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Wow that’s dire. So I guess the best way to experience the series is to just read the manga then.
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they also routinely swing the camera around awkwardly and I hope the people running that poo poo feel even more shame right now about loving it all up and are never allowed near any project again IIRC, the studio battled alllllll the way to the last loving minute on what sort of visual style to go for - primarily CG, animated, both, the level of detail, etc. - so the entire thing had to be rushed I mean the original teaser they put out actually looked pretty good and appeared to be aping the Studio 4C approach to the movies with 2D faces on 3D models which worked well once they got the hang of it, but then when the actual scene rolled around, yikes 
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Larryb posted:Wow that’s dire. So I guess the best way to experience the series is to just read the manga then. I would read up until the golden age arc and then watch the 90's anime.
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the 90s anime is incredibly well-done and a good example of doing a lot on a limited budget imo, but just be aware there are some things cut for the sake of the show's focus (e.g. the Skullknight who is massively important, characters like Silat)
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May 21, 2021 17:52
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Hunt11 posted:I would read up until the golden age arc and then watch the 90's anime. What chapters do the 90’s anime/movies cover and does it leave out/change anything significant from the manga version of said arc?
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The idea that the adaptations can substitute for the manga is ridiculous. They may be experienced in addition to the original, but read the manga first.
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Larryb posted:What chapters do the 90’s anime/movies cover and does it leave out/change anything significant from the manga version of said arc? I covers up to about chapter 100 but as I said you want to start reading the manga first until it gets to the very obvious time skip. From that point it is very accurate up towards the end where a couple characters get cut but you can always just go back to read it after you have reached the end.
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If you like listening to music while reading manga I can wholeheartedly recommend the Susumu Hirasawa OST to the 1997 anime. I always played that when I read a new Berserk chapter. :'( Also I just realized Miura's inspiration for Berserk, Guin Saga, also had an author who died in their 50s and never completed their magnum opus. Ccs fucked around with this message at 18:03 on May 21, 2021 |
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May 21, 2021 18:00
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The 90's anime is more or less a faithful adaptation of the Golden Age arc, with a couple things cut for time. I'd highly recommend just reading through the manga before watching it since otherwise you will be very confused about the ending.
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Raxivace posted:Really only problem with the 90's anime is that the prologue arc is just gutted. The Golden Age arc itself is done really quite well but you lose some important context from the prologue. If you're reading the manga, read the whole manga.
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Larryb posted:What chapters do the 90’s anime/movies cover and does it leave out/change anything significant from the manga version of said arc? It opens with Snake encounter from the first Volume (chapters 1-8 or 10 maybe), then kinda jumps right into the Golden Age Arc which is Omnibus 2-5. So it skips to my memory the entire slug apostle story (which is p important as a scene setter for what happens at the end of the Golden Age arc with how Behelits operate, and you can see Griffiths slide coming a bit clearer) and some other references to apostles from the eclipse during the black swordsman prologue. It also excises the Skull Knight, who is kinda a big deal. I understand why they did but it leaves the finish to the TV series a little confusing I think because they knew they weren't going to get to do more. The TV series is a really cool self contained story where ruh roh the bad guys won and our hero is in a bad place. The Notorious ZSB fucked around with this message at 19:06 on May 21, 2021 |
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May 21, 2021 18:02
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the only animated Berserk thing I need is that Rickert slap AMV
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Like the best way I could put it is that the 90's anime is the story of a guy that will probably spend the rest of the his life seeking revenge and ruining himself forever in the process. The manga, to me, is the story of a guy that gives up revenge for something far greater.
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I haven't caught up on what will be volume 41 yet, but I don't see how the story could have any kind of satisfying conclusion without at a minimum the tree and Griffith both getting the boot and Guts has (I think?) the only tool in mankind's possession that could do the job. A final confrontation between the two would seem like the only proper way to end the story, they can't just be having the entire D&D monster manual go sicko mode over 99% on the planet forever
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hatty posted:the only animated Berserk thing I need is that Rickert slap AMV This also
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Raxivace posted:Like the best way I could put it is that the 90's anime is the story of a guy that will probably spend the rest of the his life seeking revenge and ruining himself forever in the process. The manga, to me, is the story of a guy that gives up revenge for something far greater. 
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Larryb posted:What’s wrong with the 2016 version exactly? This is one of very few occasions where "what isn't" is a valid answer. It's a sick irony that one of the most beautiful manga of all time has the ugliest adaptation ever.
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May 21, 2021 18:47
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This gif will always crack me up. There's the obvious gently caress up of Guts' design and movement, and then you have Farnese and Casca slowly sliding out of frame for no reason.
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LordMune posted:The idea that the adaptations can substitute for the manga is ridiculous. They may be experienced in addition to the original, but read the manga first.
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lezard_valeth posted:This gif will always crack me up. There's the obvious gently caress up of Guts' design and movement, and then you have Farnese and Casca slowly sliding out of frame for no reason. Its good something memorable came from the show.
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“Mlah mlah! Mlah mlah! Mlah!” *thump thump thump thump thump thump thump thump thump*
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Pollyanna posted:“Mlah mlah! Mlah mlah! Mlah!” gutz is just dragging his feet or walking on his tip toes instead of walkin like a badass
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GreenBuckanneer posted:gutz is just dragging his feet or walking on his tip toes instead of walkin like a badass I always imagined him riding away on an unbalanced washing machine doing its spin cycle.
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May 21, 2021 19:29
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In the blu ray they fixed it so that he's doing a gta strut. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cXs7HQukDXs&t=61s
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May 21, 2021 19:46
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Ccs posted:In the blu ray they fixed it so that he's doing a gta strut. God drat they had the chance to clean it up for a blu ray and some of that looks....WORSE?
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lezard_valeth posted:This gif will always crack me up. There's the obvious gently caress up of Guts' design and movement, and then you have Farnese and Casca slowly sliding out of frame for no reason. 
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The Notorious ZSB posted:God drat they had the chance to clean it up for a blu ray and some of that looks....WORSE? The director and studio are incompetent, to say the least. Anyway the Studio 4c movies sure look great aside from a bit of dodgy CG. The cuts that work reallllly work.
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Was the voice work and music ok at least? And did anyone from the 90’s series return to reprise their role?
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A conversation with a friend. A: Miura’s no longer with us. You should read Berserk. B: Good idea. Isn’t there an anime? I’ll watch the anime first. I’m really busy. A: I’d highly suggest you read it instead. The art is incredible. B: I’m actually quite busy, so no. Dubbed anime. A: If you really don’t have time to read it, just hold off until you do. You’re making a bad choice. B: Dubbed anime. *sigh*
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I don't mind the 1997's dub all that much.
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I quite like the movies and their dub too, personally.
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Larryb posted:Was the voice work and music ok at least? And did anyone from the 90’s series return to reprise their role? Voices are ok. There is some good music out there, specially the openings. The sound effects though...it's as if they wanted to make both a visually and auditive offensive adaptation.
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Nate RFB posted:I don't mind the 1997's dub all that much. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nOjxSEolWmM
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Larryb posted:Was the voice work and music ok at least? And did anyone from the 90’s series return to reprise their role? Voices are all fine. Skull Knight especially sounds suitably cool, Guts sounds great, etc. etc. But the sword noises.... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fxk1syuf5lo It really sucks because the volumes they adapted in 2016 and 2017 are some of my favorite from the whole series. I suffered through both seasons, seeing the occasional shot that didn't look like a total mess, and trying to get the most out of it from the voice work and what what left of the manga's aesthetic.... but no, it's just a terrible adaption. The result of a studio and director both totally unfamiliar with the technology and processes and even basic tenets of cinematography, in over their heads and drowning. Ccs fucked around with this message at 20:50 on May 21, 2021 |
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I got into Berserk because of the anime - it ends on such a singularly apocalyptic note and the only hint you have that Guts even survives is the stuff from the in-media-res first episode. It made me want to read the manga. I generally think it's more satisfying to watch video versions before reading things because you get a big taste of everything that printed versions can then unpack and expand. Going the opposite way almost always leads to a jarring sense of "I didn't think they'd sound like that" or "hey they cut my favourite part out" etc etc. And then when you return to the video later it still has that nostalgia of your first contact with the material. A minority opinion: I don't hate the 2016 series as much as most people. I grew up playing a lot of PS1/2 games and really digging the stories even though they were technically kinda primitive by today's standards so I can sort of watch around the shabby animation without real issues. I find the 90s anime to be just as second-rate actually, in terms of visuals. Tons of episodes are filled with the camera just panning across an illustration while Hirasawa's soundtrack saves it from feeling as cheap as it looks. I still like both though. Also the new anime gave us this over the top final boss poo poo: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lBdnti4_UUg
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1997 is a great example of doing a lot with a little. Animation is rough or even nonexistent but the draftsmanship is consistently top notch and the composition of every shot completely works. Combine that with the stellar voice acting and music and you've got a great show. The epitome of this is the promo trailer. Almost no animation, just character faces with a voice over and an absolutely amazing stinger noise at the end that really drives home the foreboding. Its an absolute masterclass of tone: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7TuqwOOgyoo Ccs fucked around with this message at 20:55 on May 21, 2021 |
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Josuke Higashikata posted:Schnoz is iconic. That he is; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hdEYii0dGxk Popo posted:Since we're sharing other people fanboying over Miura's incredible sense of design I'll throw in this; Yeah that's a good one Kart Barfunkel posted:A conversation with a friend. Tell him he's being a moron These are gold however
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So the 2016 anime is a disaster in most respects then, good to know. Out of curiosity though, how much of the manga does it actually cover and is anything cut or changed like was the case in the 90’s series?
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97 dub has the best outtakes.Ccs posted:The director and studio are incompetent, to say the least. I agree the Golden Age Arc movies were def better, esp by the third one with the Eclipse it was really sorted out.
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Larryb posted:So the 2016 anime is a disaster in most respects then, good to know. Out of curiosity though, how much of the manga does it actually cover and is anything cut or changed like was the case in the 90’s series? I think the third episode changed some stuff, they go to this abandoned mansion and they expanded a bit of plot there for some reason, it doesn't really have any bearing on anything.
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