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xtal posted:Turn it into an RSS feed generator and sell it to goons for to do that i would first have to have anything beyond a very very very basic idea of what an RSS feed is i've just... never used one, so i dont really know what making a generator would entail
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Nitrousoxide posted:I really like how much flexibility you have with the UI in Linux. Whatever UI metaphor you like you can pretty much make it a reality with a simple change of the desktop manager and a few tweaks. You can make a MacOS or anything from a Windows XP-Windows 10 like experience with KDE Plasma through Kwin or Wayland. Then you have tiling ones like i3 if you do a lot of terminal or coding work and want to have a bunch of text windows open at once without having to futz around too much with arranging them. all this is actually bad I want to use computer not endlessly tweak the UI. its paradox of choice poo poo
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Feb 17, 2021 10:05
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Gentle Autist posted:I want to use computer not endlessly tweak the UI. its paradox of choice poo poo generally you take the 5-10 minutes it takes to set your things correctly, and then not touch it again for 10+ years because homedirs are eternal
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and then watch as all the software you try to use studiously ignores it and continues to look and feel like the default theming at the time it and/or the toolkit it uses was developed
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X was a mistake Sun should have contributed SunWindows to BSD back when they were considering contributing all of SunOS they only wound up releasing RPC and NFS and NIS, rather than all of SunOS, oh how things would have been different…
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Gentle Autist posted:all this is actually bad ??? I mean you can just roll with the desktop manager your distro ships with. You don't have to do anything to it. Gnome especially isn't even that flexible for tweaking, so if your distro ships with that you do get a more locked down experience like you, personally, want. You just have the option to tweak it however you want however.
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Feb 17, 2021 15:21
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hbag posted:man the holy trinity of Linux is —help, man, and Google
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Nitrousoxide posted:??? yeah that's all well and good except that any time somebody suggests implementing some new system infrastructure that didn't exist in the 1980s you get a horde of beard-and-suspenderlords crying about how  Linux is all about choice (for them, not for people who want out-of-the-box poo poo to work without having to do the exact same janitoring that anybody else would have to do in that situation)for an example of this look at literally anything the Debian project tries to do. Debian sadly is not exactly a fringe distribution. Because it is very important that linux users have the choice to use a HURD or FreeBSD kernel, you see, much more important than it is for servers to be able to reliably supervise and terminate service processes.
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Feb 17, 2021 15:40
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Sapozhnik posted:yeah that's all well and good except that any time somebody suggests implementing some new system infrastructure that didn't exist in the 1980s you get a horde of beard-and-suspenderlords crying about how the entire point of debian is to be a bulletproof, outdated piece of poo poo. thats its niche. Its like a step above slackware. if you want a rolling release that gives you all the instability of the bleeding edge foss community, maybe you could have run fedora and basked in your uptime going to poo poo because you just had to have the fotm alternative for some core system module. there is literally nothing wrong with dbus. of all the issues you can have with linux's frankenstein "muh freedom of choice" system infrastructure, how is reliable process control one of them?
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why you think its dbus he talks about
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Dont Touch ME posted:If you want a rolling release that gives you all the instability of the bleeding edge foss community, maybe you could have run fedora and basked in your uptime going to poo poo because you just had to have the fotm alternative for some core system module. I used Fedora from 22 to 33 without once encountering an issue other than Nvidia drivers (which I diched as soon as AMD drivers were shoved into the mainline kernel.) I never once formatted either. What in the gently caress are you talking about? Fedora isn't a rolling release either. Perhaps you meant Arch?
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Feb 17, 2021 18:33
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Tankakern posted:why you think its dbus he talks about Because i assume hes not just talking about auto-restarting services when they die or emit an error, but his actual usecase is some hosed up complex communication between services and a handler. DoomTrainPhD posted:I used Fedora from 22 to 33 without once encountering an issue other than Nvidia drivers (which I diched as soon as AMD drivers were shoved into the mainline kernel.) Im just a dumbass who thinks rawhide is a rolling release. Fedora is great, ive been running it since 25 myself on my personal machines, but I wouldnt run it on a production server. In the same breath I wouldnt run debian or centos as a desktop os. The thought of running something like arch or void in production is making me poo poo my pants lol. If somebody is struggling to manage processes out of the box in debian, it would be funny as gently caress to watch them try to wrangle that mess. "Yeah boss whole network is down, pacman hosed up the configs again~"
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Dont Touch ME posted:Because i assume hes not just talking about auto-restarting services when they die or emit an error, but his actual usecase is some hosed up complex communication between services and a handler. I'm trying to run an Arch based distro for my personal machine. Every day I get new and exiting ways that applications break or start core dumping. I'll probably end up going to Fedora as well once this Manjaro install shits itself after a week of package updates as well.
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Dont Touch ME posted:Because i assume hes not just talking about auto-restarting services when they die or emit an error, but his actual usecase is some hosed up complex communication between services and a handler. in both of your posts you assume lots of weird things why you think he uses rawhide it's almost like you're trying to construct an argument out of thin air
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Feb 17, 2021 19:29
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Nitrousoxide posted:I'm trying to run an Arch based distro for my personal machine. Every day I get new and exiting ways that applications break or start core dumping. Use Ubuntu LTS + ZFS if you want a boring but stable experience.
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Nitrousoxide posted:I'm trying to run an Arch based distro for my personal machine. Every day I get new and exiting ways that applications break or start core dumping. System stability? That's bloat  I used Manjaro for like a month, about 5 years ago. It was okay, but I quickly swapped back to Xubuntu because I loving hated pacman. Later that year I hopped again to Fedora and never looked back. It's a good system, I do recommend it.
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Feb 17, 2021 19:48
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debian in the streets, fedora in the sheets “shouldnt admit you have a scat/diaper fetish” is an appropriate dunk here
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Share Bear posted:debian in the streets, fedora in the sheets is there something you want to tell us champ
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Share Bear posted:debian in the streets, fedora in the sheets It used to be: CentOS in the street, Fedora in the sheets. Then IBM hosed everything up. Friendship ended with RedHat-based distros, now Debian-based distros are my new best friend.
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DoomTrainPhD posted:Use Ubuntu LTS + ZFS if you want a boring but stable experience. Really wish ZFS was more popular of a file system. Dont Touch ME posted:System stability? That's bloat I really like the IDEA of the repos Manjaro Pacman (and by extension Pacmac) supports. 1: Bleeding edge Arch, can be flipped on with a toggle in Pacmac. Defaults to off 2: "Beta Arch" that is a few days delayed to let critical system breaking bugs be found by other canaries first. Also defaulted to off but can be turned on. 3: Manjaro release that is delayed by a week or two but where the issues bugs found in 1 and 2 are found and fixed first. 4: AUR the regular Arch AUR with whatever the Trusted Users have voted to put up there. Also allows the automation of build processes for apps that don't have binaries for the git repos scripts that people have placed on there. I've basically not found an app yet that I've had to go outside of the AUR to do a git clone and git build of myself manually. 5: Flatpack support and integrating the results from the the Flatpack store into a Pacmac search. 6: Snap if you have to fall back to that, though this is an absolute last resort.
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Tankakern posted:dont use zfs ZFS is good.
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Tankakern posted:dont use zfs mods?!?
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it'll never be upstream and it has many dumb caveats, dont touch it with a ten foot pole
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Tankakern posted:it'll never be upstream and it has many dumb caveats, don't touch it with a ten-foot pole I've used it for almost a year now and it works fine?
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DoomTrainPhD posted:I've used it for almost a year now and it works fine? I can't believe how your computer exploded after partitioning your drive in ZFS.
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Tankakern posted:it'll never be upstream and it has many dumb caveats, dont touch it with a ten foot pole It's not upstream because of licensing issues. What are the other caveats?
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Never used ZFS with Linux, but it's worked excellently on FreeBSD. It will probably be moved upstream the moment the patents expire and a GPL reimplementation is ready.
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xtal posted:It's not upstream because of licensing issues. What are the other caveats? You're talking to the btrfs fan, so a filesystem being upstream is like, the single most important factor, nevermind anything else about data integrity, performance, or reliability. (Or the open acknowledgement that it should never have been accepted upstream)
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Dont Touch ME posted:Never used ZFS with Linux, but it's worked excellently on FreeBSD. It will probably be moved upstream the moment the patents expire and a GPL reimplementation is ready. Shouldn't the patent run out this year actually, at least in the USA? The initial closed source development was in 2001.
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random shot to see if anyone knows what the gently caress is causing this I’m trying to reconfigure IP address on a security onion box. it has 4 interfaces, eth0 thru 3, with eth3 being my management interface that gets an ip it’s current ip is 192.168.11.10 and I just need to change the subnet to .0.10 I’ve tried setting it in /etc/network/interfaces and via the SO setup. on reboot the system gets the correct ip for about a minute and then reverts to the .11.10 address. the interfaces file contains the correct ip but an ifconfig command reveals the wrong loving ip. is there somewhere else I should try to stop it from reverting? this box doesn’t have internet, there is no dhcp server in the environment, etc. phone posting because I threw my laptop out the window but I can go get it and post screenshots if necessary
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Fart Sandwiches posted:random shot to see if anyone knows what the gently caress is causing this What distribution does onion run? Do you have any other network configuration daemons like NetworkManager or netplan? You may want to do some sanity checks. Are all the ethernet hardware IDs unique? Do those IDs appear in any configuration files? Check /var files for clues as well.
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Fart Sandwiches posted:random shot to see if anyone knows what the gently caress is causing this use systemd-networkd
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Nitrousoxide posted:Shouldn't the patent run out this year actually, at least in the USA? The initial closed source development was in 2001. this is the first id ever heard that patent(s) is the issues, i thought the zfs code was licensed under the cddl which is not compatible with the gplv2 of the linux kernel so zfs cannot be upstreamed
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Lysidas posted:this is the first id ever heard that patent(s) is the issues, i thought the zfs code was licensed under the cddl which is not compatible with the gplv2 of the linux kernel so zfs cannot be upstreamed Once the patents expire someone can make a GPL version of it that can be upstreamed. Arguably that's just btrfs?
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Lysidas posted:this is the first id ever heard that patent(s) is the issues, i thought the zfs code was licensed under the cddl which is not compatible with the gplv2 of the linux kernel so zfs cannot be upstreamed When the patent expires than its license becomes irrelevant because there's no legal right to stop someone from using it. Now I'm not a patent lawyer, so there may be later versions of ZFS that would still be under patent. But at least the earlier versions of ZFS would stop being protected and could be developed under a GPL license.
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