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LibCrusher posted:I’m going with deep state antifa Clinton assassination Yep. Antifa brought it down by hitting it with cans of soup. Surface to Air Campbell's.
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bennyfactor posted:So in a hostile scenario, would Apaches have to be escorted by a Kiowa or a Huey or some other helicopter with wirecutter blades on it if they were going to run a river like this, or is it just prohibited entirely? The latter seems like it would make this a pointless bit of training. All the Army’s aircraft have WSPS cutters on them. The risk discussion above is basically it; a LSCO fight is going to involve detailed map recon, intel hazard planning, SEAD fires, EM and EW considerations all of which will shape the route. Deep area RW attack/recon ops movements will look more like two guys sprinting from tree to tree than the constant airspeed flying were used to seeing. No helicopters plan to fly into wires, WSPS is a last ditch effort to make the aircraft more survivable than it would be without it. NOE training stateside relies on detailed hazard maps in the training area and still involves pilot vigilance for obstacle scanning and people still hit stuff once in a while. Kiowas are out of the inventory and the army doesn’t fly Hueys in combat anymore. Fun fact: In (Army) flight school when you make your map book they force you to write “ALL ROADS HAVE WIRES” on the outside. brains posted:edit: i remembered incorrectly, they actually used MH-53 PAVE LOWs as pathfinders in that particular mission because NVG and nav tech was piss poor in stock apaches at the time, but the point stands. You can't use radio nav in the enemy's territory, and when that territory is a vast featureless desert navigation by pilotage/dead reckoning is risky. There were few conventional force aircraft with GPS at the time (64As initially only had doppler/INU nav) so the route was led by a SOCOM MH-53 which did have GPS. Ambihelical Hexnut fucked around with this message at 20:22 on Jan 11, 2021 |
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Jan 11, 2021 18:33
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Valt posted:Looks like a citation went down in oregon. Aw man this happened in the area I used to work at Seattle Center. Knew something was very wrong when the video started with a low altitude alert over Mt. Hood, usually departures cleared that easily.
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Jan 11, 2021 19:30
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azflyboy posted:Yep. Antifa brought it down by hitting it with cans of soup. Surface to Air Campbell's. 
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Jan 11, 2021 19:38
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azflyboy posted:"If it's not Boeing, I'm not going*" It’s 1 billion less than the Airbus settlement. It’s cheaper to fraud your way to certify a lovely plane and cause 2 crash than to get caught bribing to sell some safe planes.
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Jan 11, 2021 22:05
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Ambihelical Hexnut posted:You can't use radio nav in the enemy's territory, and when that territory is a vast featureless desert navigation by pilotage/dead reckoning is risky. There were few conventional force aircraft with GPS at the time (64As initially only had doppler/INU nav) so the route was led by a SOCOM MH-53 which did have GPS. yeah, that's what i was getting at. low illum desert at night with cold-war era night vision systems, no nav aids, plus GPS was brand new tech not fielded to most line units yet. it was borne out of lessons learned post-Eagle Claw, and vastly increased the odds of mission success given the equipment and platforms available at the time. modern D/E model apaches have vastly better sensors and navigation, so in a similar situation today they would likely not use pathfinding aircraft.
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Modern MTADS/MPNVS is awesome. My first deployment our Ds had legacy (A model) flir which is like when you read about a blind guy who had an experimental brain surgery to graft a 16x16 black and white camera into his brain and he learns how to get around with it, then you make him fly a helicopter.
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Jan 11, 2021 22:21
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Ambihelical Hexnut posted:Fun fact: In (Army) flight school when you make your map book they force you to write “ALL ROADS HAVE WIRES” on the outside. And pray tell how much did the crayons used for this cost the US taxpayers? Couldn’t even use the same ones that they use for Marine chow I bet. Typical military bidding process. 
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Jan 11, 2021 23:39
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Ambihelical Hexnut posted:Modern MTADS/MPNVS is awesome. My first deployment our Ds had legacy (A model) flir which is like when you read about a blind guy who had an experimental brain surgery to graft a 16x16 black and white camera into his brain and he learns how to get around with it, then you make him fly a helicopter. And even the top of the line on apaches doesnt TOUCH what’s deployed on dedicated ISR platforms.
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Jan 11, 2021 23:40
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Warbird posted:And pray tell how much did the crayons used for this cost the US taxpayers? Couldn’t even use the same ones that they use for Marine chow I bet. Typical military bidding process. i'm pretty sure the niche industry for flight school student supplies directly employs a significant number of people in southern alabama.
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Jan 11, 2021 23:48
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I think The Hangar is #2 behind Waffle House.
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Jan 11, 2021 23:55
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Ola posted:I'll kick off the speculation show with hypoxia. Seems about right to me. The pilot already sounded a little out of it in the initial radio calls down at 13-14k, which is high enough to need oxygen if there's no pressurization. 
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Jan 12, 2021 00:16
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brains posted:i'm pretty sure the niche industry for flight school student supplies directly employs a significant number of people in southern alabama. There’s an industrial market for
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Jan 12, 2021 00:19
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brains posted:i'm pretty sure the niche industry for flight school student supplies directly employs a significant number of people in southern alabama. Oh it does but not as much as you’d think. Peanuts are still king down that way.
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Jan 12, 2021 00:38
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Warbird posted:Oh it does but not as much as you’d think. Peanuts are still king down that way. Thank you, blessed boll weevil.
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Jan 12, 2021 00:44
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Phanatic posted:Thank you, blessed boll weevil. i'll never not lol at the statue.
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Jan 12, 2021 00:46
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brains posted:fun to fly, but requires meticulous route reconnaissance beforehand or it's incredibly dangerous. rivers like that have tons of unmarked wires strung across them, and usually below the treeline so they are near-invisible. any river segments we were cleared to fly had specific entry and exit points and had to be cleared by safety at periodic intervals. meticulous route recon, you say? Not in a Hind: https://i.imgur.com/2wSdOc6.mp4 https://i.imgur.com/Y3IQXHu.mp4
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Jan 12, 2021 05:15
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brains posted:i'll never not lol at the statue. That thing did my brain in, visiting it on the way to Gulf Shores. Mind-altering substances should enhance the effect of statuary, not make me itchy as poo poo. Also the point, as a North Alabamian, where I looked around and thought, "These fuckers just get weirder the farther South you go. Oh." Come to think of it, I might be remembering an entirely different big weevil statue. As you do.
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Jan 12, 2021 05:19
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brains posted:i'll never not steal the statue.
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Jan 12, 2021 05:25
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BIG HEADLINE posted:And some super-low Apaches for good measure: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rjgVps3DLWE Why aren't the apaches creating any rotor wash on the surface of the water? Does that only happen in hover?
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Jan 12, 2021 08:26
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How many of you Helicopter Fans have read Chickenhawk?
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I would blow Dane Cook posted:How many of you Helicopter Fans have read Chickenhawk? That book ended up costing me $70.000
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It's a good book. Friend lent me it and insisted I read it, had never heard of it before.
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ImplicitAssembler posted:That book ended up costing me $70.000  
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Jan 12, 2021 10:58
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NightGyr posted:Why aren't the apaches creating any rotor wash on the surface of the water? Does that only happen in hover? They certainly are, it’s just kinda hard to see in that video. Best view is after the second bird passes the camera, you can see it towards the right of the frame.
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Jan 12, 2021 15:58
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I would blow Dane Cook posted:How many of you Helicopter Fans have read Chickenhawk? One of the best books on the subject. His description of his early flight training in the Sikorsky S-55 was riveting, and at times hilarious, before he became a swayve and debonner aviator
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Jan 12, 2021 18:04
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whoops, something might have finally caught up with our pal Jerry
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Jimmy Carter posted:whoops, something might have finally caught up with our pal Jerry Hope somebody archived all the best bits.
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Jerry does not seem like the kind of person to independently realize what he's been doing and delete all his content, so I bet he did get a letter from the FSDO. Which probably means they have copied everything they need.
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Those drat liburals have gone too far this time! Time to set a notice on that twitter account that tracks his flights. I'm curious if he got his license pulled.
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His last flight was 2 days ago according to the Twitter https://twitter.com/jerrysafety/status/1348390597963472899?s=21
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and not a single tear was shed On another note in another thread the subject of Kai Tak airport came up (by me, because I mentioned it) and I'm looking for a really good video I watched a few years back about that approach. I think it had a mix of in-cockpit and external footage so you could see just how ridiculous "fly at mountain, turn right, pray you can land it before putting it in the harbor" was. Anyone know of a good one on this? I found some stuff on Youtube but it's not quite what I remember.
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FuturePastNow posted:meticulous route recon, you say? Now that's some convenient cupholder locating
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Jimmy Carter posted:whoops, something might have finally caught up with our pal Jerry Who wants to place bets on the fact that he is probably a huge loving chud and stormed the capitol.
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Valt posted:Who wants to place bets on the fact that he is probably a huge loving chud and stormed the capitol. This was my first thought.
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Jan 13, 2021 00:47
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Valt posted:Who wants to place bets on the fact that he is probably a huge loving chud and stormed the capitol. While that seems quite likely, I'm not sure how that would do anything to his yt channel.
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CBJamo posted:While that seems quite likely, I'm not sure how that would do anything to his yt channel. Maybe he is just mad at "big tech"?
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Jan 13, 2021 01:23
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CBJamo posted:While that seems quite likely, I'm not sure how that would do anything to his yt channel. he probably just purgin everything if that's the case
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Jan 13, 2021 01:24
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He probably was flying directly at the washington monument while setting up for his base turn to land at Reagan.
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Jerry crashing into the Capitol and no one is sure if it's intentional or accidental.
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