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suck my woke dick posted:Another example of why the legal system is broken unless you can afford the same size legal department as your opponent. And ironically we'd never have gotten this important decision if Google had bothered to pay Sun. gdi, post not edit
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I've heard of this case in recent news and stuff, but there's one thing I'm not quite clear on. Did Google only reimplement the Java API? Articles I've read seem to imply they also copied framework code as part of the reimplementation process, which would've definitely been a gross violation of copyright that they'd only get away with because they can afford the legal costs.
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Apr 6, 2021 18:09
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Kyte posted:I've heard of this case in recent news and stuff, but there's one thing I'm not quite clear on. No, they didn't copy any code. It was a cleanroom reimplementation based on the Java framework. Also, Oracle is a huge (and terrible) company of mostly lawyers, not exactly the type of company that couldn't afford a prolonged legal battle.
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Apr 6, 2021 18:12
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Fame Douglas posted:No, they didn't copy any code. It was a cleanroom reimplementation based on the Java framework. Early on, Oracle claimed Google had copied some actual code, but the article I could find is from 2010. quote:Late last month, as part of its ongoing lawsuit over the use of Java in Android, Oracle waved six pages of Android code at a federal court (see below), claiming they were "directly copied" from copyrighted Oracle code. But, on Wednesday, Google responded with a court filing of its own, and among so many other things, Mountain View said that in submitting the code, Oracle "redacted or deleted...both expressive material and copyright headers." Google called these omissions "significant elements and features." Screencaps of the methods in question are in the article.
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Apr 6, 2021 18:27
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Arsenic Lupin posted:In this Year of Our Cerf 51, Facebook is still interviewing on "culture fit". All institutions degenerate into a self perpetuating priesthood in the absence of external constraints.
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I CANNOT EJACULATE WITHOUT SEEING NATIVE AMERICANS BRUTALISED!
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Arsenic Lupin posted:In this Year of Our Cerf 51, Facebook is still interviewing on "culture fit". Ticket is closed. Process is working as intended.
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Apr 6, 2021 20:29
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In the meeting, a White manager played a Drake song in the background whose chorus repeats the phrase “Where the [n-word]s be at?," five times, according to videos of the incident reviewed by The Washington Post.
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Apr 6, 2021 20:45
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Kyte posted:I've heard of this case in recent news and stuff, but there's one thing I'm not quite clear on. The description of the facts settled on in the supreme court and appellate court opinions says only declarations copied, no implementations, and only declarations from these packages: java.awt.font, java.beans, java.io, java.lang, java.lang.annotation, java.lang.ref, java.lang.reflect, java.net, java.nio, java.nio.channels, java.nio.channels.spi, java.nio.charset, java.nio.charset.spi, java.security, java.security.acl, java.security.cert, java.security.interfaces, java.security.spec, java.sql, java.text, java.util, java.util.jar, java.util.logging, java.util.prefs, java.util.regex, java.util.zip, javax.crypto, javax.crypto.interfaces, javax.crypto.spec, javax.net, javax.net.ssl, , javax.security.auth, javax.security.auth.callback, javax.security.auth.login, javax.security.auth.x500, javax.security.cert, javax.sql
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Apr 6, 2021 21:00
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OctaMurk posted:In the meeting, a White manager played a Drake song in the background whose chorus repeats the phrase “Where the [n-word]s be at?," five times, according to videos of the incident reviewed by The Washington Post. You gotta include the context - this isn't just a "trying to make the interns think we're a fun place to work and made some real poor music choices" situation. It was much, much worse than that. quote:Eight months later, in August 2020, Lindsey [a Black recruiter] attended a virtual meeting to discuss the company’s goal of hiring more Black engineers. In the meeting, a White manager played a Drake song in the background whose chorus repeats the phrase “Where the [n-word]s be at?," five times,
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Apr 6, 2021 21:33
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Space Gopher posted:You gotta include the context - this isn't just a "trying to make the interns think we're a fun place to work and made some real poor music choices" situation. It was much, much worse than that. I thought it was awful as gently caress without any context tbh
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Apr 6, 2021 21:48
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Arsenic Lupin posted:And ironically we'd never have gotten this important decision if Google had bothered to pay Sun. Yeah, to pile on to the people above, the original judge actually bothered to learn programming well enough to confirm that the optional conclusion was going to be the most obvious conclusion in most cases, so it isn't reasonable to assume copying. Sun was, AIUI, actually pretty chill about the whole situation (perhaps to their detriment). The legal issues only started once Oracle bought them.
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Apr 7, 2021 01:52
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Except the ruling was that copying that amount of code is fair use (stupid) instead of being an implementation of a common interface (like had been ruled for accounting books for instance) This is a dumb precedent that might pan out in funny ways.
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Apr 7, 2021 02:00
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Ruling is assuming without deciding that an API is copyrightable. Hypothetically supposing that it is, those six justices agree Google's copying is covered under fair use. The way Breyer's opinion is written, it's pretty clear that he personally doesn't think it's copyrightable at all, but probably they couldn't get a consensus on that and parts got excised. It's one of the legit things Thomas's dissent throws some shade at, calling out the majority for accepting the copyrightability question, but then punting on actually answering it.
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Apr 7, 2021 02:07
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Billy Gnosis posted:Except the ruling was that copying that amount of code is fair use (stupid) instead of being an implementation of a common interface (like had been ruled for accounting books for instance) No. The ruling says that even assuming the least charitable facts to Google’s case, in which copyright did apply, it would still be fair use.
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Apr 7, 2021 02:21
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Platystemon posted:No. Isn't that kinda huge for, say, emulators or knockoff consoles or such?
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Apr 7, 2021 02:23
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Did someone say disrupt. https://mouseinfo.com/2021/04/is-the-on-demand-streaming-future-going-to-be-pay-per-viewer-the-folks-at-venue-sure-hope-so/
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Apr 7, 2021 02:25
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Kyte posted:Isn't that kinda huge for, say, emulators or knockoff consoles or such? It clarifies the status quo. A ruling in Oracle’s favour would have been a monumental upheaval.
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Apr 7, 2021 02:27
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Platystemon posted:It clarifies the status quo. To clarify: even though the ruling was not made on the basis of reimplementing an API, Java having a public API in the first case really does set this in a very different category from Emulators, which have to be built either through reverse-engineering and/or from private SDK headers that were obtained/used in violation of contractual agreements. There's no way an emulator developer could realistically use this ruling as a defense. However, if Oracle had won, the bar would have been set so low that any case against emulators would be a slam dunk almost from the get-go.
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Apr 7, 2021 02:37
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Alright, thanks for clarifying.
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Apr 7, 2021 02:55
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sbaldrick posted:Did someone say disrupt. So, I pay $50 for the right to be charged double if a dog sits on my lap or I take a piss during an Ad break? Sign me up!
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Apr 7, 2021 03:29
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sbaldrick posted:Did someone say disrupt. This is the DIVX disc of the 2020's.
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Apr 7, 2021 08:12
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More and more why my entertainment consists of stuff like chopping firewood, woodworking, blacksmithing and picking berries in the forest. 10 years ago I mostly played games and watched movies and shows. Like I said earlier, IT and capitalism is turning me off technology and turning me into a luddite. This modern world has less and less interest for me, I just keep looking backwards for stuff that keeps me motivated enough to keep getting out of bed every day.
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OctaMurk posted:I thought it was awful as gently caress without any context tbh Theres nothing inherently wrong with a white guy listening to drake, so yeah id say the context is what makes it bad
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Apr 7, 2021 12:54
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Tnega posted:So, I pay $50 for the right to be charged double if a dog sits on my lap or I take a piss during an Ad break? Sign me up! What's actually gonna happen is that my girlfriend is going to get a show paused constantly every time I walk by the couch to go to the kitchen.
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Apr 7, 2021 16:07
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sbaldrick posted:Did someone say disrupt. I'll take "VC piggy banks to golden parachute out of before the rent comes due" for $500, Alex.
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Apr 7, 2021 19:37
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sbaldrick posted:Did someone say disrupt. quote:Without knowing any details so far, the platform promises “the highest level of protection and privacy for members”
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Apr 8, 2021 06:16
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the highest level of privacy and protection* *that which is possible to achieve whilst also having a video camera in your god drat living room
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Apr 8, 2021 07:32
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https://twitter.com/beesmygod_/status/1379940286927937540?s=21 https://twitter.com/dril/status/841892608788041732?s=21
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Apr 8, 2021 17:03
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"Empowering gamers" to not learn to talk like someone that respects other members of the human race. https://twitter.com/Strange_Sunset/status/1379954282703638532?s=20
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Apr 8, 2021 17:09
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"Hmm, let's see, do I want my n-word filter on or off today? Good thing there's a convenient toggle here so when I'm in the mood to hear the n-word, nothing gets in my way!"
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Apr 8, 2021 17:19
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Doctor Nutt posted:"Hmm, let's see, do I want my n-word filter on or off today? Good thing there's a convenient toggle here so when I'm in the mood to hear the n-word, nothing gets in my way!" What if you listening to drake asking where the n-words be at tho
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Apr 8, 2021 17:29
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Reminder that the filter isn't bleeping others, it's bleeping you, the streamer, before you can have an "accidental gamer moment".
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Apr 8, 2021 17:43
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If you turn N-word filtering on but tell it to allow all racism, does the system just implode in on itself?
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Apr 8, 2021 17:44
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Mister Facetious posted:Reminder that the filter isn't bleeping others, it's bleeping you, the streamer, before you can have an "accidental gamer moment". Lmao, holy poo poo I did not realize that
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Apr 8, 2021 17:46
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Mister Facetious posted:Reminder that the filter isn't bleeping others, it's bleeping you, the streamer, before you can have an "accidental gamer moment". Oh my god I just assumed it was the other way around. Jesus christ.
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Apr 8, 2021 17:48
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Mister Facetious posted:Reminder that the filter isn't bleeping others, it's bleeping you, the streamer, before you can have an "accidental gamer moment". Unfortunately this isn’t true, in the presentation they talk about it muting incoming audio.
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Apr 8, 2021 17:57
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No items, max misogyny, fox only, N-word off, final destination.
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Apr 8, 2021 17:57
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They should make it autoban any user who even tries to turn on their racism or misogamy filters. edit: Unless the filter is for incoming audio, in which case autoban anyone who triggers it regardless of settings. withak fucked around with this message at 18:18 on Apr 8, 2021 |
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Apr 8, 2021 18:00
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aware of dog posted:Unfortunately this isn’t true, in the presentation they talk about it muting incoming audio. my bad, the timestamp I was shown had scrolled past the "mute others" part of the text. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=97Qhj299zRM&t=1810s
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Gamers can have a little xenophobia as a treat.
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