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pseudanonymous posted:I've literally never understood the logic of "God so loved the world that he made it so that people would commit original sin and thus be condemned so he could send his only son to die in torture to redeem people" it reeks of Munchausen by proxy. In the old testament god is not good. He's a raging petty jackass that obliterates entire nations because they pissed him off in some way. "God is good and good is love" is new age nonsense conflicts with the cannon of hellfire and pillars of salt.
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kik2dagroin posted:I've got a full months worth of data about how freepers post.  [/quote] neat
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Finnankainen posted:Freep discussing the most pressing issue of the day *checks notes* guitars in church i love how they hate literally everything
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Feb 6, 2021 16:46
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Guavanaut posted:And then a bunch of other kids steal the ball and spend the next couple millennia beating each other up over whether the Son was the same as the God or not. That's Modalism, Patrick!
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Feb 6, 2021 17:31
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MysteriousStranger posted:In the old testament god is not good. He's a raging petty jackass that obliterates entire nations because they pissed him off in some way. "God is good and good is love" is new age nonsense conflicts with the cannon of hellfire and pillars of salt. The Bible is basically a manifesto of a complete genocidal psychopath who let their hippie son contribute four chapters in it.
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Feb 6, 2021 18:27
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God really chilled out when he had a kid, like a lot of people. I mean it was either that or he’d have pulled a Kronos and we’d have paintings of baby JC being eaten
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Feb 6, 2021 19:08
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Nitrousoxide posted:Jesus dying is actually a convoluted way for Yahweh to get out of the original contract with the Israelites. Under Jewish law the covenant between God and the Israelites could only be broken by the death of either party. Since the Israelites were a whole society it would require eliminating every single one of them so God just had himself killed in a clever fake suicide to avoid his debt collectors and get out of his covenant. its also convoluted because early early Christianity was basicaly just a weird jewish sect but Paul and others wanted to go beyond Judaism since it didnt get any traction there so alot of the later stuff is focused on roman/hellnistic jews/gentile audience in general. DarkCrawler posted:The Bible is basically a manifesto of a complete genocidal psychopath who let their hippie son contribute four chapters in it. its more like the hippie son wrote the same chapter 4 times with but with different intentions and meanings and recuts and the rest are said sons fanboys talking about early church doctrine or humble bragging about poo poo. Sir Tonk posted:i love how they hate literally everything same. its loving weird as poo poo.
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Feb 6, 2021 19:53
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Dapper_Swindler posted:its more like the hippie son wrote the same chapter 4 times with but with different intentions and meanings and recuts and the rest are said sons fanboys talking about early church doctrine or humble bragging about poo poo. With the last fanboy being high on acid, PCP and bath salts but his crazy trip impressed the rest of the fanboys so much that they had to include it.
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Feb 6, 2021 20:03
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Dr. VooDoo posted:God really chilled out when he had a kid, like a lot of people. I mean it was either that or he’d have pulled a Kronos and we’d have paintings of baby JC being eaten Eh, I get the vibe from rabbis I follow on twitter, that that's a very Christian take on things, especially since Christians don't typically read the 1000s of years worth of addendum texts, and act like the religion hasn't changed at all in the 2000 years since Jesus.
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Feb 6, 2021 21:21
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DarkCrawler posted:The Bible is basically a manifesto of a complete genocidal psychopath who let their hippie son contribute four chapters in it. This is stupid, the bedrock texts of the Jewish literary tradition are not the "manifesto of a complete genocidal psychopath." I don't think anyone here would approve of this outrageous slander if it were applied to a book of Native American mythology, ancient Pagan myths, or even the Quran - then they'd recognize it as lazy, hateful reductionism of the kind you might read on Free Republic. Ambitious Spider posted:Eh, I get the vibe from rabbis I follow on twitter, that that's a very Christian take on things, especially since Christians don't typically read the 1000s of years worth of addendum texts, and act like the religion hasn't changed at all in the 2000 years since Jesus. Yeah exactly. "God is evil in the Old Testament and nice in the New Testament" is a Christian gnostic/supersessionist idea that doesn't survive actual engagement with the nuances of either text. It's lazy, edgy, and only makes sense if you assume that Jews were stupid savages for thousands of years, worshipping a god of pure bloodthirsty like a tribal caricature out of Indiana Jones. To really believe it you have to be either antisemitic (Jews are savages) or delusional about the past (people who lived in the Bronze and Iron Ages were savages). God is not an angel of rainbows and butterflies in the Hebrew Bible (nor in the Christian Bible). Nor is God a demon of fire and fury. He is rainbows and butterflies and fire and fury and more, befitting the beauty and disaster of life as the Hebrew Bible's authors experienced it: John Updyke posted:The ferocity of this tribal God measures the ferocity of tribal existence. In Exodus 3:14, when Moses asks God his name, the answer in Hebrew, ’Ehyeh-’Asher-’Ehyeh, has been commonly rendered i am that i am but could be, Alter reports, simply i am, i am. An impression grew upon me, as I made my way through these obdurate old texts, that to the ancient Hebrews God was simply a word for what was: a universe often beautiful and gracious but also implacable and unfathomable. Civilized Fishbot fucked around with this message at 21:41 on Feb 6, 2021 |
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TIME Claims a Secret Cabal Manipulated the 2020 Election to Stop Trump, and People Have Questionsquote:To: a fool in paradise  I haven't seen anyone die of the CHINA VIRUS so it must not exist!!!But what about the Jews?  quote:To: Red Badger What if these dumb things I fantasize about become reality? quote:To: Red Badger quote:To: Red Badger  right wingers that participated in the insurrection wanted to install Trump as a dictator and overturn the electionquote:To: Red Badger quote:To: a fool in paradise quote:To: Red Badger 
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Feb 6, 2021 21:38
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The resurrection of the third reich is bad? What points do freep and Hitler disagree on?Civilized Fishbot posted:This is stupid, the bedrock texts of the Jewish literary tradition are not the "manifesto of a complete genocidal psychopath." I don't think anyone here would approve of this outrageous slander if it were applied to a book of Native American mythology, ancient Pagan myths, or even the Quran - then they'd recognize it as lazy, hateful reductionism of the kind you might read on Free Republic. good post. It kinda annoys me how people treat the "old testament" aka the entire jewish bible, there isn't a new one, as "the bad god book" and goyishly take the new testament as "the nice good book." I'm not religious but still Edgar Allen Ho fucked around with this message at 22:01 on Feb 6, 2021 |
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Feb 6, 2021 21:57
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quote:Corporate globalists have been anti-AMERICA for quite some time. I love it when Freep catches a glimpse of why basing an economic system on "Profit is king gently caress everything else" is bad, and then come to the conclusion that "It must be because they're leftists."
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Feb 6, 2021 22:19
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lol, Time Magazine publishes an article about the ALF-CIO and Chamber of Commerce worked together to make sure the elections would run smoothly during a pandemic and their results would withstand any amount of scrutiny, explicitly without preference for which candidate would win (a fact that gets mentioned about 15 times in the article) and of course every Right Wing gently caress including Fox News itself is publishing TIME MAGAZINE REVEALS CONSPIRACY TO DEFEAT TRUMP! content the very next day.
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Feb 7, 2021 00:10
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Was wondering what the real article was about.
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Sanguinia posted:lol, Time Magazine publishes an article about the ALF-CIO and Chamber of Commerce worked together to make sure the elections would run smoothly during a pandemic and their results would withstand any amount of scrutiny, explicitly without preference for which candidate would win (a fact that gets mentioned about 15 times in the article) and of course every Right Wing gently caress including Fox News itself is publishing TIME MAGAZINE REVEALS CONSPIRACY TO DEFEAT TRUMP! content the very next day. To be quite fair: The headline is utter garbage.
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Feb 7, 2021 02:27
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Dapper_Swindler posted:its more like the hippie son wrote the same chapter 4 times with but with different intentions and meanings and recuts and the rest are said sons fanboys talking about early church doctrine or humble bragging about poo poo. youre pretty much excactly describing the right wing book world
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Feb 7, 2021 02:47
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Ambitious Spider posted:Eh, I get the vibe from rabbis I follow on twitter, that that's a very Christian take on things, especially since Christians don't typically read the 1000s of years worth of addendum texts, and act like the religion hasn't changed at all in the 2000 years since Jesus. i mean the old testament is a bunch of rewritten Jewish texts(i know the first few make up the torah and etc, but i dont know dick about Judaism or its texts, sorry  ) and the bible is different depending on your denomination and etc. most of the old testaments are just histories(the way history was told back then) and proverbs and sayings and predictions and poo poo. than the new testment is 4 seperate jesus narratives plus paul jerking off and humble bragging and than revelations was stuck on at the end by the councils because they wanted a giant bang ending and some dudes acid trip about a roman emperor was just the thing.Sir Tonk posted:youre pretty much excactly describing the right wing book world probably, i dont read them. gently caress i dont read many "current event" politics books outside rick perlstein's tomes of depression.
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Civilized Fishbot posted:This is stupid, the bedrock texts of the Jewish literary tradition are not the "manifesto of a complete genocidal psychopath." I don't think anyone here would approve of this outrageous slander if it were applied to a book of Native American mythology, ancient Pagan myths, or even the Quran - then they'd recognize it as lazy, hateful reductionism of the kind you might read on Free Republic. good post. yeah. its also helps when you realize alot of the stories are meant to be histories and this was obviously before Von ranke ideals of writing history so its mostly just telling a good story, so of course God shows up and does massive cool poo poo and we gently caress everyone up etc. your not supposed to take all the books as full truth. even when they were written. its the lessons that matter and etc. least thats what i was taught from various books and poo poo. then again i have only read the old testament stuff which takes different angles from the actual jewish writing i believe. idk Dapper_Swindler fucked around with this message at 03:50 on Feb 7, 2021 |
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Sanguinia posted:lol, Time Magazine publishes an article about the ALF-CIO and Chamber of Commerce worked together to make sure the elections would run smoothly during a pandemic and their results would withstand any amount of scrutiny, explicitly without preference for which candidate would win (a fact that gets mentioned about 15 times in the article) and of course every Right Wing gently caress including Fox News itself is publishing TIME MAGAZINE REVEALS CONSPIRACY TO DEFEAT TRUMP! content the very next day. Ah, I'd heard right wing media crying about how all these "leftist" groups got together a year before the election to totally rig it so that Trump couldn't win, I was wondering what the hell they were talking about. This explains a lot. Dapper_Swindler posted:i mean the old testament is a bunch of rewritten Jewish texts(i know the first few make up the torah and etc, but i dont know dick about Judaism or its texts, sorry I don't know what you mean by rewritten. There may be translation differences (the Bible has a shitload of translations, I have no idea what the scope of Jewish text translations are), and I think some books are rearranged in the Jewish texts compared to the Old Testament, and of course there's some Catholic and Orthodox books that aren't in either of the others, but the churches didn't rewrite any Jewish texts. They just interpret them very differently.
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E-Tank posted:To be quite fair: The headline is utter garbage. https://time.com/5936036/secret-2020-election-campaign Title of Time article: The Secret History of the Shadow Campaign That Saved the 2020 Election Article also refers to cooperation between big business and others to prevent Trump's schemes to flip the election as a 'conspiracy'. The language and headline of the article are total catnip for right wing nut jobs.
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Feb 7, 2021 06:12
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Dapper_Swindler posted:probably, i dont read them. gently caress i dont read many "current event" politics books outside rick perlstein's tomes of depression. id argue that they arent meant to be read and are just methods for generating more campaign revenue and adding examples for editorial writers to cite
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Twelve by Pies posted:Ah, I'd heard right wing media crying about how all these "leftist" groups got together a year before the election to totally rig it so that Trump couldn't win, I was wondering what the hell they were talking about. This explains a lot.
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Feb 7, 2021 15:40
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:Yeah if you were to go to a bookstore and grab a random English bible and random English tanakh the text is more or less the same, outside of translation differences. The differences are really petty stuff, like one has honour your father” and “honour your mother” as separate commandments and “do not bear false witness against your neighbour or covet their possessions” as a single commandment and vice versa. Also christians tend to say “thou shalt not kill” while Jews say “thou shalt not murder”, kind of an important distinction yeah sorry. was dumb of me. i guess i mean different interpratations and different books are in different places or added/subtracted but thats bibles all over in general.
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:Yeah if you were to go to a bookstore and grab a random English bible and random English tanakh the text is more or less the same, outside of translation differences. The differences are really petty stuff, like one has honour your father” and “honour your mother” as separate commandments and “do not bear false witness against your neighbour or covet their possessions” as a single commandment and vice versa. Also christians tend to say “thou shalt not kill” while Jews say “thou shalt not murder”, kind of an important distinction Which is sort of funny because Christians are all about killing generally.
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Feb 7, 2021 21:29
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Is there a "Watch freepers get mad about the Super Bowl" thread this year?
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DarklyDreaming posted:Is there a "Watch freepers get mad about the Super Bowl" thread this year? How mad can they be when the refs are handing their Chud Superman the game on a platter?
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Feb 8, 2021 02:37
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DarklyDreaming posted:Is there a "Watch freepers get mad about the Super Bowl" thread this year? I'm not watching the game cause I don't really care, but I know they're getting angry about an inter-racial couple in an ad or something as I type this. (Remember when they had that multi-lingual soda ad and they lost their poo poo?)
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Xiahou Dun posted:I'm not watching the game cause I don't really care, but I know they're getting angry about an inter-racial couple in an ad or something as I type this. Yeah I'm not watching either but I can feel it in my bones, they're angry about something Because they're always angry about something
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Feb 8, 2021 02:50
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I thought freep cancelled the NFL back when Kaepernick
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2021 Super Bowl Kicks Off With ‘Black National Anthem’ Your daily reminder that liberals are the real racists. quote:To: SeekAndFind quote:To: SeekAndFind  quote:To: SeekAndFind They're also mad about the halftime show!  quote:To: SeekAndFind quote:To: DIRTYSECRET They were also very confused by the guys wearing masks. quote:To: DIRTYSECRET quote:To: SeekAndFind These folks with their hippen and their hoppen! quote:To: SeekAndFind quote:To: SeekAndFind quote:To: SeekAndFind quote:To: SeekAndFind quote:To: SeekAndFind quote:To: EEGator
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:I thought freep cancelled the NFL back when Kaepernick They hated the NFL well before that for saying vaguely progressive things, or having too many black players, or something.
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Feb 8, 2021 03:31
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Jagged Jim posted:2021 Super Bowl Kicks Off With ‘Black National Anthem’ they sound like my step grandma who i rarely see because she got visibly angry and upset because black dude was in commercial coming outside to see a blimp or some poo poo.
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Neo_Crimson posted:They hated the NFL well before that for saying vaguely progressive things, or having too many black players, or something. Yeah they hate the sport of football at every level and especially the league as an entity, but they can't imagine being Men Who Don't Like Football, because in their minds if you aren't watching a game every sunday you can't call yourself a man
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Finnankainen posted:
Just wanna point out this is the sort of heresy that gets you thrown out of the Christian club. Lots of diversity of views on a lot of points, but the whole Christ was made man thing is so central to all of them that it's on the list of requirements. It also fundamentally misunderstands worship as being some sort of inherent link to God (if you say the right words and sing the right notes) rather than a link to God through participating in the church. If you were given to a CS Lewis understanding of the world, you might think that said misunderstanding facilitates denying Christ and supplanting him with an idol (like, say, Fred Phelps) in the service of damning entire communities.
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Feb 8, 2021 04:08
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quote:To: SeekAndFind look at this scrub who doesn't remember ELVIS PRESTO presents BE-BOP-BAMBOOZLED 3D
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Feb 8, 2021 04:43
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Sanguinia posted:How mad can they be when the refs are handing their Chud Superman the game on a platter? I'm sorry but this is wrong. If there's any unity to be found in this country its the mutual hatred of tom brady
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Feb 8, 2021 06:57
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RagnarokAngel posted:I'm sorry but this is wrong. If there's any unity to be found in this country its the mutual hatred of tom brady For a brief shining moment Trump said some nice things about Tom Brady and I think they did a photo opp, which led to chuds deciding they liked Tom Brady, but I think that passed a year later
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Feb 8, 2021 07:19
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He had a MAGA hat in his locker
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Yeah he was well known as a trump supporter. Hatred of him transcends politics.
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