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I feel like this is one of those things where Webex/MS Teams have this weird concept of "team meetings" where it will instantly summon every participant into an A/V meeting and I have never ever been in a situation where I would want to use it nor accept such a call. (It's usually someone who pressed the "Meet Now" button by accident/exploration.) Not quite the same concept but the lack of IM-ettiquite reminds me of http://nohello.org/
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My new company apparently loves the as they call it "team's summon button" so there is a powerful corporate use case for it.
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Apr 4, 2021 13:34
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Your co-worker, while possibly useless, has a far healthier and realistic attitude towards work. Thank god I have a boss who knows that unless poo poo is literally on fire, it may take me longer than 8 minutes to join an impromptu call. And if it was on fire, they’d articulate that instead of “can u join a call.” Because I’m busy, you know, working. Or in another meeting.
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Apr 4, 2021 13:35
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There’s a boomer svp that never checks calendars or makes meetings, and instead just randomly video calls people. Whenever he calls me, almost literally 100% of the time, I’m on another call. And so I’ll get the call pop up, then it’ll end and I’ll get an IM that says “oops didn’t see you were on another call! Never mind!” For a full year. Never had to do anything.
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Apr 4, 2021 13:55
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I'm so glad I don't have to respond to things immediately. If I'm feeling really keen, or it's really close to an non-extendable deadline, I might complete an urgent work request within a few days.
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Apr 4, 2021 14:39
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I had a group call this last week where a boomer was loving up and they said they were still "getting used to using Google Meet". It's been a loving year of this poo poo! Plus we had it before the pandemic. gently caress people.
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Apr 4, 2021 15:32
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SirPablo posted:I had a group call this last week where a boomer was loving up and they said they were still "getting used to using Google Meet". It's been a loving year of this poo poo! Plus we had it before the pandemic. gently caress people. They will never 'get used' to video/online call rooms. And if they do, introducing even the slightest, most intuitive change will throw them back to square one complaining about how dumb it all is and how we should go back to using conference phone calls.
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Apr 4, 2021 15:51
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Outrail posted:They will never 'get used' to video/online call rooms. And if they do, introducing even the slightest, most intuitive change will throw them back to square one complaining about how dumb it all is and how we should go back to using conference phone calls. My boss complained privately to us thank god the the vendor we were talking too was rude because all their screens and the presentation were so small he couldn't see. He also has a massive curved monitor with the resolution set so high everything is tiny. He refuses to change this or acknowledge that its a him problem despite none of us having this issue on our dual monitor setups that are smaller than his single screen.
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Apr 4, 2021 16:08
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They have lost their neuroplasticity and will die soon.
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Apr 4, 2021 16:08
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goatface posted:They have lost their neuroplasticity and will die soon. Inshallah Atticus_1354 posted:My boss complained privately to us thank god the the vendor we were talking too was rude because all their screens and the presentation were so small he couldn't see. He also has a massive curved monitor with the resolution set so high everything is tiny. He refuses to change this or acknowledge that its a him problem despite none of us having this issue on our dual monitor setups that are smaller than his single screen. 'This car is too small!' 'Sir, this is a Wendy's drive thru.' Outrail fucked around with this message at 16:22 on Apr 4, 2021 |
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Apr 4, 2021 16:16
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Put my two weeks in Friday. I am so happy. Quit and be happy with me. (A haiku)
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Apr 4, 2021 16:22
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The new company I joined has tasked me with firing the company I just left.
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Apr 4, 2021 16:59
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Spaghett posted:Put my two weeks in Friday. I did mine* on Thursday. And then took the day off. Solid. *One month notice, but same idea
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Apr 4, 2021 17:14
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Barudak posted:The new company I joined has tasked me with firing the company I just left. In a very Marie Kondo way: "Does it spark joy?"
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Tato posted:Your co-worker, while possibly useless, has a far healthier and realistic attitude towards work. Thank god I have a boss who knows that unless poo poo is literally on fire, it may take me longer than 8 minutes to join an impromptu call. And if it was on fire, they’d articulate that instead of “can u join a call.” Because I’m busy, you know, working. Or in another meeting. Fair enough but again, this coworker doesn't do anything all day. They're not busy, or working, or in another meeting, and we all know it, and we're in product support anyways so we're specifically supposed to be either working and doing things on our PCs in our home office during the day waiting for tickets and poo poo to come in. I'm 99% sure our entire department fucks around and watches YouTube when we're not working on emails or phone calls, but we're still -at the PC- and keeping an eye out. Plus, the phone push notification from Slack should be enough should someone not be at work to at least throw out a "I'll be there in 5 minutes or something". Don't get me wrong, I love not working and hope that things stay like this forever but if I was afforded the chance to sit at home all day and screw around and do nothing like she has, I'd be Johnny on the Spot with the Slack channel to at least pretend like I'm paying attention. In reality she was probably watching TV or taking a nap or something. It's easy to say it seems "healthier" but in our department and in our work-from-home situation it's really something that shouldn't happen every single time.
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Apr 4, 2021 17:41
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Spaghett posted:In a very Marie Kondo way: "Does it spark joy?" So much that its a fire hazard
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Apr 4, 2021 17:54
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Barudak posted:The new company I joined has tasked me with firing the company I just left. Absolutely living the dream. God bless ya
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Apr 4, 2021 18:26
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Barudak posted:The new company I joined has tasked me with firing the company I just left.
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Apr 4, 2021 18:38
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I've been thinking about quitting (without a new job lined up) for *months*. Definitely don't want to stick around for the summer months which are simultaneously boring and stressful (because of having to cover unfamilar tasks while others are on vacation).
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Apr 4, 2021 18:41
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Barudak posted:The new company I joined has tasked me with firing the company I just left. Sorry if this is too personal a question, but how loving erect are you at the thought?
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Switched our EMS dispatch from county/local to national. So now at the start of the day, every ambulance leaves and starts work in their county location but as the shift progresses we get further and further pulled into other counties and sometimes end up working over 5+ counties and then resources get stretched and we end up having to respond gigantic distances like being the only ambulance responding to a cardiac arrest and being 1+ hour away. Thanks ProQA and AMPDS
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Outrail posted:They will never 'get used' to video/online call rooms. And if they do, introducing even the slightest, most intuitive change will throw them back to square one complaining about how dumb it all is and how we should go back to using conference phone calls. To be fair, it's not just boomer brain. https://www.nngroup.com/articles/computer-skill-levels/ This is A Thing and it's really hard to handle.
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Apr 4, 2021 19:26
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Volmarias posted:To be fair, it's not just boomer brain. This is a really good article.  Thanks for sharing!
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Volmarias posted:To be fair, it's not just boomer brain. There's also a fairly common mentality that technology that existed when you were a kid has just always been there and is 'normal', tech that came out when you were aged in your teens/20s was exciting and new and fun and a gateway to opening up new potential, but once you hit middleage most of the new tech is newfangled and complicated and just plain unnecessary because the old way of doing things was still perfectly fine dadgummit!! Anyone's who's had to repeatedly explain how to use the new TV remote to their parents will be familiar with this mindset.
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Since work from home started my company has roled out three different conference solutions (Skype for Business, GoToMeeting, MS Teams), and our clients use at least three more. No training has been provided on any of them, and we use all of them simultaneously. I just call people in the phone if I want to talk to them.
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goatface posted:They have lost their neuroplasticity and will die soon. This may not be the thread for it, but as someone who kinda prides themselves on being able to keep up with change, etc . . . is there a way to, uh, not lose neuroplasticity? And/or attempt to retain it? Becoming An Old is probably one of my greatest fears 
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Snowglobe of Doom posted:There's also a fairly common mentality that technology that existed when you were a kid has just always been there and is 'normal', tech that came out when you were aged in your teens/20s was exciting and new and fun and a gateway to opening up new potential, but once you hit middleage most of the new tech is newfangled and complicated and just plain unnecessary because the old way of doing things was still perfectly fine dadgummit!! I'm actually starting to feel this way and it's disturbing. Perhaps civilization will last long enough for me to have a lawn to tell kids to get off of? quote:Anyone's who's had to repeatedly explain how to use the new TV remote to their parents will be familiar with this mindset. Or the most complicated, intricate, and enigmatic of tasks: programming the time on the VCR, that it might show something other than a flashing 12:00
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Rent-A-Cop posted:Since work from home started my company has roled out three different conference solutions (Skype for Business, GoToMeeting, MS Teams), and our clients use at least three more. No training has been provided on any of them, and we use all of them simultaneously. I love this when people refuse their phones and want to use one of the various chat things instead. (Thanks to how my work setup was provided, the mic basically is nonfunctional and these people universally have cheap ones my hearing issues are even worse with. This is in the office.) Thankfully it's rare, the only one who does it regularly is the IT guy who just wants us all to gently caress off and never notify him of anything, including database problems that will shut the entire company down in terms of processing anything until they're resolved or software-breaking issues on the software he's made sure he's the only one with the documentation and access for. Who also refuses to use the same platforms for chat and whatnot as everyone else and doesn't even receive the ticket feed. Love these folks. Please just use a written method. Email, slack, whatever. Hard copy of everything said, no ambiguity or mishearing. Doesn't require people chained to their phones and stopped from working or anything. It just works. Ted talk over.
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ITT people who remember programming VCRs have the temerity to call anyone old.
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Volmarias posted:To be fair, it's not just boomer brain. Space Kablooey posted:This is a really good article. Agreed. I was totally all over level 3 but this : “You want to know what percentage of the emails sent by John Smith last month were about sustainability.” Uh. I mean, I could schedule the meeting room with date / time / subject, etc. But wtf. Who wants a percentage of emails sent by a person about a subject.
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Volmarias posted:Or the most complicated, intricate, and enigmatic of tasks: programming the time on the VCR, that it might show something other than a flashing 12:00 I can't even get my housemates to reset the clock on the microwave whenever they screw it up E: I think I've finally managed to get them to stop unplugging appliances in the kitchen unnecessarily which should bypass that problem. One time one of them couldn't find a spare outlet so she unplugged the fridge and didn't plug it back in afterwards. 
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blight rhino posted:Agreed. I was totally all over level 3 but this : “You want to know what percentage of the emails sent by John Smith last month were about sustainability.” I can find a way to do that, but I want to know what tools I'm allowed to use before I think too hard about it.
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ultrafilter posted:I can find a way to do that, but I want to know what tools I'm allowed to use before I think too hard about it. true, i'm sure I *could* figure it out. That's what google is for.
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Snowglobe of Doom posted:There's also a fairly common mentality that technology that existed when you were a kid has just always been there and is 'normal', tech that came out when you were aged in your teens/20s was exciting and new and fun and a gateway to opening up new potential, but once you hit middleage most of the new tech is newfangled and complicated and just plain unnecessary because the old way of doing things was still perfectly fine dadgummit!! I feel like this is a common saying but I’ve never seen anything proving that it’s true. Besides, there is tons of “new tech” out there that is blatantly anti-consumer, a massive security risk or just doesn’t deliver on the hype. What’s the difference between likening wired headphones because they don’t contain irreplaceable batteries and refusing/being unable to learn new things?
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blight rhino posted:true, i'm sure I *could* figure it out. That's what google is for. from:smith to:me Sustainability newer_than:1m ------- from:smith to:me newer_than:1m 
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blight rhino posted:But wtf. Who wants a percentage of emails sent by a person about a subject. Maybe John is peddling his sustainability NGO using the work email again and this time around he royally pissed off the boss
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blight rhino posted:. We're building the case for sacking John
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Snowglobe of Doom posted:There's also a fairly common mentality that technology that existed when you were a kid has just always been there and is 'normal', tech that came out when you were aged in your teens/20s was exciting and new and fun and a gateway to opening up new potential, but once you hit middleage most of the new tech is newfangled and complicated and just plain unnecessary because the old way of doing things was still perfectly fine dadgummit!! It's a funny saying but I'm pretty sure it isn't true. Anyone who works with kids knows how bad they are at using computers, and as for the "old" guys in the office, it's the year 2021, if you're say 50 then the PC should be right in your wheelhouse.
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I think if you came up through Win 98 - Windows 7 as your primary OS, it was easier to be forced to fix or tweak things. In my professional experience, I watched Windows Update repairs go down to basically nil after Windows 10 hit its stride. Most applications just work, same with games. The issue of "it just works" is that there's never those situations where you're forced to fix what's broken. To clarify, this is about having a better understanding of functionality of an OS or how it interacts, etc. When it comes to the "how to use Excel" type stuff, it's really weird to me that people who have used a tool for 20+ years of their professional career and can't get started with it. But hey, job security on my end!
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