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FalloutFan56 posted:Chaos wars? Is he a guest character in another game or am I completely off? It's another game, largely famous for its extremely mediocre translation and worse voice acting
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# ? May 31, 2024 23:44 |
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I was wondering when that was going to come up in this thread.
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Specifically, Chaos Wars is a big mash up of characters from different games and companies. I don't even know why they decided to throw all these characters in together other than that they're RPG characters.
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Shadow Hearts is so goddamn goofy that stuff like this stands out a lot, so it's p drat memorable
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Ishimura still has the picture of himself and Ben Hyuga posing with Kawashima on his wall and I don't know if that's ![]() ![]()
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Id be angry. Betraying his friends so he can wage preemptive war on everyone? Thats a few more kicks between the ribs, minimum. Itd have been easier to accept if he didnt understand or cared about the weight of his actions, but he chose otherwise. His whole speech before he gets a kicking of his life amounts to "I had no choice" Rigged Death Trap fucked around with this message at 12:18 on Mar 19, 2021 |
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Episode CX: Mistakes of the Past![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Roger trots towards Yuri. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Karin departs as Roger strolls up and sits beside Yuri. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Music: ICARO (Piano Arrangement) ~ Main Theme ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Music: ENDS ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() OLD Music: ALICE ![]() ![]() ![]() Music: ENDS ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Roger stands up and stretches. ![]() ![]() ![]() Music: Relaxation Mood ~ Relief ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Music: ENDS ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Yuri jumps to his feet. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Music: Serious Mood ~ Unrest ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Music: ENDS ![]() JESUS loving H CHRIST! What the gently caress is wrong with you, Roger Bacon?! I thought you were supposed to be the smart one in this gang of misfit dipshits! That is the worst possible idea you can ever have to get Yuri over his depression! Using the Émigré Manuscript has a near 100% track record of being a colossally bad idea. ESPECIALLY, when bringing back the dead proper like. The best results so far have been Kato creating Ouka. But she was just a clone that looked (with enhancements) and sounded like Yoshiko Kawashima and not actually the real person brought back to life. And even then she just ended up dying as well sending Kato into pure "gently caress it, going to destroy the planet" levels of over this poo poo depression. And that's the most successful use of the Émigré magic to date! If you need a series refresher, the two we've seen the Émigré Manuscript directly used to resurrect a loved one the results were: ![]() ![]() In Koudelka, after a year of abducting prostitutes and murdering passing Welsh people as sacrifices, Patrick Heyworth managed to resurrect his dead, Elaine! Well, just her body... Didn't quite get the soul returned to a mortal vessel part down... In fact, she turned into a ghost. So the result of the body itself was just a magically infused, animalistic flesh golem that could contort into a nightmare creature. It immediately killed Patrick and anyone else that ventured near. It eventually turned into an unstoppable giant bug monster that literally needs divine intervention from Capital G God to Rapture it out of existence. Conclusion: This is an insanely bad idea! ![]() In the original Shadow Hearts, a Dr. Jack in London couldn't get over the death of his mother in a very Norman Bates kind of way. Luckily, he got his hands on the Émigré Document from a helpful passing dapper warlock. He then opened an orphanage in order to collect enough stray children as sacrifices to mash into a biopaste in a massive cauldron to resurrect his mother. Yeah... that turned into a soulless giant bug monster composed of orphan biomass... Oh and the guy that performed the ritual struck up the ire of Yuri and his previous band and got punched to death. But not before seeing the monster mash version of his mom and it getting punched to death too. But surely, the third time is the charm! There is no way we would have to face a grim insectoid revenant of Alice Elliot's corpse. Roger Bacon is a professional. We probably won't have to murder dozens of abducted prostitutes or orphans to bring back Alice! Meanwhile, at the Fountain of Sukune... ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Music: Relaxation Mood ~ Relief ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Music: Past ~ Personal History ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Saki uses Instant Transmission to reach clear across the shrine cavern to walk up to Karen. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Saki hands Karin a picture. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() We only get to see the back of the photo for now. It's going to be really embarrassing for Yuri when it turns out he used to be one of those people that were fugly as sin when they were young children and had a big glow up after they hit puberty. ![]() ![]() ![]() Music: Field of God-Dog ~ Village of The Dog God ![]() Well, that was kind of a strange talk. Speaking of strange, the game dumps us at the far end of the path to the Fountain of Sukune. This would lead one to believe we were meant to guide Yuri over to the shrine as that's where the previous scene with Karin ended. But, nope. That place is empty. Karin and the others have already returned to the fold. ![]() Indeed, there is absolutely nothing to do in the village but leave. I'm not sure why the game didn't just dump us back on the world map. In any event, that concludes our adventures in Azabu Kamiyashiki. Now onward back to vague points in Europe to set out on performing the worst possible idea ever! ![]() ![]() That was a fairly short but eventful chapter. And we do have some new entries in the ol' Library. Monster: ![]() "Guys. I ran out of juice. I'm stuck in here. Can someone get me out of this thing? Guys?" Of mention, we have defeated the entire Iron Soldiers faction. They're in the defunct villainy pile with Sapientes Gladio. Kato's vague world-threatening plans and Operation: Dumbasses Resurrect Yuri's Girlfriend are the only outlying issues. ![]() I like to think the top of it is just jutting out of the ground at a park with kids climbing over it like a jungle gym. Character: ![]() Kosuke Ishimura, the bed wetter, joins General Heimann from the Prologue to the game as one of two characters who have an out-of-cutscene lower poly model and character portrait that are NEVER used outside their Library entries. We never see this dweeby child or his grandfather ever again. ![]() ![]() Video: Episode 110 Highlight Reel (You should click here for The Bad Idea Zone™) ![]() ![]() I do believe we have met every significant named character in the game now. So check out this cute collection of doodle stickers. To get our minds off the TERRIBLE goddamn ideas going down in the plot at the moment. The Dark Id fucked around with this message at 02:50 on Mar 21, 2021 |
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That sticker with Yuri and Alice is adorable. Clearly a scene from the future when this resurrection goes flawlessly.
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I like that Rasputin doesn't even rate a sticker.
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Goddrat Roger, in 700 years have you never had to deal with someone that's going through some issues? You don't offer to resurrect the dead via almost-certainly-catastrophic forbidden magics every time someone needs to deal with emotions. I'm starting to think falling back to Earth from the Moon all those times knocked something loose in his head.
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Yuri in deeply emotionally troubled state planning to use the magical that has resulted in nothing but horrible supernatural tragedies until this point to resurrect his dead girlfriend?Yeah, this is going to end well.
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The Dark Id posted:I like to think the top of it is just jutting out of the ground at a park with kids climbing over it like a jungle gym. ![]() Wouldn't be the only Japanese robot to do that.
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To be fair, Yuri wasn't going to do it until suddenly the usually irresponsible in a responsible way Roger stepped in. By the way, remember it's Roger that told Koudelka and company 'lol, this rite was never for bringing people back, the Fomors used it to make mindless labor slaves, it can't work at all'. HE SHOULD KNOW BETTER.
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Lenny and Veronica! I remember Lenny and Veronica! From back in the relatively-cheerful times!
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ImpAtom posted:
Ah, Trider G7. (I only know this from Super Robot Wars).
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Oh that's in Tryder? So that's what Billy's mech was referencing in Xenogears!
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What really makes Operation Resurrect Alice screwed up IMHO is they're putting Operation Stop Kato on hold for it. What if the world blows up while we're working on a really bad idea?
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No, see, Roger's on to something. If you take two catastrophically terrible ideas and ram them into each other at sufficient velocity, they'll cancel out harmlessly and just leave everyone scratching their heads trying to remember what they came into the Inadvisable Ritual Room for. It's science!
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Ha ha, no way Yuri's THAT brash or stupid enough-- OH poo poo ROGER, WHAT ARE YOU DOING?! ![]()
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achtungnight posted:What really makes Operation Resurrect Alice screwed up IMHO is they're putting Operation Stop Kato on hold for it. What if the world blows up while we're working on a really bad idea? Kato at the very least left a Bond villain clue, saying that the Emigre fuckery will reveal some part of his master plan. On the other hand in the last adventure, back when Yuri was a lot dumber, there's no excuse for him and the team chilling out doing sidequests while Albert was off making phone calls to some Lovecraftian abomination.
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I haven't played past this part (last thing I remember with any clarity is the ship dungeon), but Yuri is a rational guy. If this goes forward, he'll come to his senses. Even the most rational person falls prey to their emotions now and then, and Yuri's been through more than most, even by RPG standards
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We can throw the inevitable horribly monstrous creature that we're a out to create at Kato and solve two problems at once
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Hoo boy this is a terrible idea, also can Roger fight, has he ever been like a secret boss or something? How would he stop Yuri if (ha!) things go south?
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Considering Yuri's luck, I'm guessing the Alice-monstrosity will have just enough of her soul to end up taking the Mistletoe curse in Yuri's place. Yuri will have to live knowing his girlfriend sacrificed herself for his sake for the same thing twice over.
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zealouscub posted:Hoo boy this is a terrible idea, also can Roger fight, has he ever been like a secret boss or something? How would he stop Yuri if (ha!) things go south?
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Hey, maybe Roger of all people, having read the uncut version of the Emigre, knows how to do it “properly”. It’s stated he removed the section on immortality, but maybe he hosed with the other parts, too? Or maybe they stop at the “create a body” part. e: also everyone else needed to murk a load of scrubs to accumulate Malice, whereas Yuri's been stomping trash mobs all game. His necklace is a nice, shiny resurrection-red! Lunar Suite fucked around with this message at 12:53 on Mar 20, 2021 |
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Roger. What the gently caress!? ![]()
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The Dark Id posted:Roger Bacon is a profession.
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The Dark Id posted:
To me, this line together with the rest of the exhange implies that Roger is looking to prove he's a better wizard than all the others who've tried the ritual and failed. Maybe that's just me, though.
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Lunar Suite posted:Hey, maybe Roger of all people, having read the uncut version of the Emigre, knows how to do it “properly”. It’s stated he removed the section on immortality, but maybe he hosed with the other parts, too? The body creation is not the hard bit Its the not having the body get possessed by a murderous eldritch demon anathema to all life. Also I like the Large Bad Idea Collider theorem.
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I'm starting to think the destroy all life in the active vicinity part of the actual ritual for immortality that Roger used was an unforeseen side effect not even the original Emigre text alluded to. Something like boiling wolf's bane and the bark of an oak tree in your own piss accidentally results in some magic bullshit that most wizards wouldn't even have begun to think of while your own life is spared in the process. And the whole human sacrifice parts of the resurrection ritual might be something he added as troll bait. To the trained eye, it'd read like some mediocre edgelord wizard's ramblings, his own little way of trying to tell real warlocks to stay the gently caress away, and anyone crazy enough to actually do it would eventually get themselves caught due to their incompetence and if that didn't happen, at least the abomination monster would make short work of them after.
Shitenshi fucked around with this message at 05:35 on Mar 21, 2021 |
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the sacrifices are for collecting Malice, which is a deeply dangerous but potent energy source. Malice is 100% necessary for doing poo poo like piercing the veil between death & life or summoning ancient primordial entities. Yuri's been collecting the stuff from killing trash mobs the whole game, so if they did do a ritual there wouldn't be any need for killing a bunch more people.
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Also, didn't Nicolai just release the Vatican's Although I doubt it'll come to an actual resurrection, considering Karin is the Designated Love Interest for this game. Most likely they'll get a Speak With Dead where Alice's ghost shows up for long enough to help with the Mistletoe Curse or some part of the Kato Situation and then tell him to let go of his grief and be happy or something like that before fading away again.
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If there's one thing I appreciate about this, it's that Roger is actually willing to do it for Yuri. Like, I got the feeling throughout the first two games that Roger was too old to give more than a basic level of a gently caress (that being "yeah, the end of the world is probably bad"). But like, at this point he clearly cares a hell of a lot about Yuri if he's even considering doing this.
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ultrafilter posted:To me, this line together with the rest of the exhange implies that Roger is looking to prove he's a better wizard than all the others who've tried the ritual and failed. Maybe that's just me, though. There's also the fact he's not doing it for himself, unlike all the previous people who've tried using the manuscript. Whether that will matter any, who knows, magic is a fickle beast
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Ah, come on guys what's the worst that could happen? I mean yes, it doesn't have a good track record but surely this time it'll work right? ...I really hope Alice's ghost shows up and tells him this is a bad idea. I also now know what Chaos Wars is and it's both hilarious and hard to watch.
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I mean, he *is* the guy who translated the drat thing to start with, that does give him a leg up on his competition.
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FalloutFan56 posted:Ah, come on guys what's the worst that could happen? I mean yes, it doesn't have a good track record but surely this time it'll work right? ...I really hope Alice's ghost shows up and tells him this is a bad idea. I streamed Chaos Wars for charity once and its worst sin is that it's extremely boring. It plays like a low-rent Phantom Brave.
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FalloutFan56 posted:Ah, come on guys what's the worst that could happen? ![]()
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# ? May 31, 2024 23:44 |
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FalloutFan56 posted:Ah, come on guys what's the worst that could happen? I mean yes, it doesn't have a good track record but surely this time it'll work right? ...I really hope Alice's ghost shows up and tells him this is a bad idea.
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