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I’ve only now got back into reading any of this stuff, and I started with thread recommendation the Carrion Throne. Holy poo poo, WH40k fiction that isn’t awful! Shaken to my core by the horrible apprehension.
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Are there any essential Dark Angels books in 40k? I'm reading through some Horus Heresy stuff right now and LOVING it.
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Mar 24, 2021 13:27
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I know that this is an extremely minor quibble but: by the emperor the "free drinks" and "drinks on my tab" lines from the opening of Ravenor 2 piss me off. E: Also “special condition” status makes no sense and adds nothing to the narrative. Schadenboner fucked around with this message at 14:17 on Mar 24, 2021 |
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Mar 24, 2021 14:00
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Schadenboner posted:E: Also “special condition” status makes no sense and adds nothing to the narrative. I think it's just a fig leaf to head off any "Why not ask for backup from the rest of the Inquisition?" stuff.
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Mar 24, 2021 14:35
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Fearless posted:I got it, should I be worried?
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Mar 24, 2021 14:57
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Inspector_666 posted:I think it's just a fig leaf to head off any "Why not ask for backup from the rest of the Inquisition?" stuff. I guess I feel like "We're going after the sub-sector governor who is connected up to he eyeballs" is already a valid reason to keep it quiet though? SC would have made a lot more sense if it were introduced in the Eisenhorn books but by the time the Ravenors were coming out Eisenhorn (and the late lamented =I= 54 game) had pretty well set the canon for inquisitors being essentially always SC unless they choose otherwise making it unnecessary? 
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Mar 24, 2021 15:01
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Arcsquad12 posted:Mam'zel I like how Wraight managed to abbreviate that even further in Bloodlines into Mzl.
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Mar 24, 2021 16:10
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Schadenboner posted:I guess I feel like "We're going after the sub-sector governor who is connected up to he eyeballs" is already a valid reason to keep it quiet though? I think the idea was less "I'm working on a big case" and more "This case may involve people high up in positions of authority and I don't want to accidentally alarm them/I'm dealing with something outside of the Imperium and/or our Ordos' area". I thought he didn't invoke SC until after it turned out that it was more than just a new type of drug that was somehow connected to Chaos.
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Mar 24, 2021 16:20
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Cooked Auto posted:I like how Wraight managed to abbreviate that even further in Bloodlines into Mzl. French is... a language[sic].
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Mar 24, 2021 16:28
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Schadenboner posted:I guess I feel like "We're going after the sub-sector governor who is connected up to he eyeballs" is already a valid reason to keep it quiet though? The first Eisenhorn book also established that some inquisitors go in all sneaky undercover 007, while others think that you're barely an inquisitor if you don't go around windmill slamming your rosette into everybody's face. My favourite moment from that book is when the then-heroic protagonist doing the action film routine 'I will infiltrate the enemy base under the cover of night!' only manages to get himself captured (surviving only because this is early-00's pulp fiction so the bad guys put him into a poorly-secured bloodsport arena instead of executing him - but I digress), and has to have his rear end saved by the old, curmudgeonly, prejudiced, narrow-minded puritan inquisitor who does not hesitate a second before ringing up the nearest Lord Admiral and requisitioning a bunch of warships to wipe out the most powerful noble family on the planet from orbit. NihilCredo fucked around with this message at 16:41 on Mar 24, 2021 |
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Mar 24, 2021 16:39
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Schadenboner posted:I guess I feel like "We're going after the sub-sector governor who is connected up to he eyeballs" is already a valid reason to keep it quiet though? Have you read the short story, Perihelion? I think he accidentally made it into a bigger deal than it needed to be, at first the Special Condition thing was described as basically just not answering his emails, but then he handed himself in and confessed his radical ways (including consorting with Eldar Farseers and learning their sorcery) when he probably could have just made up an excuse or lied. Their usual performance improvement plan is a lot worse than Ravenor's punishment (a desk job and a ban on psyker powers), they still respect him but they're trying to force him to go after Eisenhorn, which he refuses to do for many years (until Pariah). The Ordo Xenos probably rolls their eyes at Eldar poo poo anyway, I bet at least half of the jury of his peers had Eldar contacts or technology, but you're meant to keep that private.
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Mar 24, 2021 17:01
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I always felt the special condition status was 99% a thematic thing to show Ravenor's increasing break from the inquisition itself. It's the stepping stone before being actually "rogue".
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Mar 24, 2021 17:15
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Yeah a big theme is "where is The Line? Have I crossed it? Would I know if I had?" and Special Condition is very "it's easier to ask for forgiveness than permission". He probably did cross the line, but he considered himself accountable for it unlike Eisenhorn, and was ultimately forgiven. Then you get Gaunt quoting him hundreds of years later. I think Special Condition helped him be a good foil for Eisenhorn. Brendan Rodgers fucked around with this message at 17:34 on Mar 24, 2021 |
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Mar 24, 2021 17:29
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Eisenhorn kills other inquisitors who come after him. He went completely off the deep end, he's just not a hideous warp mutant (yet.)
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Mar 24, 2021 17:37
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I think it being a theme in the trilogy is a pretty fair point (also =I= PIP  ) but it being such a formalized thing rather than just "sometimes they do like this" bugged me.
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Mar 24, 2021 17:39
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Beefeater1980 posted:I’ve only now got back into reading any of this stuff, and I started with thread recommendation the Carrion Throne. Read The Hollow Mountain, then Watchers of the Throne, and then Regent's Shadow. Chris Wraight is in my opinion easily the best author they got.
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Mar 24, 2021 17:45
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wiegieman posted:Eisenhorn kills other inquisitors who come after him. He went completely off the deep end, he's just not a hideous warp mutant (yet.) If there's not at least one Inquisitor hunting you down, you've probably just started out in the job and haven't pissed anyone off yet. Even puritans regularly kill Inquisitors who are trying to stop them, like Covenant. The only check on an Inquisitor is another Inquisitor, so they probably kill each other more than external enemies. There would be many factions in the Inquisition that would consider The Keeler Image worth killing an Ordo Hereticus killteam, if Eisenhorn were to seek their support. I think it's the daemon stuff that puts him off the deep end. Brendan Rodgers fucked around with this message at 18:21 on Mar 24, 2021 |
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Mar 24, 2021 18:16
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Randalor posted:I think the idea was less "I'm working on a big case" and more "This case may involve people high up in positions of authority and I don't want to accidentally alarm them/I'm dealing with something outside of the Imperium and/or our Ordos' area". I thought he didn't invoke SC until after it turned out that it was more than just a new type of drug that was somehow connected to Chaos.
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Mar 24, 2021 18:59
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Just attempted to read Swords of Calth after reading Saturnine, Pariah and Penitent. LOL Sure it would be perfectly acceptable bolter porn if I hadn't just read those. But coming to it after those. No, just no. Time to hit my backlog of non BL stuff for a few weeks I think.
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Deptfordx posted:Just attempted to read Swords of Calth after reading Saturnine, Pariah and Penitent.  This is about a puritan Inquisitor who is very different to Eisenhorn, and it's set in the Psychic Awakening era of the 42nd millenium, with everything that comes with that, including some of the themes touched upon in those other books you mentioned. It goes well with the rest, as another look at the Inquisition, and also advances that meta-lore hinted at in the Horus Heresy. For people who don't care about spoilers and just want the lore: We don't have the third book in the trilogy yet, but it's very possible that the Emperor is trying to ressurect into various Alpha Plus psykers, but keeps failing, it calls back to those "Meanwhile, in the Warp..." scenes we see in Siege of Terra. It's like the Emperor is a childlike naive being that doesn't understand what it is, but is running from 4 extremely powerful hooded beings in a desert in the warp. Brendan Rodgers fucked around with this message at 19:59 on Mar 24, 2021 |
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Mar 24, 2021 19:43
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Pretty funny that the two lads on the left there are also figures from the 54mm Inquisitor game that spawned Eisenhorn.
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Mar 24, 2021 21:58
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Arquinsiel posted:Pretty funny that the two lads on the left there are also figures from the 54mm Inquisitor game that spawned Eisenhorn. I54 is the most successful failure in GW's history in terms of the tone and content it set, IMO.
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Mar 24, 2021 22:51
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I don't usually do AoS/WFB stuff but I listened to Dark Harvest on an impulse and was q.impressed. Really nailed the atmospheric terror of a swamp and poo poo?
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Mar 25, 2021 00:12
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Arquinsiel posted:Pretty funny that the two lads on the left there are also figures from the 54mm Inquisitor game that spawned Eisenhorn. All three of them, here's the third, the Rogue Trader Duke Cleander von Castellan: 
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Mar 25, 2021 00:15
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He's posed differently, which is why I didn't instantly clock him. The other two are literally just "here is the miniature".Schadenboner posted:I54 is the most successful failure in GW's history in terms of the tone and content it set, IMO.
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Mar 25, 2021 02:42
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Arquinsiel posted:Pretty funny that the two lads on the left there are also figures from the 54mm Inquisitor game that spawned Eisenhorn. Pretty sure the central guy's model was the inspiration for Ravenor. Long black hair and shoulder mounted psycannon are both as Ravenor is described pre-boxing.
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Mar 25, 2021 09:03
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Arquinsiel posted:He's posed differently, which is why I didn't instantly clock him. The other two are literally just "here is the miniature". Having painted that 54mm Space Marine, I can say that it was an absolute joy and easily in my top three favourite miniatures I ever painted. GW could make piles of money with 54mm miniatures released as showcase models today.
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Mar 25, 2021 09:15
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My penultimate Warhammer painting dream is getting a crack at doing the Jena Orechiel figure from that line. But it is so much a pipedream because it's an I54 model.
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https://www.warhammer-community.com/2021/03/25/is-altar-of-wrath-the-most-photorealistic-warhammer-animation-yet
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Arquinsiel posted:He's posed differently, which is why I didn't instantly clock him. The other two are literally just "here is the miniature". I54 basically created the way we think about "normal" life in the 40k universe, especially comparing it to Necromunda (the other product that deals with civilian* life in-universe). But I don't think that I54 succeeded as a product line especially well? They didn't even do a "So long and thanks for all the fish" sign-off in the last edition of Exterminatus.  *: 
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Biplane posted:Read The Hollow Mountain, then Watchers of the Throne, and then Regent's Shadow. Chris Wraight is in my opinion easily the best author they got. The hollow mountain is one of the better uses of a throw away line in a codex in recent memory.
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Schadenboner posted:I54 basically created the way we think about "normal" life in the 40k universe, especially comparing it to Necromunda (the other product that deals with civilian* life in-universe). But I don't think that I54 succeeded as a product line especially well? Fearless posted:Having painted that 54mm Space Marine, I can say that it was an absolute joy and easily in my top three favourite miniatures I ever painted. GW could make piles of money with 54mm miniatures released as showcase models today.
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Mar 25, 2021 22:53
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Gideon a poo poo. Carl did nothing wrong.
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Mar 25, 2021 23:04
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Arquinsiel posted:was also a problem with regards to terrain. How the gently caress do you build stuff on that scale that's worth your effort to build, store etc? Compared to the two mainline games and the three previous skirmish games where you could pretty much just use the same desert board for all five, and do a couple of sets of buildings to distinguish them from each other. It was totally doomed from the start as a game like virtually all of the specialist releases (RIP Battlefleet Gothic), but the models were still incredibly cool and I think stylistically speaking a huge step forward for GW. I remember thinking when it came out that the entire setting was really interesting but I hated the idea of not being able to use any of the terrain I already had scratch built for Warhammer games and essentially having to start from zero. I don't play Warhammer or 40k anymore and so don't buy miniatures but a range of 54mm miniatures of Black Library characters would definitely attract my attention. Painting Artemis was a lot of fun, I'd love to do a 54mm Aeonid Thiel or Hyperion.
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BFG kept going for a surprisingly long time given how confusing it was for Jimmy 12 year old to play. Gorkamorka, Mordheim, and to a lesser extent Necromunda all benefitted hugely from being playable on regular terrain, but also with easily available figures. ETA since I forgot earlier: Cooked Auto posted:My penultimate Warhammer painting dream is getting a crack at doing the Jena Orechiel figure from that line. But it is so much a pipedream because it's an I54 model. Arquinsiel fucked around with this message at 01:23 on Mar 26, 2021 |
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Mar 26, 2021 01:19
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Arquinsiel posted:BFG kept going for a surprisingly long time given how confusing it was for Jimmy 12 year old to play. Gorkamorka, Mordheim, and to a lesser extent Necromunda all benefitted hugely from being playable on regular terrain, but also with easily available figures. I think any re-release of BFG needs to be up-scaled to work with Adeptus Titanicus scenery.
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Mar 26, 2021 01:50
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My copy of Xenologis arrived
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Mar 26, 2021 02:15
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Nissin Cup Nudist posted:My copy of Xenologis arrived Mine too!  It's really good so far. I love the background books and I've nearly got them all now, only missing one or two I think besides the HH black books. I've got all four volumes of Index Astartes on the way. 
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Mar 26, 2021 02:19
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Schadenboner posted:I think any re-release of BFG needs to be up-scaled to work with Adeptus Titanicus scenery. I cannot wait to play BFG with canoe sized models
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Nissin Cup Nudist posted:My copy of Xenologis arrived I picked mine up from UPS on the way to work today. Then I was asked to work tomorrow morning as well. I won't be able to look at it until tomorrow night. So it's either Xenologis or a box full of scorpions, knowing my luck.
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