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was konishiki a good sumo wrestler? i thought i heard that he could have been yokozuna but sumo assosiation was just even more racist back then and refused to promote him
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May 20, 2021 03:28
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if grabbing the hair did absolutely nothing to affect the outcome of the match it ceases to be a foul and transforms into an insignificant event in a violent fight. the ruling makes no sense from a competitive perspective, and while i'm sure there's a few hundred goons who would pay to watch rules being rigidly enforced at all times it's not the sport normal people pay to watch.
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May 20, 2021 03:30
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Khizan posted:I think the big thing is that another few years of Asashoryu may have lowered his career numbers some. This also applies to Haramafuji, who has beaten Hakuho more times than any other rikishi. hakuho had both of their numbers pretty explicitly by the time they retired. it would definitely have affected his numbers but nowhere near enough to affect his legacy. in fact it would probably have only strengthened his legacy to make the other yokozuna look like he was on another level to them.
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May 20, 2021 03:32
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The recent Tochinoshin / Abi hansuoku was ridiculous, and if I recall correctly he executed the dirtiest henka ever in the next tournament to get his 8th win. I may be embellishing the exact circumstances but I do recall that that henka made me acknowledge that sometimes a henka is right, and just.
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May 20, 2021 03:44
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You remember correctly. Tochinoshin pulled an incredibly blatant henka on Kakuryu, securing his rank, and also deciding the yusho for Asanoyama, when instead we would have headed into a contested weekend. He essentially ruined the last two days of the basho with a henka, and I laughed out loud when I saw it. It's one of the best henkas of all time.
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May 20, 2021 03:49
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KungFu Grip posted:was konishiki a good sumo wrestler? i thought i heard that he could have been yokozuna but sumo assosiation was just even more racist back then and refused to promote him I'd heard they were worried about Yokozuna dignity cos he was such a (for want of a better word) fat dude. But looking at his record, he had a good run to his ozeki promotion, a bunch of indifferent years, then another good run after Chiyonofuji and Asahifuji retired, but before Akebono and Takanohana stepped up. His two yushos in this period were none consecutive, so looking back, it doesn't seem like it would have been worth a promotion, but the promotion criteria were different then. If anyone hasn't seen it, someone on sumoforum crunched the numbers to figure out relative performance of wrestlers from different eras - if you search through my posting history, you'll find the link. Basically, wrestlers are getting better and competition stronger. And Hak definitely the GOAT and Hamfu and Kaks much stronger than their records indicate.
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May 20, 2021 04:13
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the other thing about asanoyama's indiscretion that might count against him is that they were right in the middle of trying to frame foreign rikishi as violent animals who lead crowds in chants of 'banzai' and other such unacceptable practices. now, they'll still absolutely follow that line of idiocy, but they'll look stupider doing it which they're going to have to take out on asanoyama.
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May 20, 2021 04:18
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Kenning posted:You remember correctly. Tochinoshin pulled an incredibly blatant henka on Kakuryu, securing his rank, and also deciding the yusho for Asanoyama, when instead we would have headed into a contested weekend. He essentially ruined the last two days of the basho with a henka, and I laughed out loud when I saw it. It's one of the best henkas of all time. Oh man. This is the first I've heard about that, so I had to go back to watch it and my god is that a magnificent henka.
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May 20, 2021 04:23
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GoatSeeGuy posted:Either way he's weak, even Ryuden is tougher to convince to pull out. 
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May 20, 2021 04:24
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Kenning posted:Hot drat, shots fired. I like his classic build and migi-yotsu style, but I understand finding him less than scintillating. He's certainly no Terunofuji. he is/was easily my favorite of the current crop of ozeki until terunofuji's promotion. struck me as the one guy who had a chance to really ramp it up to yokozuna level
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May 20, 2021 04:47
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Khizan posted:Oh man. This is the first I've heard about that, so I had to go back to watch it and my god is that a magnificent henka. For anyone else (like me!) who hadn't seen it before: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=20sEuxaiLT4 Glorious. 
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May 20, 2021 06:20
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whats for dinner posted:For anyone else (like me!) who hadn't seen it before: hahaha the way he baited him into aggression by staring him down at the faceoff and refusing to put a fist down first was masterful. beautiful henka.
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May 20, 2021 06:24
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top knot pulling has lead to people saying why the top knot pulling is disallowed as it would cause too much wild hair and instead its lead me to conclude sumo would be a billion times better without top knots https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gNvei5se0sQ 
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May 20, 2021 06:24
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Lid posted:top knot pulling has lead to people saying why the top knot pulling is disallowed as it would cause too much wild hair and instead its lead me to conclude sumo would be a billion times better without top knots looks like 2 aging metalheads at a concert who decide to show the young people how to be excited to hear fast music properly
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May 20, 2021 06:27
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Marching Powder posted:looks like 2 aging metalheads at a concert who decide to show the young people how to be excited to hear fast music properly Wanna hear the yobidashi announce rikishi in a death metal scream now
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May 20, 2021 07:12
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T O K U S H O R Y U
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May 20, 2021 08:12
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man i'm happy to see tokushoryu pick up his kk. he won the first basho i ever watched and it was one of the most magical sporting narratives i've witnessed. will be happy to see him back in the top division.
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May 20, 2021 08:13
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also probably reading too much into this but after kaisei thrust tamawashi off the dohyo i noticed kaisei deliberately waiting at the edge to offer his hand back up and i remembered that line from the racism missive about foreigners doing dirty little things like slapping and giving an extra shove off the dohyo to their opponents.
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May 20, 2021 08:24
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c'mon Ichinojo...
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May 20, 2021 09:48
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gently caress asanoyama simply because he's the judges' favorite child. The judges deserve having their little messiah dumpstered into irrelevance for that terunofuji decision. I like to think it's divine karma. I see I am not the only one who has noticed the hypocrisy of the sumo association's attitudes towards foreigners. Terunofuji is back on track at least, and against a typically difficult opponent too. He made it look easy today.
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May 20, 2021 11:49
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My team was the definition of mediocrity BEFORE Asanoyama torpedoed it. I was just barely above .500!
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May 20, 2021 13:16
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congratulations to takayasu for his dominant performance to ensure his kk. people said he was insane when he called asanoyama on a blocked number and in a weird falsetto claimed that he was a hostess at his favourite hostess club and was very horny and needed a big, successful man to complain about how his sumo isn't up to standard.
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May 20, 2021 13:26
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Marching Powder posted:congratulations to takayasu for his dominant performance to ensure his kk. people said he was insane when he called asanoyama on a blocked number and in a weird falsetto claimed that he was a hostess at his favourite hostess club and was very horny and needed a big, successful man to complain about how his sumo isn't up to standard.  Tochinoshin pulling out the henka just as we were all talking about the one he pulled on Kakuryu was pretty funny
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May 20, 2021 13:33
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Marching Powder posted:congratulations to takayasu for his dominant performance to ensure his kk. people said he was insane when he called asanoyama on a blocked number and in a weird falsetto claimed that he was a hostess at his favourite hostess club and was very horny and needed a big, successful man to complain about how his sumo isn't up to standard. lol
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May 20, 2021 13:34
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Marching Powder posted:also probably reading too much into this but after kaisei thrust tamawashi off the dohyo i noticed kaisei deliberately waiting at the edge to offer his hand back up and i remembered that line from the racism missive about foreigners doing dirty little things like slapping and giving an extra shove off the dohyo to their opponents. Kaisei is probably the nicest rikishi out there and consistently waits to help up his opponent and avoid injuring them.
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May 20, 2021 14:13
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whats for dinner posted:For anyone else (like me!) who hadn't seen it before: NHK needs to bring the sky cam back. Is there any story behind it going away?
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May 20, 2021 15:25
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They're dropping the hammer. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S40daOf4qlk
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May 20, 2021 16:26
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What is that, 4 tournaments?
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May 20, 2021 16:31
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May 20, 2021 16:36
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bessantj posted:They're dropping the hammer. i consider this a slap on the wrist all considered but expected roughly this to be the result.
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May 20, 2021 16:38
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Kadoban Ozeki in July, Sekiwake in September, probably about M10 in November, and then somewhere in Juryo for January of next year.
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May 20, 2021 16:42
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Vargatron posted:What is that, 4 tournaments? It’ll take 3 after this to drop to division 2 if they don’t artificially place him somewhere on the banzuke after his suspension. July: kadoban ozeki September: Sekiwake November: Low M. Abi didn’t get dropped directly to Juryo with a 3-4-8 at M5e as part of his punishment so 0-0-15 from Sekiwake should be similar if not a little higher January: somewhere in Juryo. If they want to restart him in Juryo this should be where he comes back. Another missed tournament would drop him into Makushita
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May 20, 2021 16:48
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genuinely surprised they'd let him wave a tournament's worth of punishment as a kadoban ozeki instead of just stripping him of the position and just letting him freefall.
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May 20, 2021 16:54
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What actually is the hairpull rule? From this thread I feel I've read both that it requires the hairpull to impact the result and that it doesn't matter if it impacts the result.
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May 20, 2021 17:18
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Marching Powder posted:genuinely surprised they'd let him wave a tournament's worth of punishment as a kadoban ozeki instead of just stripping him of the position and just letting him freefall. It’s Sumo, I’m assuming there are Rules that they can’t mess around with without changing the whole system.
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May 20, 2021 17:30
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Sub Rosa posted:What actually is the hairpull rule? From this thread I feel I've read both that it requires the hairpull to impact the result and that it doesn't matter if it impacts the result.
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May 20, 2021 17:31
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I think Tokushoryu is the cutest rikishi.
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May 20, 2021 17:43
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Marching Powder posted:also probably reading too much into this but after kaisei thrust tamawashi off the dohyo i noticed kaisei deliberately waiting at the edge to offer his hand back up and i remembered that line from the racism missive about foreigners doing dirty little things like slapping and giving an extra shove off the dohyo to their opponents. Vargatron posted:Kaisei is probably the nicest rikishi out there and consistently waits to help up his opponent and avoid injuring them. Yeah, Kaisei is renowned as a huge teddy bear sweetheart. If you pay attention he's always really careful to try and catch guys so they don't fall off the dohyo when he wins by yori-kiri, and he always waits to make sure they're okay after a fall before taking his place for the win. He's 34, so we don't have too many years with him in makuuchi left, and it'll be sad when he retires. Great wrestler, solid dude. Marching Powder posted:congratulations to takayasu for his dominant performance to ensure his kk. people said he was insane when he called asanoyama on a blocked number and in a weird falsetto claimed that he was a hostess at his favourite hostess club and was very horny and needed a big, successful man to complain about how his sumo isn't up to standard. loving lol hahahah. bessantj posted:They're dropping the hammer. This is about what I was expecting. Bruce at Tachiai blog said he expected an intai announcement, but that seemed too much to me. Alright, we're pulling into the final weekend, and there are some big shakeups in the arasoi, in part because of Asanoyama, and in part because we're finally starting to see the kachi- and make-koshi come in in a serious way. Day 12 standings code:
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May 20, 2021 17:51
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Marching Powder posted:congratulations to takayasu for his dominant performance to ensure his kk. people said he was insane when he called asanoyama on a blocked number and in a weird falsetto claimed that he was a hostess at his favourite hostess club and was very horny and needed a big, successful man to complain about how his sumo isn't up to standard. 
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May 20, 2021 18:00
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ok i was right that it would be an abi style punishment, didn't think they'd force a retirement on him. shodai's looking safer which is good given circumstances. could see takayasu getting back to ozeki before asanoyama can climb back up given his recent performances
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May 20, 2021 18:47
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