on track if the WAY TO GRANDMASTER MASTER WATO stuff doesn’t work out...
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GEORGE W BUSHI posted:Nosawa was still doing the Black Tiger gimmick in AJPW until recently when he started focusing on NOAH. takaiwa's also done the gimmick in all japan in recent years. BodyMassageMachine posted:Generational/Legacy Character chat, combined with the Black Tiger chat, leads me to this thought: TMIV hasn't wrestled since covid due to diverticulitis tho he''s healthy enough to hang around the dojo. lot of people thought sho or yoh might've been the next real new japan tiger mask but that obv didn't happen. only real potential among the current roster unless you'd regimmick someone would be uemura and he's bulking up enough to be a heavy. my guess is that it's dropped tho i'd love to be wrong
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BodyMassageMachine posted:Generational/Legacy Character chat, combined with the Black Tiger chat, leads me to this thought: personally, i'd give it to a random young lion and not tell anyone who it is
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Nov 25, 2020 17:26
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Sign one of the zillion great Juniors floating around the indies and hand it to them
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Nov 25, 2020 17:55
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Let Kota wrestle as Tiger Mask W again and also wrestle as Kota
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Nov 25, 2020 18:03
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And then book Kota vs Tiger Mask W
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Make them play the mirror spot completely straight and you've got yourself a deal
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I wouldn't be totally surprised to see someone from whatever the next back of Young Lions is take the mask. I think this current crop is becoming favorites already and might do a disservice to them to put them under a mask like that? Though, I dunno. I don't know what it was like for other Tiger Masks. Did they all do young boy stuff until excursion, then became Tiger Mask?
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Ganso Bomb posted:I wouldn't be totally surprised to see someone from whatever the next back of Young Lions is take the mask. I think this current crop is becoming favorites already and might do a disservice to them to put them under a mask like that? Based on my reading/understanding, the general process for Tiger Mask has been thus: 1) NJPW’s tie-in with the anime happens, Satoru Sayama gets put under the mask and is successful for a few years until his departure for UWF. 2) AJPW gets the license for the character and Misawa gets slotted in. Misawa is a big success as TM but drops it after a few years. 3) Back to NJPW, Koji Kanemoto gets the gimmick for a bit but drops it after a year or so. 4) Yoshihiro Yamazaki gets hand-picked for the gimmick by Sayama, bops about in Michinoku Pro until bringing the gimmick back to NJPW. He’s been TMIV ever since. 5/Shinsetsu seem to be outliers in that they’re newer wrestlers that were tapped to be “Tiger Mask” that didn’t really go anywhere. And W obviously was a brief tie-in that wasn’t about to derail Kota Ibushi being Kota Ibushi. So while 4/5/Shinsetsu are kind of templates for a Young Lion getting the gimmick, the rest were all established guys (or at least became bigger deals sans gimmick). So it could go either way, if at all. I don’t see someone super-well established taking on the gimmick fulltime (like Ibushi), so my guess is either a Young Lion they have a LOT of faith in, or they shelve the gimmick until another new anime tie-in happens.
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Just give it to me. I'm already old and had a lot of fun in Japan and I have 4 cats, nobody is going to be a better fit to be Tiger Mask than me.
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Ganso Bomb posted:Just give it to me. I'm already old and had a lot of fun in Japan and I have 4 cats, nobody is going to be a better fit to be Tiger Mask than me. How's your tiger suplex
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El Gallinero Gros posted:How's your tiger suplex Let me get back to you on this
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ChrisBTY posted:Man 14 year old me didn't pick up on any of this poo poo at all. Same. Wrestling with Wregret just did a video on Survivor Series 1993, the one that had a whole bunch of replacements on the card, and pointed out that Doink does a promo both before and after the "Four Doinks" match on the big screen. The first time, it's Matt Bourne, taped before he got let go. The second one is the new Doink. I never realized the difference, but it's apparently really jarring if you know about the change.
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Gavok posted:Same. Wrestling with Wregret just did a video on Survivor Series 1993, the one that had a whole bunch of replacements on the card, and pointed out that Doink does a promo both before and after the "Four Doinks" match on the big screen. The first time, it's Matt Bourne, taped before he got let go. The second one is the new Doink. Doink was a good idea that was booked... not very well. Feuding with Crush wasn't going to help anyone. Then again, maybe even Evil Doink probably had a low ceiling. Was it SummerSlam '93 where Bret and Lawler did their thing, and Doink was the distraction match to allow Lawler the cheap shot with the crutch? That entire thing was booked so perfectly (except for Bret getting hurt). There's a spot where Doink goes for his Whoopie Cushion (flying butt splash), and lands nut-first on Bret's knees. I have no idea how you do that one without just taking it.
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El Gallinero Gros posted:How's your tiger suplex listen if it doesn't work out i can reach out to people and he can be Giant Tiger II.
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What's the background to Cody's "gently caress on you" soundbite?
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Saul Goode posted:What's the background to Cody's "gently caress on you" soundbite? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eOm_a8XcYsk&t=6s The story in full (it's pretty funny)
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El Gallinero Gros posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eOm_a8XcYsk&t=6s the match in question if anyone wants to see it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ccKw-IbeVQ
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Lamuella posted:the match in question if anyone wants to see it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ccKw-IbeVQ There's a botchamania that syncs up the story like it's commentary and it's very good.
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lopes gay, so what?
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Admiral Joeslop posted:
Glad that youth hosteling with Chris Eubanks gets a mention
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I watched a bunch of heel Doink matches a while back and aside from the in ring stuff, they really illustrate the decline in quality from Heenan to Lawler on commentary. Heenan is like "yeah I'm a heel, but this guy terrifies me. He's dangerous." Whereas Lawler is cackling and going "Mean clown, yay!" Heenan's reaction to Doink really sold him as something uniquely threatening.
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So I never really got Doink. Like 'oh no an evil clown how terrible and original'. But the way you folk are explaining it makes me understand why people here keep putting one (or more) in their TEW games. Some maybe I'll put a Doink in my game. But I don't know who Doink should be. They should be good at playing offbeat/unstable characters but there are only so many of those performers...who could fit the bill...who I ask you?  ....hmmmmm.
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Clown Ni Nare
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Heenan also had this really fun running gag on commentary where he could almost identify Matt Borne under the Doink makeup, but could never quite make it click. "I've seen the way this guy moves, why can't I remember?"
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Yeah, Heenan's whole "I definitely know this guy" thing was very entertaining as well. I didn't fully appreciate Doink as a kid, but watching his stuff later on it's very compelling.
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Seams posted:Heenan was so good. Makes me sad. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=afNOqwJrT8s
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ChrisBTY posted:So I never really got Doink. Like 'oh no an evil clown how terrible and original'. But the way you folk are explaining it makes me understand why people here keep putting one (or more) in their TEW games. Some maybe I'll put a Doink in my game. But I don't know who Doink should be. They should be good at playing offbeat/unstable characters but there are only so many of those performers...who could fit the bill...who I ask you? I wanna know how they decided that Minoru Suzuki is a people person. Unless they mean murdering people, that is.
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Zombie Lemur posted:I watched a bunch of heel Doink matches a while back and aside from the in ring stuff, they really illustrate the decline in quality from Heenan to Lawler on commentary. I have recently rewatched basically every thing WWE from my childhood and Lawler is one of the consistently worst parts of the entire product and it's a heavy contrast to JR being at the very top of his game. Even so there are moments where Lawler is great and the chemistry between him and JR works magically and him getting his comeuppance, being distraught at the heels having been foiled, and JR breaking Neutrality and rubbing it in to King is still very satisfying. At the very least it's not nearly as bad as Heel Cole or the few times I've had the misfortune of listening to Corey Graves.
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Answers Me posted:Is current WWE really the company's nadir? Because I'm working my way through the Worst Gimmick Tournament thread and the mid-2000s seems way worse. I thought it was the 90s between Hulkamania and Attitude eras
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Yeah, the New Generation Era was pretty loving dire. But then again right now might be worse because back then they at least had the ability to recognize that something wasn't working and course correct.
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Answers Me posted:Is current WWE really the company's nadir? Because I'm working my way through the Worst Gimmick Tournament thread and the mid-2000s seems way worse. 1) The Attitude Era stars they were using as crutches were ten years younger and while it was still annoying to see them plow through young up and comers, it wasn't quite as much of a sad self-parody. 2) The dogshit midcard booking was largely being inflicted on like The Highlanders and Deuce and Domino and Kevin Thornn and Ricky O and Kenzo Suzuki, not some of the generation's best wrestlers like it has been over the past several years. There were still tons of squandered talents in mid 2000s WWE (young and old), but it wasn't a company that you could look at on paper and credibly say has one of the greatest collections of talent any company in history has had under contract. Turning chicken salad into chicken poo poo is somehow less depressing than turning like the cure for polio into a pile of chicken poo poo. I think it's #2 (and probably recency bias, honestly) that makes people say right now is the nadir versus the mid 2000s (or even the New Generation, which you can kinda sorta blame on external factors).
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