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Yossarian-22 posted:the 18th brumaire of louis bonaparte was explicitly written because marx became disillusioned with bourgeois elections after the fact the speech i linked was given 20 years after he wrote that
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NaanViolence posted:Yeah posting the rhizzone tweet pretty much cemented his status as dumbfuck Haha yeah dude. Dumbfuck status: confirmed    
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I've heard that the French elections that got Napoleon III into power were kind of similar to the 2016 US elections, in that it cracked the brains of many liberal and leftwing intellectuals of the period. The Orthodox Marxist characterization of the peasantry as inherently reactionary comes from this too.
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Jan 12, 2021 00:35
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Lol https://twitter.com/tomunism_/status/1348626279508094980?s=21
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Jan 12, 2021 07:23
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I will take it. I will test the Cuban vaccine. though I do not know the way.
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Jan 12, 2021 07:25
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how come Iran is doing so bad with Covid
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Jan 12, 2021 07:26
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probably the crippling sanctions
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Ferrinus posted:probably the crippling sanctions but cuba is under sanction as well
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indigi posted:how come Iran is doing so bad with Covid https://twitter.com/Seamus_Malek/status/1347599712791130113 it would appear that Iran is not immune to doing things out of dumb, nationalistic reasons
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Enjoy posted:but cuba is under sanction as well cuba has an extremely robust healthcare system though, I don't know if there's anywhere in the world that has a better healthcare:national wealth ratio in the world.
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Jan 12, 2021 12:49
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Mr. Lobe posted:cuba has an extremely robust healthcare system though, I don't know if there's anywhere in the world that has a better healthcare:national wealth ratio in the world. this is like a tautology... cuba has better healthcare outcomes because its healthcare system is better
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Jan 12, 2021 13:01
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Enjoy posted:this is like a tautology... cuba has better healthcare outcomes because its healthcare system is better indeed! your highly logical mind may perchance bespy the reasons for this confluence and therein the secret wherein, the sacred mystery of good things actually being good is not a tautology you moron its a definition of good
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Jan 12, 2021 13:13
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Hodgepodge posted:indeed! your highly logical mind may perchance bespy the reasons for this confluence and therein the secret wherein, the sacred mystery of good things actually being good is not a tautology you moron its a definition of good we were talking about why cuba is doing better than iran
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Jan 12, 2021 13:22
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It is good because it is heavily invested in proportionately, I don't see how this is a difficult concept
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Jan 12, 2021 13:31
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cuba is an island and enjoys greater legitimacy among its people than does iran, and its healthcare has been a (quite successful) big priority for it for decades, and they've got a fairly young population iirc they're one of the countries in the world best prepared to deal with something like this
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Jan 12, 2021 13:36
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Enjoy posted:we were talking about why cuba is doing better than iran do you think its surprising when a state wins a war because it invested in training, equipment, and logistics? might you say they had a better army than one which they defeated? oh ho but that is a tautology!
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Jan 12, 2021 13:36
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Enjoy posted:this is like a tautology... cuba has better healthcare outcomes because its healthcare system is better it's not, because theoretical performance/capacity of a health system doesn't automatically mean equitable access or better outcomes. the epidemic preparedness ranking that got memed last year is a good example of this – amerikkka supposedly had all the right institutions to respond to covid, but it failed at implementation for a wide variety of reasons.  somewhat interestingly, the same index ranked iran above cuba: https://www.ghsindex.org/country/iran/ https://www.ghsindex.org/country/cuba/
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exmarx posted:it's not, because theoretical performance/capacity of a health system doesn't automatically mean equitable access or better outcomes. the epidemic preparedness ranking that got memed last year is a good example of this – amerikkka supposedly had all the right institutions to respond to covid, but it failed at implementation for a wide variety of reasons. impressive how this chart is almost exactly wrong in some ways lol
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france, britain and sweden are the best-prepared countries in europe at least they didn't put belgium in the 'well-prepared' bloc
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it definitely shows the limitations of considering a single system (health) in isolation from other vital factors (welfare, social cohesion, leadership, legal arrangements, etc.)
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Jan 12, 2021 13:44
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racking my brain to figure out why the theocratic government hasn’t done as good a job at fighting the pandemic as the socialist government
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Jan 12, 2021 14:08
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couldn’t a theocratic government be like “everyone stay the gently caress home god said so. if you go out you’re being mean to god” like I understand Cuba has a way better health system but so much of fighting coronavirus is just straight up prevention and it seems like you can do most of that (minus things like mass testing I guess, I’m not sure what Iran’s testing capacity is) with political/economic solutions I could totally see them being in such a precarious place that they can’t afford to put their economy on hold without starving or something, though, I don’t know enough about it which is why I asked
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Jan 12, 2021 15:25
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iran also has a pretty fractured government from what i understand. it's technically theocratic, because the religious leaders have a lot of powers, but the theocracy and the executive branch don't coordinate very well at all at the best of times. if it was more unified it would probably be doing better regardless of ideological or nationalistic traps
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Larry Parrish posted:iran also has a pretty fractured government from what i understand. it's technically theocratic, because the religious leaders have a lot of powers, but the theocracy and the executive branch don't coordinate very well at all at the best of times. if it was more unified it would probably be doing better regardless of ideological or nationalistic traps well partly, the central government itself is the part dominated by the religious leaders, but there are other centers of power among the military and the national industrial organizations, and local governments that may have their own legal rights and be dominated by local leaders with their own interests. Iran is a massive country with a rather convoluted state structure, so things like enforcing curfews or providing masks to residents are entirely up to local governments and their own resources,
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lollontee posted:Iran is a massive country with a rather convoluted state structure, so things like enforcing curfews or providing masks to residents are entirely up to local governments and their own resources, boy this certainly doesn’t sound familiar
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Jan 12, 2021 18:42
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lollontee posted:well partly, the central government itself is the part dominated by the religious leaders, but there are other centers of power among the military and the national industrial organizations, and local governments that may have their own legal rights and be dominated by local leaders with their own interests. Iran is a massive country with a rather convoluted state structure, so things like enforcing curfews or providing masks to residents are entirely up to local governments and their own resources, wow sounds like it sucks poo poo
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i guess the difference is that modern Iran was bureaucratically cobbled together from whatever was left standing after the iran-iraq war, which itself was an apocalyptic event for the central state government, and led to a lot of unofficial decentralization, and america was purposefully built in a way that makes trying to do anything outside your local government a sisyphean task. The Iranian state has reformed in recent years, especially the military imho is more ideologically and practically under the Mullah's thumb, due to the increased military threat making governors and generals much more open to listening government authority. Butt the ability of the theocrats to enforce their will on any part of the state is basically a question of finding dirt and removing anyone who doesn't comply, and you cant really do that too much before the bureaucrats start hating you. So the theocrats are kinda stuck where they are, and i dont see them wanting to shake the boat too much with the americans loading their guns over the other side of the border e: all this is just based on what someone who lived in the country for a year a while back told me, so my conclusions are probably completely mistaken lollontee fucked around with this message at 15:44 on Jan 13, 2021 |
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i have an iranian friend who basically said that its a failed state where everyone still shows up to work every day since there's nothing better to do. which made me lmao mostly because it sounds a lot like home
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https://twitter.com/jacobinmag/status/1349627310312366080quote:8 December 1909: 44 Fontenoy Street, Dublin
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dudes rock edit mods change my name to little depraved blackguard
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Larry Parrish posted:i have an iranian friend who basically said that its a failed state where everyone still shows up to work every day since there's nothing better to do. which made me lmao mostly because it sounds a lot like home I just got a new job and I'm celebrating in the fashion of having a job
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James Joyce posted:little naughty farties pro-tier username
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Jan 14, 2021 10:03
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james joyce showing s-tier dirty talk game when dudes these days get all embarrassed, smoothbrained and "eh huh wha heh a" when a girl sends them the eggplant and droplets emojis in a text is an incredible inspiration to all
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smh everyone knows you gotta follow up the eggplant with a meaty taco and some tongues just shameful performance compared to JIM
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Listening to Matt Christmans Vlog and his discussion about how the US's Yeoman farmers were proletarianized and even peasantized. It makes me wonder if the Yeoman tradition of the US might make it fertile ground for some sort of Land Reform movement. Such movements are common in Latin America and the US itself has flirted with such ideas during Reconstruction and in the short-lived Georgist movement. Perhaps I'm being naïve but I wanted to bounce off the idea off this thread to see if there was anything too it or if I'm missing something crucial.
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I think that agriculture in North America is so thoroughly industrialized and proletarianized that this would be impossible. The romantic small time mid-west farmer is long long gone. It would be far more prudent to organize agricultural labourers. What is interesting however is that peasants have been far more receptive to socialist ideas in areas where they are proletarianized. Emilia Romagna was a stronghold for the PCI because of the persistence of the Latifundias in this region, and the Anarchists won over Andalusian peasants for the same reason. The more free peasants in Navarra went over to Franco.
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Farm laborers in the US are, conservatively, about 50% undocumented immigrants. Number is likely closer to 75%. I don’t think the country’s yeoman ideal has anything at all to do with current reality, to be honest, besides serving an ideological function
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The only "yeomen" left are bourgeois who own small hold farms as either vanirty projects or component of their larger business.
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Dreddout posted:The only "yeomen" left are bourgeois who own small hold farms as either vanirty projects or component of their larger business. or as a tax avoidance scheme for their estates
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imo American land reform would/should be giving migrant workers co-op farms and citizenship
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