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I mean that was a pretty tired take in 2012; seeing it in 2021 is a bit like seeing a 20 year-old dog trying to play. You're more impressed with the energy than the form.
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Agreed I don't get it, but the people who do post in the thread clearly still enjoy it (why??... but okay), so... So nothing. End of post.
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If there was anything more to discuss on the books at this point that wasn’t already discussed in the last 3 (4?) bad threads, we would. It’s all been analyzed and pored over, and more than once too. We all knew R+L=J long before the show was even proposed. We only have misery and hate and scorn now because the rest has all been used up.
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Feb 4, 2021 18:43
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Libluini posted:Oh yeah, 10 years old by now. And still a sack full of poo poo. But if you ask one of the true believers, they'd probably tell you that "real" development only started yesterday, so it's unfair to judge this pre-pre-alpha wreckage of a non-game right now, you have to wait until it's finished! Meanwhile Elite: Dangerous is adding 3rd person gameplay and will have more actual content than what CIG is promising if only they get another several hundred million dollars.
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latinotwink1997 posted:If there was anything more to discuss on the books at this point that wasn’t already discussed in the last 3 (4?) bad threads, we would. It’s all been analyzed and pored over, and more than once too. We all knew R+L=J long before the show was even proposed. Word, besides there's been plenty of insightful and enjoyable discussion about the books in that very thread. If somehow you don't find it funny that GRRM didn't care to release a single
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Was there a specific point when the ASOIF thread crossed over from a normal discussion thread to The Bad Thread? It would be kind of fun to go back through archives to track the pulse. It's been fat pink masts for as long as I've been lurking.
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Paddyo posted:Was there a specific point when the ASOIF thread crossed over from a normal discussion thread to The Bad Thread? It would be kind of fun to go back through archives to track the pulse. It's been fat pink masts for as long as I've been lurking. I actually reread the threads a few years back, saved the funniest posts, and took some notes. I marked down page 142 of the "Proto-bad" thread as the beginning. The point of no return. When people who came in asking book questions started getting every spoiler there was as a reply. https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=2327492&userid=0&perpage=40&pagenumber=142 Of course that's not full force Bad Thread yet. I marked down 158-160 for some great rage. This is 13 years ago, wow. Edit: This page is pretty good https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3104213&userid=0&perpage=40&pagenumber=417 some bust on that guy fucked around with this message at 02:45 on Feb 5, 2021 |
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mind the walrus posted:I mean that was a pretty tired take in 2012; seeing it in 2021 is a bit like seeing a 20 year-old dog trying to play. You're more impressed with the energy than the form. this is better prose than anything grrm has written in the last decade
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Feb 5, 2021 04:22
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It's not only that there isn't anything new to discuss but also that the show did spoil the ending and whole bunch of remaining mysteries and did so in a very lackluster way, two years ago this thread might have still had some discussion about fAegon or any of the hanging plot lines but now we know in broad strokes how the whole thing is gonna play out, what matters and what doesn't, and there are much fewer open questions that also seem less significant now that we know the fate of most protagonists. Honestly it must suck trying to write a book within these constraints, that everyone knows your resolution and that you have to work extra hard to justify it cause people didn't really like it.
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some bust on that guy posted:I actually reread the threads a few years back, saved the funniest posts, and took some notes. A choice post from page 158, way back in 2008: quote:As much as I love the series now I think I'm gonna be pretty apathetic when the final book is released in 2020.
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Elias_Maluco posted:Maybe is better close the thread and reopen it only when the book comes out what is dead may never die
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emanresu tnuocca posted:Honestly it must suck trying to write a book within these constraints, that everyone knows your resolution and that you have to work extra hard to justify it cause people didn't really like it. I don't really have any issues with the resolution in its broad strokes, I do have issues with the choices the show made to get there. Bran's definitely going to be king at the end but it's not going to be because he has 'the best story'.
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Mr Bad Guy posted:A child built a toy castle. He labored for hours, meticulously sculpting crenelations, gargoyles, moats, and towers. The castle was his finest achievment and he was filled with pride. ZeeBoi posted:Here's the thing: A Dance with Dragons finally comes out, everyone devours that book within a day, and then... you wait another decade for The Winds of Winter. ghouldaddy07 posted:Great to hear about hbo picking up the show. Erotic Punisher posted:
Spermy Smurf posted:This thread is a roller coaster of emotions which is making me irrationally hate happy people that I see in bookstores grabbing a new book off of the "New Releases" rack because I know I wont ever grab this one off the same rack. Bummey posted:You know, I was completely joking yesterday when, five minutes after the Jets/Chargers game ended, I told a friend that George had already blogged 6 paragraphs about it. Knowing he would only write two or three, I over exaggerated to stress the fact that he cares more about football than his epic book series. Fluegel posted:I'm really not that excited for the TV series, to be honest. Koirhor posted:So I've been thinking that the HBO people who greenlit this poo poo are the Wildest Cards of them all. They lure GURM will fame/money get him to spill the beans on how it ends (actual ending must be terrible) then they proceed to just cut entirely important but must be unimportant parts of the story to show how much time GURM wastes on his world building. Then GURM has the audacity to ask them to slow down, this is when HBO reveals there plan all along. They will poo poo on his "legacy" by finishing his stupid story. And then GURM will surely say that isn't how I really was going to end things, but will promptly be found dead face down in a pool of ricotta cheese. And if by some miracle he manages to finish the books no one will loving buy them. A HORNY SWEARENGEN posted:
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Vichan posted:I don't really have any issues with the resolution in its broad strokes, I do have issues with the choices the show made to get there. I still low key love that Sansa’s sales pitch for Bran to the Unnamed Prince of Dorne, et al. was basically “He peenus no werk an he see la futur.” And they bought it. They all loving bought it.
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nine-gear crow posted:I still low key love that Sansa’s sales pitch for Bran to the Unnamed Prince of Dorne, et al. was basically “He peenus no werk an he see la futur.” And they bought it. They all loving bought it. GRRM is lucky that D&D are such hacks that the general public kind of forgot about GRRM. This thread never forgets.
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Vichan posted:I don't really have any issues with the resolution in its broad strokes, I do have issues with the choices the show made to get there. I've more or less agreed with this since the show ended. I think the way things went is....fine. I just wish they didn't cut out so much poo poo that could've given more context to everything. Dany's about-face and Bran becoming king happen out of nowhere and it didn't have to be rushed like that. The show already had a decent cadence with 10 episodes per season and, had they stuck with that, I think it would've been a lot better. Dany's turnabout in particular isn't as out-of-nowhere as it seems, but hell, a montage of all the crazy poo poo she's done since season 1 would've gone a long way to remind viewers "actually she's not the good guy anymore."
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Show Danny was shown as sympathetic, the crazy poo poo she does was to make her look strong and justified. The books very much try to show you she’s going crazy like the rest of the bloodline.
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chaosapiant posted:I've more or less agreed with this since the show ended. I think the way things went is....fine. I just wish they didn't cut out so much poo poo that could've given more context to everything. Dany's about-face and Bran becoming king happen out of nowhere and it didn't have to be rushed like that. The show already had a decent cadence with 10 episodes per season and, had they stuck with that, I think it would've been a lot better. They did! And it was pretty good! They left the camera on Dany and there were all these voice bits playing from earlier in the series talking about Targaryens and madness, and it made it feel like she might really be going nuts! The problem was that it was a single ten-second scene right before the episode where she actually does go nuts. If they'd been doing that for the last few seasons to allude that she's actually wrestling with her bloodthirsty bloodline, it would have felt like a logical end to her plotline.
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emanresu tnuocca posted:It's not only that there isn't anything new to discuss but also that the show did spoil the ending and whole bunch of remaining mysteries and did so in a very lackluster way, two years ago this thread might have still had some discussion about fAegon or any of the hanging plot lines but now we know in broad strokes how the whole thing is gonna play out, what matters and what doesn't, and there are much fewer open questions that also seem less significant now that we know the fate of most protagonists. To me it seems he has the most freedom with Euron, the twistiest character who didn't appear in the show even though there was a character with that name. Cersei, Aegon, Dorne, Daenerys are likely to cancel each other out with the Others resolved along the way. Euron is being built up as a counterpoint to Bran and Bloodraven, whom we're told are the ultimate victors. His role in the story is still pretty open-ended, as far as I know.
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Phenotype posted:They did! And it was pretty good! They left the camera on Dany and there were all these voice bits playing from earlier in the series talking about Targaryens and madness, and it made it feel like she might really be going nuts! The problem was that it was a single ten-second scene right before the episode where she actually does go nuts. If they'd been doing that for the last few seasons to allude that she's actually wrestling with her bloodthirsty bloodline, it would have felt like a logical end to her plotline. This might be one of the things that book readers have on show watchers. Anyone that’s read through the series knew that that’s how it was going to end so was paying attention to absolutely every little hint towards that. D&D being hacks couldn’t actually write that so show watchers got a bit surprised.
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indiscriminately posted:The five books that exist are actually pretty good! An immersive world, memorable characters, surprising twists, mysteries. I like the series and I like seeing other people talk about it. This thread will never be the quality of the Tolkien thread but maybe that should be the inspiration rather than, like, the Trump thread. There hasn't been anything new to discuss about this series since 2011. Even the monkeys typing on their typewriters on reddit have run out of things to make up.
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I believe you that's the case for you, and many other people. It isn't the case for me. edit: vvvvv I understand the heritage of the thread. indiscriminately fucked around with this message at 23:13 on Feb 5, 2021 |
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Feb 5, 2021 22:12
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The Bad Thread may not be what you're looking for lol
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You wanted a good book thread, but you need the bad pussy
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When is a Storm of Semen coming out TB Thread?
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some bust on that guy posted:You wanted a good book thread, but you need the bad pussy
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hobbesmaster posted:This might be one of the things that book readers have on show watchers. Anyone that’s read through the series knew that that’s how it was going to end so was paying attention to absolutely every little hint towards that. D&D being hacks couldn’t actually write that so show watchers got a bit surprised. Even the easy ways to show her as a bad leader they just cut or glossed over quickly. Like, in the books it's pretty clear she's hosed up everything in Slaver's Bay and nothing short of wiping out the slavers is going to change that. Meanwhile in the show she just scares them in to submission with "dragons rawr" and viewers are left to believe an entire region built around slavery is just going to obey when any betrayal would take weeks/months to reach her and she'll be busy warring with Westeros. Even if they do behave at first that's going to end the moment so much as a rumor of one of the dragons dying reaches them, let alone 2 being killed. One of the things harped on about ASOIAF is how it bucks the trend and so on, yet so many viewers expected Dany to retake the throne with her army of slave soldiers and not-Mongols while ignoring that one of the reasons her family was deposed is because they're all batshit insane tyrants and the only Targ who might've been sane was Rhaegar, and he was so stupid that him eloping with someone lead to a civil war when he was the goddamn crown prince and could've just declared he was taking a second wife and the Starks would've accepted it regardless of how angry the Baratheons would've been.
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some bust on that guy posted:You wanted a good book thread, but you need the bad pussy
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What was up with how people used to talk about how the credits meant the world was inside a dome. What difference was that supposed to have made?
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Evil Fluffy posted:Even the easy ways to show her as a bad leader they just cut or glossed over quickly. Like, in the books it's pretty clear she's hosed up everything in Slaver's Bay and nothing short of wiping out the slavers is going to change that. Meanwhile in the show she just scares them in to submission with "dragons rawr" and viewers are left to believe an entire region built around slavery is just going to obey when any betrayal would take weeks/months to reach her and she'll be busy warring with Westeros. Even if they do behave at first that's going to end the moment so much as a rumor of one of the dragons dying reaches them, let alone 2 being killed. I often got the feeling there was more to the Rhaegar story, because for a not batshit insane guy he did a batshit insane thing. Like he must've known his father was nuts and that just grabbing Lyssa would cause problems. Supposedly only 50% of Targs are nuts and he was supposed to be one of the not nuts ones, and he doesn't come across as nuts just stupid.
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I imagine being raised by batshit insane Targs, in a position of ultimate privilege, doesn't lead to excellent impulse control.some bust on that guy posted:Funniest sentence written in this whole thread. Hey, he was definitely accomplishing a lot! It's just that it was a lot of arguing with the local planning department after they told him he couldn't build a castle in Santa Fe. 
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Could you imagine trying to sell a multi million dollar castle on Arizona when he croaks?
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Amazing that the same posts 13 years ago still work as well today.
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This is cute. With all the hate and complaining 13 years ago, the worst case scenario here was the entire series being done by 2017.
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some bust on that guy posted:This is cute. With all the hate and complaining 13 years ago, the worst case scenario here was the entire series being done by 2017. Book 7 in 2017 as a grim prediction from a decade and a half ago is exactly why this thread is the bad thread.
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Yeah, I am sorry about being snippy before. But I actually think the last couple pages of this thread have been more funny and amusing than it's been in a while, so that's nice to see. I should probably be a lot more cynical and disappointed with GRRM than I am, but the anger and hate just isn't there anymore. There are so many deeply worse and more malicious and revolting individuals out there, so as pathetic and easy to hate as GRRM is, I have too much affection for the world he created to give up on him completely. Truth be told, I feel far less angry at him since seeing how much Benioff and Weiss hosed up Season 8, as predictable as that was after the mess that was Season 7 (and most of Season 6, truth be told). The two POV characters from the start that I'd always liked the most (up until that point) had been Tyrion and Bran, and those were probably the two characters betrayed the most deeply by D&D in those last three seasons, to the point that both were truly unrecognizable (and not in a good way) from what they had been under GRRM's stewardship. Pretty much each and every last character wound up being horrifically twisted into grotesque caricatures of themselves by the end of that last season, though. It's difficult to think of a single character who survived up to that point that didn't receive that treatment, though I think Bran and Tyrion were bastardized as much as anyone. As I am currently re-reading the books, I also notice a deeper and more subtle change - I no longer imagine the characters and locations as they were portrayed in the show, as I listen to the books this time. The characters in those last several seasons don't seem to have anything to do with the people I'm currently reading about, and it's kinda nice to realize that. Euron is a pretty good example of this - because he didn't even show up until like Season 5 or 6, the Euron on the show has absolutely nothing to do with the Euron of the books, who resembles more of a Lovecraftian demon than anything else. Actually, I don't know how many of you have had a chance to check out the chapter "The Forsaken" from TWOW - I think GRRM read it back in 2016 at a convention? That made me feel optimistic about this stupid book that, in spite of my foolish optimism, still will likely never come out.
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