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PJOmega posted:I read the first mistborn because it was touted as a magical heist book and it really ended up being not that. Any suggestions in that vein? Lies of Locke Lamora similarly failed to deliver. The Second Book of Swords by Fred Saberhagen is a magical heist against a massive underground temple treasury defended by secrecy, spells, dragons, and demons.
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Apparatchik Magnet posted:The Second Book of Swords by Fred Saberhagen is a magical heist against a massive underground temple treasury defended by secrecy, spells, dragons, and demons. ...do you have to read the first book to appreciate/follow the second book?
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You don't but you should. Book of swords series is fun.
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Oh dear, the 2M subscriber Pixer/Harry Potter focused Carlin brothers channel are now promoting Rothfuss as good https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJ9B3_jMFkY "In the second book there are some amorous situations to be aware of, they aren't like horribly explicate but they are there" 
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Mar 26, 2021 18:24
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Write the book, Rothfuss.
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Mar 26, 2021 18:32
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M_Gargantua posted:Oh dear, the 2M subscriber Pixer/Harry Potter focused Carlin brothers channel are now promoting Rothfuss as good The man spends chapters and chapters loving in the second book
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Mar 26, 2021 20:10
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Terror Sweat posted:The man spends chapters and chapters loving in the second book It’s like a major character “arc” development too. It’s actually very incel-esque that of all sudden women know “this guy is a sex haver”
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pseudanonymous posted:It’s like a major character “arc” development too. It’s actually very incel-esque that of all sudden women know “this guy is a sex haver” ... which Rothfuss communicates by having a bawdy, saucy tavern wench notice Kvothe’s sudden Big Dick Energy after he returns from his intensive, magical Sex Boot Camp in Faerie.
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Mar 26, 2021 22:42
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Chicken Butt posted:This is actually one of the most fascinating questions in literature. Some of the great literary works in history have been the result of a genius sitting down, writing something, and handing it over to be published, already a perfect jewel. Much more common, though, is the classic situation of a grizzled older editor with a good grasp of what sells, and what plays well with literary critics, guiding a young, neophyte writer to sculpt a promising but unruly mass of confusing plot, awkward metaphors, and under-realized characters into something sharp and memorable. Interesting read from the blog. There's still some unaccounted for stuff like the referenced scene where Kvothu molests an underage sex trafficking victim though which, on top of being weird and disgusting, reads as drastically out of place. It wasn't edited to fit in with the rest of the book. I do remember once reading a blog post from the woman who wrote The Princess Diaries. When her first book was accepted by a publisher it went into the editing process. It was a historical romance. The author recounted that her editor sent her back a print manuscript that was covered with notes about historical inaccuracies that needed to be corrected. Since it was the author's first book she felt deeply injured by this which resulted in her tearing all the notes off and sending it back as is. Apparently the book was published as-is with minimal edits and to this day it still gets dragged for being historically inaccurate. Considering how prideful Rothfuss is about his writing """"technique"""" such as it is, I wonder if his editor tried to correct his mistakes but he refused to change anything. I suppose it could be a case of the publisher going "lol okay" and just letting it be published. It's not like the hardcore fans are particularly discerning so it doesn't impact sales in a negative way.
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HIJK posted:Interesting read from the blog. There's still some unaccounted for stuff like the referenced scene where Kvothu molests an underage sex trafficking victim though which, on top of being weird and disgusting, reads as drastically out of place. It wasn't edited to fit in with the rest of the book. I've heard the stories of famous authors/poets who submit their latest work but forget to add a letterhead, so it goes to a random editor who rejects it outright with notes like amateur, unpublishable etc. so there's probably a massive amount of nepotism and power of the gatekeeper that goes into getting a book published. Social factors probably weigh heavily in decisions as well. Rothfuss comes up a lot as this fantasy god-emperor off two books, but N.K Jemisin got her first book published one year before Wise Man Fear came out, and wrote the Broken Earth trilogy in three years becoming the first person ever to win the Hugo three consecutive years in a row. Meanwhile she talks on twitter how she can't even get meetings to discuss tv/movie deals while Kingkiller was getting LMM and major studio buzz AND wasn't even able to quit her full time job until she set up a patreon AFTER almost finishing her second book trilogy. I'm not qwhite sure what the difference is, but I'm sure r/kingkiller would have a ton of "well actuallies" primed and ready if they just didn't ban the questions on principle alone. At this point I wonder how much of the attention he gets is just an institutional presumption that he's a "good fantasy writer" based on....certain characteristics.
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The demographics for typical fantasy reader might be changing but I think Kingkiller is much more marketable to the type of people reading fantasy, especially 10 years ago, than Jemisin’s work. Kingkiller doesn’t actually challenge its readers in any way. A work that comforts and offers a power fantasy to readers will sell much better than one that discomforts them. Ccs fucked around with this message at 04:47 on Mar 27, 2021 |
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Mar 27, 2021 04:44
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I was just going to say that if you want to read about teenage sex with gods and magic then the first book of the inheritance trilogy is vastly superior and not even particularly challenging, though the second one is better.
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pentyne posted:I've heard the stories of famous authors/poets who submit their latest work but forget to add a letterhead, so it goes to a random editor who rejects it outright with notes like amateur, unpublishable etc. so there's probably a massive amount of nepotism and power of the gatekeeper that goes into getting a book published. Social factors probably weigh heavily in decisions as well. This made me laugh, makes complete sense. quote:Rothfuss comes up a lot as this fantasy god-emperor off two books, but N.K Jemisin got her first book published one year before Wise Man Fear came out, and wrote the Broken Earth trilogy in three years becoming the first person ever to win the Hugo three consecutive years in a row. Meanwhile she talks on twitter how she can't even get meetings to discuss tv/movie deals while Kingkiller was getting LMM and major studio buzz AND wasn't even able to quit her full time job until she set up a patreon AFTER almost finishing her second book trilogy. Ouch, poor Jemisin. She's put in a lot of work, she deserves better than that. If Rothfuss's crummy work can get this much acclaim then why not her?  Gee I wonder...Rothfuss must have some serious charisma or something going on, even with the geek social fallacies in play. He networks a lot
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Mar 27, 2021 05:26
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Wasn't he like buddies with the owner of a publishing house or something?
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In 2013 during a speech Jemisin pointed out 10% of the voting members of the Science Fiction and Fantasy Writers of America tried to vote in an extreme alt-right libertarian as their president. Here's a selection of his beliefs quote:I am not actively attempting to take away anyone's "most basic rights". Jemisin has it wrong, it is not that I and others do not view her as human (although genetic science presently suggests that we are not all equally homo sapiens sapiens Also known as Vox Day, and an actual advocate for the 14 words, it took her standing up to him to actually result in the SFWA being willing to expel a hardcore racist eugenics arguer and literal Nazi from their ranks. Honestly reading up more about this and seeing what actually goes on only makes me angrier that Rothfuss is so popular and has managed to go almost 15 years without working or putting in effort on anything besides what hobby he drifts to as a result of a measly two books and a cult of anticipation over him being the next Great Man author.
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Mar 27, 2021 06:14
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It's unfair, but at the end of the day it's an argument about which of two untalented writers deserves more accolades.
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porfiria posted:It's unfair, but at the end of the day it's an argument about which of two untalented writers deserves more accolades. were you so excited to take a shot at Sanderson that you didn't realize people were talking about NK Jemisin
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Patware posted:were you so excited to take a shot at Sanderson that you didn't realize people were talking about NK Jemisin No.
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porfiria posted:No. I can't tell if the bit is you think her books suck or you are trying to discount the fact that a female poc fantasy writer had/has an insanely lovely time in the industry compared to white guy of (in your opinion) equal talent. "Unfair" doesn't quite carry the weight of pointing out a successful author being told by a peer that her race is fundamentally inferior and she had to publicly call out a 2000 member org to their face before he was kicked out. pentyne fucked around with this message at 09:50 on Mar 27, 2021 |
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if Rothfuss can get 15 years of dick sucking, tv show deals, mindless praise, thousands of dollars, and 0 oversight for books about his gary stu self insert that gropes drugged children who are trafficking victims, then I think Jemisin can get someone to make a comic book adaptation of her series or something
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Hundred Thousand Kingdoms owns.
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I want a black company movie. Go crazy in the Vietnam analogues, blast fortunate son when the
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pentyne posted:Also known as Vox Day, and an actual advocate for the 14 words, it took her standing up to him to actually result in the SFWA being willing to expel a hardcore racist eugenics arguer and literal Nazi from their ranks. Holy poo poo they tried to vote in that shitbag? Jesus christ, I hadn't heard about this. That's loving horrifying, Vox Day is an absolute utter piece of garbage. Like, in addition to all that he's one of the people who launched Gamergate.
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The comparison to Jemisin is indeed depressing; the Broken Earth trilogy is so much better than Rothfuss’ books — it has interesting ideas, originality, a coherent plot, actual characters, a decent prose style ...
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Chicken Butt posted:The comparison to Jemisin is indeed depressing; the Broken Earth trilogy is so much better than Rothfuss’ books — it has interesting ideas, originality, a coherent plot, actual characters, a decent prose style ... Plus it comes from someone with a work ethic that leaves him in the loving dirt. First book trilogy 2010-2011, kept working full time as a counseling psychologist, took a gig writing NYT columns, and finally was able to focus on writing full time after setting up a Patreon in 2016. Proceed to start and finish the Broken Earth trilogy in 3 years. Got a MacArthur Genius Grant last year. She's done more in a single year of her career then he's done in 15. Like, if Rothfuss set up a patreon he'd probably get high 4 figures a month without actually doing anything but constantly going on twitch to talk about all the work he's not doing and his fanbase would gaslight themselves into keeping him paid for decades because of what he might create.
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I'm honestly starting to not hate gurm or Rothfuss for not writing. If I had a choice to not work anymore I 100% would take it too. gently caress working for a living. I'd spend my days building model airplanes or fishing or woodworking or writing a novel or something.
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Solice Kirsk posted:I'm honestly starting to not hate gurm or Rothfuss for not writing. If I had a choice to not work anymore I 100% would take it too. gently caress working for a living. I'd spend my days building model airplanes or fishing or woodworking or writing a novel or something. if you've got a gravy train, might as well ride it. the money appears to be endless
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HIJK posted:Considering how prideful Rothfuss is about his writing """"technique"""" such as it is, I wonder if his editor tried to correct his mistakes but he refused to change anything. I suppose it could be a case of the publisher going "lol okay" and just letting it be published. It's not like the hardcore fans are particularly discerning so it doesn't impact sales in a negative way. Wasn't there a post some time ago to the effect of "Rothfuss fires any reviewer who suggests changes to the prose" or am I mixing it up with a different high-on-their-farts author? pentyne posted:I'm not qwhite sure what the difference is, but I'm sure r/kingkiller would have a ton of "well actuallies" primed and ready if they just didn't ban the questions on principle alone. At this point I wonder how much of the attention he gets is just an institutional presumption that he's a "good fantasy writer" based on....certain characteristics. Kingkiller is the ultimate incel fantasy series written by that extremely creepy guy you knew in college who never groomed themselves and smelled like a hobo wrapped in used diapers. Solice Kirsk posted:I'm honestly starting to not hate gurm or Rothfuss for not writing. If I had a choice to not work anymore I 100% would take it too. gently caress working for a living. I'd spend my days building model airplanes or fishing or woodworking or writing a novel or something. It's not the lack of writing that drives the justified dislike of those two, it's the "gently caress you you're unreasonable and I do what I want" attitudes.
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I vaguely remember that Rothfuss taught for a bit and I wonder if he taught creative writing and how that went.
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Evil Fluffy posted:Wasn't there a post some time ago to the effect of "Rothfuss fires any reviewer who suggests changes to the prose" or am I mixing it up with a different high-on-their-farts author? BananaNutkins posted:At a convention, I met Kvothfuss and heard him speak. He mentioned that he has "literally" hundreds of beta readers, but he had a rule for offering feedback, and the rule is thus: Don't offer advice on the sentence or paragraph level. That's his wheelhouse. He's spent "literally" hundreds of hours pouring over every line so the read goes smoothly "like water rushing over river stones". Searching for it also found this gem Sham bam bamina! posted:Q: "Is book 3 darker than your beta readers expected?" Which also circles back to his most recent "book 3 is impossible" because he'd been repeatedly implying his elite club of beta readers are seeing his book 3 in progress, yet as of his most recent proclamation he's got nothing for book 3.
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pentyne posted:Searching for it also found this gem Good gravy what a mess. Does Gurm get himself into these situations or is he upfront about refusing to write?
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GRRM does a lot less of all the other Rothfuss bullshit, to be fair, plus he's never actually said he has a bunch of poo poo written that he doesn't. he just goes 'it's loving HARD' and eats another giant sausage as opposed to wandering to cons to try to get impressionable 20-year old fans alone in hotel rooms with him my read on how GRRM talks about this stuff is that he's legitimately trying but gets stuck and demoralized. lots of 'ok THIS time i'll FINALLY DO IT' as opposed to 'what? it's all already done, mostly done. basically done. behold my cheerios'
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Patware posted:GRRM does a lot less of all the other Rothfuss bullshit, to be fair, plus he's never actually said he has a bunch of poo poo written that he doesn't. he just goes 'it's loving HARD' and eats another giant sausage as opposed to wandering to cons to try to get impressionable 20-year old fans alone in hotel rooms with him Ah, Gurm might actually be overwhelmed and depressed and anxious. That's how that reads to me... Rothfuss might also overwhelmed, depressed, and anxious but he's also been leading people on for over a decade so uhhhh they both need to 
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pentyne posted:Searching for it also found this gem Could just be that he shopped his initial draft around with his beta readers and even they told him that he had to throw it all away. I'm not sure it's possible to express how bad the text would have had to be for even his beta readers (who presumably are people who liked the first two books) to turn against it, though.
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I don't hold any resentment towards GRRM especially now that the show ended. It seemed like his books got longer and longer and he got overwhelmed. I do hope we see his version of the ending for asoiaf before he passes away. I saw recently that HBO had to renegotiate the rights recently and GRRM got a huge payout and I was like "good for him". Rothfuss and his entire shtick can DIAF
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porfiria posted:It's unfair, but at the end of the day it's an argument about which of two untalented writers deserves more accolades. NK Jemisin is such a garbage poster on Twitter that the thought of reading her books makes me faintly queasy but even I don’t think it’s fair to compare her to an absolute sucking void of talent like Rothfuss.
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Doctor Faustine posted:NK Jemisin is such a garbage poster on Twitter that the thought of reading her books makes me faintly queasy but even I don’t think it’s fair to compare her to an absolute sucking void of talent like Rothfuss. I feel like Rothfuss's virgin nerd cringe is more amusing that Jemisin's lib cringe, but I could be wrong.
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porfiria posted:I feel like Rothfuss's virgin nerd cringe is more amusing that Jemisin's lib cringe, but I could be wrong. Oh, for sure. Rothfuss at least is fun to dunk on. I haven’t read any Jemisin and she exudes such colossal SFF Mean Girl energy on Twitter I refuse to so I can’t speak to the quality of her work.
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