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Hannibal Rex posted:Remember Lost? Me neither. Lost has actually been getting some positive retrospectives recently, although IMO it doesn't really hold up. The serial-focused pacing and plotting doesn't really lend itself to being able to stream every episode in short order. TowerofOil posted:I had a friend who thought jaime was pronounced hi-me. That's not so bizarre, depending on where you grew up. The guy who introduced me to the series also used the same pronunciation.
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I guess I think its a weird pronunciation in a book about fantasy medieval England
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Justin Credible posted:I still think the most mind boggling reveal I had in the entire series got pointed out by goons. Also, Phoenix Down is feathers, like goose down in a pillow or jacket.
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PittTheElder posted:That feels entirely likely for anyone who grew up in a Spanish speaking place. What's worse, being named arya because of ASOIAF or Eragon?
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As well as the series started off it really is unbelievable how bad it got in the later seasons. If it was even halfway decent I think people would have forgiven a lot but it got soooo bad.
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Nerdburger_Jansen posted:If this is directed at me, I just haven't read him. I wasn't trying to be exhaustive, just pointing out that fantasy has more good authors at its foundation than people usually give it credit for, and that Tolkien is good but not singular.
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Justin Credible posted:I still think the most mind boggling reveal I had in the entire series got pointed out by goons. I'm joining with the dum dums. What's this a reference to?
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ninjoatse.cx posted:I'm joining with the dum dums. What's this a reference to? Theon's uncle's name. Damphair is not some weird title, he literally has damp hair from always being in the water.
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Well, it is a pretty weird little title either way.
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I blame knowing what a dhampir is for the mental mispronunciations. If I had been slightly less dorky I would have realized it was literal instead of wondering why they were teasing him for being half vampire. Like Blade, but with wet hair.
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New guide to Gurm's magnum opus.
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the series would have been remembered fine if it stayed the same quality but just went with the fanfiction plot points like Jaime/Arya killing Cersei and Jon killing the Night King only to then marry Dany and become king. people liked season 7 even though it was just as bad. D&D tried to do the things GRRM told them to do (Bran becoming king) or things they thought were subversive because Game of Thrones must have things happening you don't expect (Arya killing the Night King.) they really should have just gone for fan-service
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Ague Proof posted:the series would have been remembered fine if it stayed the same quality but just went with the fanfiction plot points like Jaime/Arya killing Cersei and Jon killing the Night King only to then marry Dany and become king. people liked season 7 even though it was just as bad. D&D tried to do the things GRRM told them to do (Bran becoming king) or things they thought were subversive because Game of Thrones must have things happening you don't expect (Arya killing the Night King.) they really should have just gone for fan-service Yeah, when was the Dorne plot? The show was overall pretty poo poo since at least that time.
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I don’t care if it was Gurms real decision or not. Chomping out the Night King as a mid boss was the wrong decision. You’re apocalyptic zombie horde should be the last thing you face. Not the crazy lady in a castle that has 3 less dragons than you.
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Dorne was season 5. That was the first obviously terrible season.
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PittTheElder posted:That feels entirely likely for anyone who grew up in a Spanish speaking place. Arya's an actual name unlike Khaleesi so you have some plausible deniability like "oh my parents to wanted to name me noble (really grrm real subtle) and they wanted something foreign" Ague Proof posted:the series would have been remembered fine if it stayed the same quality but just went with the fanfiction plot points like Jaime/Arya killing Cersei and Jon killing the Night King only to then marry Dany and become king. people liked season 7 even though it was just as bad. D&D tried to do the things GRRM told them to do (Bran becoming king) or things they thought were subversive because Game of Thrones must have things happening you don't expect (Arya killing the Night King.) they really should have just gone for fan-service It is the easiest thing in the loving world to have Jon do some fighting ,have Arya show up and they fight together because ya know wolves hunt in packs but themes are for 8th grade book reports I guess Okay I'm 100% sure GRRM is planning to die before finishing these now, even him refusing to just add an 8th book makes sense because if he did a new contract they might put in a clause they his estate has to pay back or something. SirKibbles fucked around with this message at 22:10 on Jan 22, 2021 |
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Phenotype posted:Also, Phoenix Down is feathers, like goose down in a pillow or jacket. That one eluded me for a while, but wasn't my brain in space exploding. The damfair thing is a combination of those letters together always being a f sound in English, along with GURRM's use of poo poo like 'nuncle' in the same loving chapters.
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Evil Fluffy posted:Has any show ever fallen as far and fast as GoT did? It was dominating pop culture and even with the later seasons being worse, people were still excited for various reasons. Then the final episode hit and people collectively asked what the gently caress and then... nothing. There's talk they're gonna do a Robert's Rebellion show and my first thought was "eh, whatever." Three years ago it would have been "gently caress YEAH!"
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Hannibal Rex posted:Remember Lost? Me neither. I didn't watch the show, but yes. I'm pretty sure I've seen it mentioned more in the last year than GoT and what little mention was definitely more positive than GoT mentions were. Phenotype posted:Also, Phoenix Down is feathers, like goose down in a pillow or jacket. I don't understand how people didn't get this one unless they've never heard of down = feather. In FF6 the animation is literally feathers floating down on to the target.
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Phoenixes(ii?) rise from the dead and your party member is down.
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Lost was also still spawning shows that wanted to be Lost too years after it was finished. The only two shows that want to be Games of Thrones too--Amazon's Lord of the Rings and The Wheel of Time, are still years away from premiering on screens and won't have that GoT magic fumes to try and gobble up like the Lost imitators did with Lost.
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TK-42-1 posted:Phoenixes(ii?) rise from the dead and your party member is down.
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I'll always laugh at HBO desperately trying to get interest in more got media and nobody giving a gently caress. It feels like every few months there's a rumor about a new got prequel or some poo poo and just nobody loving cares.
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He hasn’t finished this book either tho 🤔 Or did he finally finish She-Wolves of Winterfell?
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I'd go on a limb and say that Lost finale wasn't quite as bad as GoT's. Granted, with Lost, the writers clearly didn't have any idea for anything long-term that would tie it all in, and were just throwing any random poo poo they could think of at the plot by the latter half of the series. Still, there were some great character moments and some truly batshit insane bits which were amusing just by virtue of being completely unhinged, all spiced with this complete 100% earnestness and seriousness of it all that contrasted nicely with all the what-the-fuckery. The latter seasons of GoT, on the other hand, just got increasingly bland and stupid and somehow annoyingly smug at the same time. And now I want to rewatch Lost lol
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nurmie posted:And now I want to rewatch Lost lol I'm half-convinced that there's a way to edit together LOST that makes it a really gripping story, where they cut out the majority of the episodes (including the escape/return to the island) and a lot of the stuff that couldn't really be explained, and focus in on the island mystery leading to the time travel bits and eventually the Jacob/MIB conflict, while alluding to the idea that the protagonists are dead and in some sort of afterlife/purgatory helping to decide the battle between good and evil. There's a core of a good story there, but it got bogged down with too many 22 hour-long episode seasons and too many dumb unplanned mysteries introduced to ratchet up the tension.
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Ague Proof posted:the series would have been remembered fine if it stayed the same quality but just went with the fanfiction plot points like Jaime/Arya killing Cersei and Jon killing the Night King only to then marry Dany and become king. people liked season 7 even though it was just as bad. D&D tried to do the things GRRM told them to do (Bran becoming king) or things they thought were subversive because Game of Thrones must have things happening you don't expect (Arya killing the Night King.) they really should have just gone for fan-service This is an interesting point. I wonder if they had done the same ending, but in a much more competent fashion, people still would have grumbled because it didn't meet their expectations of who they thought the heroes were going to be. I personally wouldn't have liked an ending as you describe, it would have felt a bit too rote.
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nurmie posted:I'd go on a limb and say that Lost finale wasn't quite as bad as GoT's. The final season of Lost was about as good as they could've done at that point and there are a bunch of really solid performances throughout the series where chances are you enjoy at least one of the core narratives in any given season. I would definitely watch a cohesive supercut that trimmed out the fat in favor of 2-3 really strong seasons.
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I think BSG is a better comparison. It was all downhill from the first episode.
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hobbesmaster posted:I think BSG is a better comparison. It was all downhill from the first episode. Both Battlestar Galactica and Game of Thrones each have a very clear delineation mark for the point of no return of their quality: BSG's is ONE YEAR LATER, and GoT's is The Red Wedding. Once you cross those thresholds, both shows stop being categorically "good" and begin the unstoppable slides into flaming wrecks that obliterate their respective burgeoning franchises upon final impact.
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I don't know, I thought the good-guys-as-suicide-bombers and the escape from New Caprica was the highlight of BSG. But after that, yeah, totally agree.
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I actually really enjoyed BSG all the way through. There's definitely some missteps with magic Starbuck and the dancing robots, but it doesn't flub the ending anywhere near as badly as Lost or GOT did.
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mind the walrus posted:Yeah most kids aren't raised in Victorian Britain and hear a lot about downy pillows, and this is the logic they arrive on. This is fascinating.  I never even heard of this video game controversy, probably because English isn't my first language and our localization straight up used the word for "feather", so the first time I saw "Phoenix Down" even my bad English immediately went "feather" and then I never thought about this again until today.
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As a non-english native as well this is the first time I've ever heard "down" being related to a pillow (or a feather), I've always also taken it as a "party down, Phoenix rez" type of thing.
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TeaJay posted:As a non-english native as well this is the first time I've ever heard "down" being related to a pillow (or a feather), I've always also taken it as a "party down, Phoenix rez" type of thing. I'm guessing your country didn't bother localizing into your local language? 
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nurmie posted:The latter seasons of GoT, on the other hand, just got increasingly bland and stupid and somehow annoyingly smug at the same time. Smug is the right word. They didn't understand why the Red Wedding was so effective - it wasn't just the spectacle, it was the payoff on a number of fronts, especially thematically and for individual character arcs. Their themes-are-for-book-reports dismissiveness meant they'd never be able to reach that high again.
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Localizing retro games? That was indeed not a thing in Finland, and for the better, because they would've been inferior to the originals for sure. I think only the bigger european countries had laws for localizing game content and that meant delays on game releases for everyone.
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TeaJay posted:Localizing retro games? That was indeed not a thing in Finland, and for the better, because they would've been inferior to the originals for sure. I think only the bigger european countries had laws for localizing game content and that meant delays on game releases for everyone. You'd think so, but there are a lot of games (Lufia II) for example, with poo poo English localization but astonishingly high-quality German translation. Generally, you get as much out of a localization as effort has been put in. There was also the issue where German games sometimes were directly translated from the original Japanese, not from an English script. (Also,  at English being the "original" version of old Japanese retro games)
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