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Galvanik
Feb 28, 2013

What was the reason Rothfuss gave to justify Kvothe stalking Denna across the continent rather than asking her on a date? It's been so long I can't remember.

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pseudanonymous
Aug 30, 2008

When you make the second entry and the debits and credits balance, and you blow them to hell.

Galvanik posted:

What was the reason Rothfuss gave to justify Kvothe stalking Denna across the continent rather than asking her on a date? It's been so long I can't remember.

He truly loved her, in the way where she eternally friendzones him, but he lusts after her and engages in creepy internal monologues about it. If he just hosed her then she wouldn't be perfect or something. Also, no judgement, but as far as I can tell she's a prostitute so when she wanted him to pay after that'd probably ruin her for him.

Evil Fluffy
Jul 13, 2009

Scholars are some of the most pompous and pedantic people I've ever had the joy of meeting.

TV Zombie posted:

What was slow regard about, that he would feel the need to write that?

It was such trash that even Rothfuss couldn’t deny it so he made that “if you don’t like it the proble is you” :smuggo: commentary to preemptively defend the trash. Of course his fans buy it fully.

pentyne
Nov 7, 2012

pseudanonymous posted:

There was this hot girl in High school who wouldn't gently caress him, and he saw her in a porn video, and he's upset about it.

It's not that she wouldn't, its that she's no longer that cool shy geek girl who wears overalls and talks about nerdy things like video games.

She got fit and tanned, wears sexy clothes, and that's changed her irrevocably and killed that geek girl.

ulmont
Sep 15, 2010

IF I EVER MISS VOTING IN AN ELECTION (EVEN AMERICAN IDOL) ,OR HAVE UNPAID PARKING TICKETS, PLEASE TAKE AWAY MY FRANCHISE

Evil Fluffy posted:

It was such trash that even Rothfuss couldn’t deny it so he made that “if you don’t like it the proble is you” :smuggo: commentary to preemptively defend the trash. Of course his fans buy it fully.

The amazing part is that Penny Arcade was there about a decade earlier.


https://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2004/03/24/the-adventures-of-twisp-and-catsby

Evil Fluffy
Jul 13, 2009

Scholars are some of the most pompous and pedantic people I've ever had the joy of meeting.

pentyne posted:

It's not that she wouldn't, its that she's no longer that cool shy geek girl who wears overalls and talks about nerdy things like video games.

She got fit and tanned, wears sexy clothes, and that's changed her irrevocably and killed that geek girl.

It's amazing how neither he nor his fans seem to grasp how much that story says about him and how absolutely none of it is good. He just unprompted makes it clear to the world that he holds garbage beliefs like women who are fit and sexy can't be geeks. He truly is as much a feminist as his idol Joss Whedon.


I wonder how he feels about guys like Vin Diesel and Henry Cavill being massive gamer nerds or if he's also petty enough to think they're fine because it's ok for attractive guys to be nerds.

Ornamented Death
Jan 25, 2006

Pew pew!

ulmont posted:

The amazing part is that Penny Arcade was there about a decade earlier.


https://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2004/03/24/the-adventures-of-twisp-and-catsby

The comic itself was aping Kevin Smith having the classic "you can't criticize my art, you're not a writer/director" meltdown.

Tree Dude
May 26, 2012

AND MY SONG IS...
Penny Arcade is where I first heard about Rothfuss. It must have been this blog post from March 2010

quote:

The Name Of The Wind

Tycho told me to read a book the other day and I told him to tear out all of the pages and shove each one individually up his butt-hole. He didn’t do that. Instead he opened the book to chapter near the beginning and told me to read just that chapter, only about four pages. I flipped the book over and read the back.

“THE NAME OF THE WIND won’t just impress longtime fantasy fans; it will absolutely blow them away—an unprecedented, utterly breathtaking storytelling tour de force.”

I kept reading things like the greatest story told in either books or film in the last ten years and rolled my eyes. Tycho turned it back over and handed to me. “just read this one chapter.” he said.  I read the chapter and then immediately purchased the book on my kindle.

If this Patrick Rothfuss guy could do that in four pages I had no choice but to read the rest. I am only about halfway through it now but that’s because I am trying to pace myself. I don’t want to finish it because then I will have to leave this incredible world he has build and who knows when I’ll get to come back.

It turns out that Patrick is a huge PA fan. In fact he posts in our forums which I guess makes him a bigger PA fan that me. He sent us a free copy of his latest book which sadly is not part two of the Kingkiller Chronicle. This book is actually called The Princess and Mr. Whiffle and it has nothing to do with killing kings or the chronicles such a deed might spawn. This is actually a creepy/funny story in the style of a children’s book. It turns out that Patrick Rothfuss is a good writer no matter what he’s doing. It’s a quick little read but funny and I recommend you pick it up along with his fantasy epic The Name of The Wind.
-Gabe out


For the record gently caress penny arcade. They suck for lots of reasons.

mp5
Jan 1, 2005

Stroke of luck!

imagine spawning a chronicle after killing the king, what a wild idea

pentyne
Nov 7, 2012

Evil Fluffy posted:

It's amazing how neither he nor his fans seem to grasp how much that story says about him and how absolutely none of it is good. He just unprompted makes it clear to the world that he holds garbage beliefs like women who are fit and sexy can't be geeks. He truly is as much a feminist as his idol Joss Whedon.


I wonder how he feels about guys like Vin Diesel and Henry Cavill being massive gamer nerds or if he's also petty enough to think they're fine because it's ok for attractive guys to be nerds.

quote:

This girl has nothing in common with your high-school crush except for her social security number. Everything you loved about her is gone.

We loved the sweet, shy, freckly girl. We still remember her name,

They're literally the same loving person. But oh well, she is sexual and confidant now, throw her in the garbage.

Antivehicular
Dec 30, 2011


I wanna sing one for the cars
That are right now headed silent down the highway
And it's dark and there is nobody driving And something has got to give

He remembered her name, guys! The truest act of devotion! He may not have remembered a single other thing about her other than the ones that gave him a boner, but he remembered her name!!

Nice piece of fish
Jan 29, 2008

Ultra Carp
Names are a big deal.

Which is why he named his first book :fart:

Sham bam bamina!
Nov 6, 2012

ƨtupid cat

Evil Fluffy
Jul 13, 2009

Scholars are some of the most pompous and pedantic people I've ever had the joy of meeting.

Tree Dude posted:

Penny Arcade is where I first heard about Rothfuss. It must have been this blog post from March 2010
For the record gently caress penny arcade. They suck for lots of reasons.

Rothfuss probably owns multiple Dickwolves shirts.

Come And See
Sep 15, 2008

We're all awash in a sea of blood, and the least we can do is wave to each other.






Reminder:

pentyne
Nov 7, 2012
I wish I had more information about Rothfuss getting turned down when he tried to hop on to several KS projects.

I swear I saw something where on multiple occasions he made public tweets or posts at people saying how he'd be happy to help write something and they just kind of dismissed him offhand.

That Rick and Morty comic is like a case study in why Rick and Morty fans like him are toxic morons who completely misunderstand the show (what little there is) and how he seems chronically incapable of not making everything into a sex-weird trope.

Kchama
Jul 25, 2007
It's astonishing how little he has to say about The Adventure Zone itself, whatever it is, beyond it having good, good boys who have adventures and the rest of it is about how it all related to him.

Sham bam bamina!
Nov 6, 2012

ƨtupid cat
I'd let Travis explore my adventure zone...

TheIncredulousHulk
Sep 3, 2012

Is it supposed to be a funny joke that Rick hates bards and Pat Rothfuss became rich writing very obviously about his own D&D bard

Fuzzy Mammal
Aug 15, 2001

Lipstick Apathy
Artisinal auditory delectation lol. Just gently caress right off forever, please.

ulmont
Sep 15, 2010

IF I EVER MISS VOTING IN AN ELECTION (EVEN AMERICAN IDOL) ,OR HAVE UNPAID PARKING TICKETS, PLEASE TAKE AWAY MY FRANCHISE

Ornamented Death posted:

The comic itself was aping Kevin Smith having the classic "you can't criticize my art, you're not a writer/director" meltdown.

Yes, I know, I read the corresponding news post in 2004. It applies even more so to the “meltdown ahead of the criticism” afterword of Rothfuss in that “work.”

Come And See
Sep 15, 2008

We're all awash in a sea of blood, and the least we can do is wave to each other.


Considering that this thread will be starved for content until the heat-death of the universe, someone should do a Let's Read of that comic.

Ccs
Feb 25, 2011


Come And See posted:

Considering that this thread will be starved for content until the heat-death of the universe, someone should do a Let's Read of that comic.

I tried to read it and couldn’t get past page 5. It does not understand the humor pace of the show at all.

StonecutterJoe
Mar 29, 2016
I'm not clear on why a dude who can literally travel to any imaginable parallel world and have any IRL experience he wants would be a massive D&D fan, but I also realize that's the absolute least-wrong thing about this shitshow.

Evil Fluffy
Jul 13, 2009

Scholars are some of the most pompous and pedantic people I've ever had the joy of meeting.

StonecutterJoe posted:

I'm not clear on why a dude who can literally travel to any imaginable parallel world and have any IRL experience he wants would be a massive D&D fan, but I also realize that's the absolute least-wrong thing about this shitshow.

He also created a literal fantasy world decades before the show started so it's not like he couldn't have made his own fantasy land if he got bored looking for the right alternate reality.


Rothfuss almost certainly thinks Rick is the hero of the show too (though he'd hardly be the only one) but at least the last season's ending got about as blunt as possible in making it clear to people that Rick is a giant mess and a terrible person.

Democratic Pirate
Feb 17, 2010

At this point in the process, who would cause more pain if they were Rothfuss’ seat mate on an airplane?
-someone who read the books a few years back but wasn’t impressed and can’t recall anything more than vague details
-a mega fan who wants to guess plot lines for book 3

Dienes
Nov 4, 2009

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College Slice

Democratic Pirate posted:

At this point in the process, who would cause more pain if they were Rothfuss’ seat mate on an airplane?
-someone who read the books a few years back but wasn’t impressed and can’t recall anything more than vague details
-a mega fan who wants to guess plot lines for book 3

Someone who hasn't heard of him.

Patware
Jan 3, 2005

someone who hasn't heard of him but is wearing a hamilton shirt and my brother my brother and me pins

PJOmega
May 5, 2009

Democratic Pirate posted:

At this point in the process, who would cause more pain if they were Rothfuss’ seat mate on an airplane?
-someone who read the books a few years back but wasn’t impressed and can’t recall anything more than vague details
-a mega fan who wants to guess plot lines for book 3

The former. The latter he would be able to smile enigmatically and they would respect him when he asked them to take a break so he can conserve his energies.

pentyne
Nov 7, 2012

Evil Fluffy posted:

Rothfuss almost certainly thinks Rick is the hero of the show too (though he'd hardly be the only one) but at least the last season's ending got about as blunt as possible in making it clear to people that Rick is a giant mess and a terrible person.

I can't imagine it got through to the pickle rick bros, given that the 3 seasons of content I saw Rick has never been anything other then a borderline abusive monster to his family and is causing severe mental harm to his grandson and still had the same beard strokers talk about how much of a amazing badass genius Rick is.

PJOmega posted:

The former. The latter he would be able to smile enigmatically and they would respect him when he asked them to take a break so he can conserve his energies.

Literally his current attitude to the fans

quote:

“The way that I write is largely implicit because if I wanted you to know more, I would’ve written it in the book. What I want you to do is wonder. And I have left treasure in there for people who want to wonder...and then wander...and then delve and theorize and bicker. I wrote this book not to be read the first time—that’s almost a byproduct. I wrote the book for people reading it a second time, so they go “oh, I couldn’t understand it, but now...”.

pentyne fucked around with this message at 05:21 on May 31, 2021

Notahippie
Feb 4, 2003

Kids, it's not cool to have Shane MacGowan teeth

Ccs posted:

Vita Nostra is the best and weirdest magic school book I've ever read.

Also I'm reading The Blacktongue Thief right now and it strikes me as somewhat similar to the good parts of Kingkiller except written by someone with a track of record of 5 self contained novels behind them. Character is a recent graduate of a thief guild school and has to go on a quest to pay back his tuition. The penalties for being in arrears to such people are stiff.

Vita Nostra is Good. I also like it in conversation with the other major "magic school" books because of what it suggests about the different authors' cultures.

Harry Potter: A British boy discovers he's the scion of a family of elites, and on that basis he gets admitted to a weird boarding school where he learns the secrets of power.

The Magicians: An American overachiever takes an extremely hard test and on that basis gets admitted to a boarding school of mixed overachievers and rich kids.

Vita Nostra: A Russian girl is accosted by a mysterious figure and told to do increasingly bizarre tasks or he'll murder her family, then is told she's been admitted to a boarding school filled with depressed kids.

Ccs
Feb 25, 2011


Notahippie posted:

Vita Nostra is Good. I also like it in conversation with the other major "magic school" books because of what it suggests about the different authors' cultures.

Harry Potter: A British boy discovers he's the scion of a family of elites, and on that basis he gets admitted to a weird boarding school where he learns the secrets of power.

The Magicians: An American overachiever takes an extremely hard test and on that basis gets admitted to a boarding school of mixed overachievers and rich kids.

Vita Nostra: A Russian girl is accosted by a mysterious figure and told to do increasingly bizarre tasks or he'll murder her family, then is told she's been admitted to a boarding school filled with depressed kids.

Hah that's a good point. I want to read magic school books from as many cultures as possible now to see the comparisons. I come across some Japanese ones like Witch Hat Atelier but they're not set in Japan. And stuff like "The Irregular at Magic High School" is, well... I'm not sure it gives the kind of insight into Japanese culture that anyone from Japan would be comfortable with.

Probably there are magic school books from most cultures but they remain untranslated.

M_Gargantua
Oct 16, 2006

STOMP'N ON INTO THE POWERLINES

Exciting Lemon
technically a magic school bottle episode, if you squint.

Gideon the Ninth: A pair of childhood frenemies get summoned to necro-college to team up and learn the secrets of necro-sainthood, nobody explains poo poo and and your fellow students are likely trying to murder you.

pseudanonymous
Aug 30, 2008

When you make the second entry and the debits and credits balance, and you blow them to hell.

Ccs posted:

Hah that's a good point. I want to read magic school books from as many cultures as possible now to see the comparisons. I come across some Japanese ones like Witch Hat Atelier but they're not set in Japan. And stuff like "The Irregular at Magic High School" is, well... I'm not sure it gives the kind of insight into Japanese culture that anyone from Japan would be comfortable with.

Probably there are magic school books from most cultures but they remain untranslated.

The wheel of time has about 500000 words that are about magic school, though about 100000 of those words are "tugged braid" "smoothed skirt".

Notahippie
Feb 4, 2003

Kids, it's not cool to have Shane MacGowan teeth

Ccs posted:

Hah that's a good point. I want to read magic school books from as many cultures as possible now to see the comparisons. I come across some Japanese ones like Witch Hat Atelier but they're not set in Japan. And stuff like "The Irregular at Magic High School" is, well... I'm not sure it gives the kind of insight into Japanese culture that anyone from Japan would be comfortable with.

Probably there are magic school books from most cultures but they remain untranslated.

I have the same thought! I haven't come across much more but I want to curate a list or something.

Dienes
Nov 4, 2009

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College Slice

Notahippie posted:

I have the same thought! I haven't come across much more but I want to curate a list or something.

This will have to tide you over: https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/WizardingSchool

TheGreatEvilKing
Mar 28, 2016





pentyne posted:

I can't imagine it got through to the pickle rick bros, given that the 3 seasons of content I saw Rick has never been anything other then a borderline abusive monster to his family and is causing severe mental harm to his grandson and still had the same beard strokers talk about how much of a amazing badass genius Rick is.

Really all you need to notice is that Rick has the power of a God and yet he isn't happy, hes a depressed fuckup alcoholic.

That this basic observation goes over the nerds' heads is, well...

Raiad
Feb 1, 2005

Without the law, there wouldn't be lawyers.


Democratic Pirate posted:

At this point in the process, who would cause more pain if they were Rothfuss’ seat mate on an airplane?
-someone who read the books a few years back but wasn’t impressed and can’t recall anything more than vague details
-a mega fan who wants to guess plot lines for book 3

a typical fan who casually mentions that they are looking forward to book three and leaves it at that

pentyne
Nov 7, 2012

TheGreatEvilKing posted:

Really all you need to notice is that Rick has the power of a God and yet he isn't happy, hes a depressed fuckup alcoholic.

That this basic observation goes over the nerds' heads is, well...

I thought the scene where Rick is nearly blackout drunk and tries to commit suicide only to pass out before it takes would've been a big "holy poo poo" realization moment but later that season its the Vindicators and everything is about how Rick always succeeds then parties with his enemies after.

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Evil Fluffy
Jul 13, 2009

Scholars are some of the most pompous and pedantic people I've ever had the joy of meeting.

pentyne posted:

I thought the scene where Rick is nearly blackout drunk and tries to commit suicide only to pass out before it takes would've been a big "holy poo poo" realization moment but later that season its the Vindicators and everything is about how Rick always succeeds then parties with his enemies after.

Was it season 1 or 2 where he turns earth into a bunch of croenberg monstrosities and just jumps to a new world without worrying about his actual family since the reality he went to was basically the same?


Rothfuss thinking Rick is a hero makes sense, he is a whedonite so bad decisions is what he does.

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